Everyone,

as you know we want to make them more durable so they become a part of the strategy and tactics of every battle.

Our proposal is that turrets will go from

Shield 750
Armor 3.015

to

Shield 2.000
Armor 10.000

set well below Supply Depots at 2.500 and 15.000 respectively.

We will normalize the AI radius and Weapon ranges as well, in correlation with player bought Turrets.

Please share your thoughts, in a civilized manner.

And yes, this means that Vehicles will need to manouver and possibly even have teammates hack turrets(teamwork, gasp) before venturing into turret defended areas. And no, we don't hate vehicles, just so that is pre-answered

Thanks!

Everyone,

as you know we want to make them more durable so they become a part of the strategy and tactics of every battle.

Our proposal is that turrets will go from

Shield 750
Armor 3.015

to

Shield 2.000
Armor 10.000

set well below Supply Depots at 2.500 and 15.000 respectively.

We will normalize the AI radius and Weapon ranges as well, in correlation with player bought Turrets.

Please share your thoughts, in a civilized manner.

And yes, this means that Vehicles will need to manouver and possibly even have teammates hack turrets(teamwork, gasp) before venturing into turret defended areas. And no, we don't hate vehicles, just so that is pre-answered

Thanks!

A lttile too much of a buff to HP, if you're also going to also improve the AI. The only way to engage turrets for long periods of time would be at the safest range i.e. with rail tanks popping around corners. I'lll just say ADS flying is going to be very tricky, (every tried killing a supply depot with small turrets?) let alone a turret with 12k HP.

From a vehicle users point of veiw it will probably be best to tackle each installation one at time in pairs or more. It'll be more tricky vs red installations and god help you if a blue installation falls into enemy hands behind your back.

Blueberries never defend installations, which have the most potential vehicle killers, thats why vehicles target them first. I'm more relieved to see a manned turret vs an AI turret because at least the manned one can be made to miss.

"improve the AI"? Please clarify.

If youre going buff them by that much remove the redline turrets, and please fix the redline glitch where your dropship explodes before the timer ends. Ive lost many dropships trying to kill these turrets. Also decrease the range on the missle installation, theres always someone that will sit in it the whole match pegging me but too deep in the redline to kill.

normalizeing is a sin.. i do however think they need some range differances between blaster/rail/missile with a possable range nerf on missiles and slight on rails.. blaster seems fine for now.

but this HP buff is a much needed thing as iv been asking for it since like 1.6 or 1.7 iirc

Remove redline turrets - no

Range is already addressed in the OP, which will also help balance red line turrets, that are actually there to stop redline spawn tank camping, but not snipe dropships across the map.

i have a little problem with this and the words "player bought turrets" can be twisted to suit my purpose here rather well...

we have large turrets and small turrets; many of us have skilled into them, and for a tanker thats great, but gunners have no real reason to atm aside from being better gunners(great when theres a tanker but..................................) but turrets will have more tactical value and battlefields will become less turret-barren if we could purchase, fit, and OMS our own turrets. overall i like the idea of buffing turrets to keep them getting destroyed all the time, but i'd like even more for turrets to be possible to destroy AND ALSO possible to call in. the OMS that follows could be used to make the commander more useful than (step 1: donut logi step 2: OB)

edit: also, both small and large turrets should be available i think, and being able to use squad WP for OMS could reduce the incidence of OB farming. last i checked, nobody really has a problem with shelling out a million isk for a small turret installation(price came from trailer)

hey guy below me... would you have a problem with small turrets being available for OMS and having HP comparable to current turret installations?(i think a small player owned turret would make more sense to get 3 shotted to death than a large one thats supposed to be part of the map)

again, i like the proposed changes, but i think that turrets will best be saved by making players take ownership of and devote some amount of care to turret installations rather than just making stationary npc turrets harder to do away with

"improve the AI"? Please clarify.

I like the changes, provided the turret ranges are normalised (as suggested).

Question: Do we really need the turret AI?
We blame the vehicle users to farm WP, but infantry is guilty as well... Just run up and hack for 50WP, then leave
If we want turrets to be tactical installations, why not make it so a turret have to be manned to be useful for the team.

Remove the AI and make vehicle (turret) skills apply on fixed turrets as well, and I foresee people specialising as "turret operators" after they become more survivable.

I wouldn't say we need to remove it completely but the AI could do with some tweaking.

Reduce it's accuracy
(Prehaps add random dispersion to AI controlled turrets?)

Increase Aggressiveness
(It should attempt to fire at anything with 50m for infantry, 100m for vehicles)

Increase Intelligence
(Rails should prioritise Vehicles over infantry, and Blasters vice versa)

Placing down turrets was something that was thought of and possibly was in development, but it was scraped a long time ago in the early development of Dust.

normalizing means that Installation Turrets have similar range as Large HAV Turrets, and AI radius should be the same as maximum range, not less and not more.

i get that its an old idea, and maybe its a little dusty, but everyone i talk to in game thinks its good and i think ownership would make players care more about turrets. well, thats why i bring it here to see what ppl think

I wouldn't say we need to remove it completely but the AI could do with some tweaking.

Reduce it's accuracy
(Prehaps add random dispersion to AI controlled turrets?)

Increase Aggressiveness
(It should attempt to fire at anything with 50m for infantry, 100m for vehicles)

Increase Intelligence
(Rails should prioritise Vehicles over infantry, and Blasters vice versa)

Gonna make flying a hell of a lot more interesting!
I would however suggest you make an RE variant specifically for destroying the Installations, perhaps a damge bonus when stuck directly to it?

Certain Installations are more benifical in 1 direction than another, I still want to be able to destroy a turret if I believe it to be tactically benifical.

What will this mean for the position of the turrets?

I'm sure we all know how useless most of the redline ones are on some maps (except missile turrets that harass ADS) and how poorly positioned other are on the field. Not to mention the direction the AI choose to look towards are sometimes away from the main action.

I guess my real questions are:

Will useless redline turrets be removed/moved?
Will the AI of turrets face the main action or remain as is?
And would either of those things require more than a hotfix to update?

[quote=Apothecary Za'ki][quote=CCP Rattati]Everyone,

as you know we want to make them more durable so they become a part of the strategy and tactics of every battle.

Our proposal is that turrets will go from

Shield 750
Armor 3.015

to

Shield 2.000
Armor 10.000

set well below Supply Depots at 2.500 and 15.000 respectively.

We will normalize the AI radius and Weapon ranges as well, in correlation with player bought Turrets.

And yes, this means that Vehicles will need to manouver and possibly even have teammates hack turrets(teamwork, gasp) before venturing into turret defended areas. And no, we don't hate vehicles, just so that is pre-answered


normalizing means that Installation Turrets have similar range as Large HAV Turrets, and AI radius should be the same as maximum range, not less and not more.

AS to the RE portion of the discussion...

No one ever throws the damned things! If you want to throw explosives, then use a grenade, mortar, or mass driver!