Turrets are already good in my opinion and they are for free, there is no need to make them more durable, ADS pilots will go mad, tank pilots will not like, infantry will not like because AV will take some time to destroy a turret (and ammo count on AV is already low).
Plus in some maps turrets can destroy supply depots.

Why not use OMS support and drop new turrets after a certain time (2/3 minutes)?

Meanwhile you should set a little WP reward for the distruction like 75 points.

He's talking vehicle turrets

Also, could we make it to where AV Grenades work against Installations?

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You will do what you will with the turrets, no matter what my opinion on the matter; however, I do propose a bonus for the first 3 kills an un-manned turret makes, if any, to the last player to have hacked the turret.

Not sure if this would require a client side update, but I'll suggest anyways.

What if upon clicking on the Installation option on the Deployment Tab, we were shown the overhead map, similar to the Orbital Strike Menu. Then, we'd use the same mechanics as selecting where to place a Warbarge Strike to deploy an Installation.

The Installations, would then appear in the same place as the 80GJ Turrets on the Marketplace.

Y/N?

So now HAV's will become even less effective. How is this in line with their purpose? I can understand taking them out of ambush where the only objective is to deplete clones, but in Skirm/Dom, they are supposed to break deadlocks on objectives. They aren't supposed to be squishy, which is what they have become.

Dropships in contrast, which are supposed to be, pretty much reign over the battlefield, raining down death with impunity. It takes a well coordinated team to take out a dropship, where infantry can solo a tank extremely easily...

A dropship pilot takes a hit and flys away, regenerates, comes in again, rinse and repeat....

A tank takes a hit, tries to leave the area, and gets popped before it can reach any kind of cover.....

I only run a tank every now and then, but I have seen my teams tank get popped within moments of coming into an area, by a single player with a forge, or one with a swarm launcher(which are a joke for dropships)

i have a little problem with this and the words "player bought turrets" can be twisted to suit my purpose here rather well...

we have large turrets and small turrets; many of us have skilled into them, and for a tanker thats great, but gunners have no real reason to atm aside from being better gunners(great when theres a tanker but..................................) but turrets will have more tactical value and battlefields will become less turret-barren if we could purchase, fit, and OMS our own turrets. overall i like the idea of buffing turrets to keep them getting destroyed all the time, but i'd like even more for turrets to be possible to destroy AND ALSO possible to call in. the OMS that follows could be used to make the commander more useful than (step 1: donut logi step 2: OB)

edit: also, both small and large turrets should be available i think, and being able to use squad WP for OMS could reduce the incidence of OB farming. last i checked, nobody really has a problem with shelling out a million isk for a small turret installation(price came from trailer)

hey guy below me... would you have a problem with small turrets being available for OMS and having HP comparable to current turret installations?(i think a small player owned turret would make more sense to get 3 shotted to death than a large one thats supposed to be part of the map)

again, i like the proposed changes, but i think that turrets will best be saved by making players take ownership of and devote some amount of care to turret installations rather than just making stationary npc turrets harder to do away with

i get that its an old idea, and maybe its a little dusty, but everyone i talk to in game thinks its good and i think ownership would make players care more about turrets. well, thats why i bring it here to see what ppl think

I wouldn't say we need to remove it completely but the AI could do with some tweaking.

Reduce it's accuracy
(Prehaps add random dispersion to AI controlled turrets?)

Increase Aggressiveness
(It should attempt to fire at anything with 50m for infantry, 100m for vehicles)

Increase Intelligence
(Rails should prioritise Vehicles over infantry, and Blasters vice versa)

Whereas I have been greatly supportive of the changes made in Alpha and Bravo, this may be one of those times where the only response I can come up with is:

"When you fall out of that tree, and break both of your legs, don't go running to me". But in all seriousness, it seems like such a drastic change considering turrets don't overheat when the AI uses them (they will OUT-DPS a player controlled turret by roughly double because of this) and have infinite tracking (especially rail) when the AI uses them (taking away 'speed tanking' as an effective counter by either tanks or LAVs). Also, due to their soon to be ineffectiveness, we will no longer see the "easy to kill" solo tanks, as these will be mowed down by turrets. These solo tankers will be replaced by either infantry only, or multiple tank columns (which are harder to deal with if you are AV).


The one positive out of this is that the shield to armor ratio remains low, so that someone pinging away at it over time, will make gains slowly, and chew through its armor.

As for not hating vehicles, it feels like you just slapped someone in the face and then respond with "I've got no beef with you".