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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:20:00 -
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This hotfixes have made so many fits completely absurd now. Everyone i've played with so far today have agreed that a respec is needed for all players. One guy i met who uses gallente suits had all his working fits become pretty much useless that the starter gear is better.
CCP please fix this. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
263
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:28:00 -
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Not going to happen, stop asking for it.
If you trained your character right, suit changes affect you for a few weeks at best. If you trained your character wrong, that's your fault. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8885
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:37:00 -
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I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
46
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:This hotfixes have made so many fits completely absurd now. Everyone i've played with so far today have agreed that a respec is needed for all players. One guy i met who uses gallente suits had all his working fits become pretty much useless that the starter gear is better.
CCP please fix this.
Lol. Your friend doesn't know how to set up his suits then. |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4288
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Actually there is no respec needed. You don't see Amarr Scouts asking for it, just Gal heavies and Cal scouts
Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2866
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:43:00 -
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I hate respecs. Gives FOTM chasers more ammo.
I would prefer that if they do it, they have to grind it out.
This is how a minja feels
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:49:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Actually there is no respec needed. You don't see Amarr Scouts asking for it, just Gal heavies and Cal scouts
Well tbf we knew we were specing into a lame suit so it could only get better.
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
251
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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A respec will not happen because CCP is still selling Aurum.
Personally, if I was given a respec I would skill back into the same things.
I have a little over 15 million SP and I have skilled into one suit and three weapons all to proto with cores maxed.
I have already gone through one of my weapons and my suit getting nerfed.
But I like what I run and wouldn't change.
If I get bored and as I gain more SP I am sure I will branch out (if the game persists) but I studied up, focused early on, and I'm happy with it.
Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2858
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear.
They only did it for fotm and that's what killed respecs.. Such a shame with every respec I went back into my assaults but to many people chased fotm and ruined it for everyone.
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Nevyn Tazinas
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:09:00 -
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Will my current suits/guns/modules still exist.
If Yes, then I'll keep using them and learn to adapt.
HTFU |
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Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2341
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:12:00 -
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Kdr matchmaking fixes this.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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RendonaSix
Techs Laboratory
126
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:25:00 -
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I'll never start one but I jump on this bandwagon everytime now.
+1 signed
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1168
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:31:00 -
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N
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People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Tallen Ellecon
2009
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:51:00 -
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This reminds me of the respec discussion megathread minus all the whine.
Blehh..
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:17:00 -
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I always wondered what it was like to be a shield tanker.
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
50
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:41:00 -
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If they gave us a respec now everyone who has a caldari scouts will obviously move to a amarr scout. If this whole game was balanced however and there was no such thing as an fotm, CCP would have given more respecs than just one.
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12087
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:43:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I always wondered what it was like to be a shield tanker.
HERESY!
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5433
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:11:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:This hotfixes have made so many fits completely absurd now. Everyone i've played with so far today have agreed that a respec is needed for all players. One guy i met who uses gallente suits had all his working fits become pretty much useless that the starter gear is better.
CCP please fix this.
ALL respec threads get the KC like of approval.
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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:32:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Not going to happen, stop asking for it.
If you trained your character right, suit changes affect you for a few weeks at best. If you trained your character wrong, that's your fault.
My skills are pretty low, i'm not going to get miracle by a respec personally. For everyone else yes. |
Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
2
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:36:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Kdr matchmaking fixes this.
No it does not. If you're doing quick ambush you have the same people even if they're 36/0 everymatch. |
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XxWarlordxX97
BurgezzE.T.F
4332
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:36:00 -
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Please
I'm a Elite heavy
"I don't rage.I get even"
Someone fight me
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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
2
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:37:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear.
Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
230
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:39:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I always wondered what it was like to be a shield tanker.
Self Sufficient with little downtime, drawback is in a 1v1 you will die first with lower ehp unless the armor tanker is a bad shot. Basically you are amazing at killing infantry back to back until an armor tank bear with a daisy chain logi shows up. Then you kill the logi and die to the bear.
Regards,
-A Shield tanker. |
Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
2
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:40:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I hate respecs. Gives FOTM chasers more ammo.
I would prefer that if they do it, they have to grind it out.
FOTM players are the downfall of any game, worse in this game which some suits and setup are SUPPOSED to be far more powerful than the standard. The problem is the gap no matter the skill or controler or mouse use is bigger than any game well ever. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
230
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:47:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I hate respecs. Gives FOTM chasers more ammo.
I would prefer that if they do it, they have to grind it out. FOTM players are the downfall of any game, worse in this game which some suits and setup are SUPPOSED to be far more powerful than the standard. The problem is the gap no matter the skill or controler or mouse use is bigger than any game well ever.
It's building off of Eves appeal. In Eve a capital ship can wreck hundreds if not thousands of players. The difference being that Eve is an open world or Galaxy as it were game with many things to do other than just fight that capital ship. In this game you have to fight that capital ship lol, since its nothing more than a lobby shooter with some rpg elements. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
954
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:36:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I hate respecs. Gives FOTM chasers more ammo.
I would prefer that if they do it, they have to grind it out. FOTM players are the downfall of any game, worse in this game which some suits and setup are SUPPOSED to be far more powerful than the standard. The problem is the gap no matter the skill or controler or mouse use is bigger than any game well ever.
The only people who will speck into FOTM are the one's who were just in the same to begin with .
It's going to be no different but why let the same players ruin it for those who's intent is to enjoy themselves more from a repetitive feeling that's lackluster to say the least .
Boring , plain , bland and dull .
But I guess if the happiness of those who are already content weighs more than those who are not , then I guess all is good business .
Can't make everybody happy , even if the numbers are like 60 / 40 ( more like 45 / 55 ) which could turn into 80 /20 but I guess it would still be 60 / 40 or more like 35 / 65 , because those who are trying to block it would be unhappy because they would have lost their edge .
This going threw changes , creating this endless circle .. creates a trend that would be broken with a refund .
The only reason anyone would negate one would be to keep whatever " supposed " edge that they feel that they have over most , everybody knows that they only one's who would have FOTM are the one's with a surplus in SP's , so they will try it out first ( The hierarchy ) .. come to the forums and talk about it amongst themselves because they will be the only one's with access threw their surplus , it's the same cycle of injustice as they cry , " Grind and live with your choices " .. while there was just another adjustment in the never ending search for " balance " .. but this instead keeps those who are on the top , at the top .
Boring , plain , bland and dull .
This is well known but it keeps on happening .
Just like CCP using this method to sell boosters .
I'm sure that they would make a hell of a lot more money after a refund .
They like it boring , plain, bland and dull ... this helps them to balance the game better .
Are we there yet ???
I guess they just don't need money like they appear to .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8889
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Posted - 2014.07.22 03:13:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete.
So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE
A.P.E.X BRUTE FORCE
162
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:14:00 -
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You requested the respec just to skill the fotm again? Learn to play.
War Is Just Routine - Snake
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Unidentified Caldarian
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
198
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:50:00 -
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Passive/Active Boosters are basically the respecs.
But if there was to be a respec, it should only be for people under 20 mil SP so they can get their fittings strait.
Everyone else with 50 million+ sp already had many chances.
"Falsely misquoted in a bible..." - Jett Pezzin
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Defy Gravity
459
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Posted - 2014.07.22 06:59:00 -
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Even though it may never happen +1 Signed *sigh*
Pokey Dravon for CPM1 :D
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xAckie
Ghost. Mob
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
and yet they are introducing one in Legion. Go figure..?.... |
Unidentified Caldarian
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
198
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
Well Eve isn't Dust 514 (Same creators but still a different game).
And I'm pretty sure at least one person has asked for a respec.
"Falsely misquoted in a bible..." - Jett Pezzin
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
395
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:07:00 -
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the gallente are doing better than ever now. Fail thread is fail
Speak out against the heavy QQ
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1518
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:29:00 -
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some people just should not play multiplayer games, that lack of brain activities is disgusting... we already had this "arguments" millions of times and they are still invalid.
if there is a FOTM then everyone already has it, it takes like one week of play to get decent amounts of SP for a new toy. a respec does not change anything in that regard. beside that, last time I played the battflefield was quite diverse, the only thing no one wants to play is assault but that is because the suit just lacks a clear standout. FOTM is just a poor excuse for someones lack of skill, lack of valid arguments and also lack of epeen size.
not everyone is a no life scrub that has time to play one week though. CCP needs money to make Legion and a respec for some AUR is a valid option to raise funds. it would allow newer players without 20-50m SP try out other suits once in a while at higher sp levels.
Maken Tosch wrote:
So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
first of all, dust is not eve
second, eve SP gain is fully passive, if you are not happy with your stuff you go play something else for a while, come back after a month and you have a new ship at level 5. try to get a sentinel suit to level 5 with passive SP only (in a reasonable timeframe) and tell me how it works out...
third, if you are really desperate you can farm ISK and then buy a complete new character from another player that suits your requirements |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8890
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:31:00 -
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Unidentified Caldarian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec. Well Eve isn't Dust 514 (Same creators but still a different game). And I'm pretty sure at least one person has asked for a respec.
Oh you mean that one guy who was lined up against the proverbial wall and then ganked by a fleet of Tornadoes piloted by everyone else for wanting a respec? Yeah, I remember him.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Unidentified Caldarian
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
199
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Oh you mean that one guy who was lined up against the proverbial wall and then ganked by a fleet of Tornadoes piloted by everyone else for wanting a respec? Yeah, I remember him.
Guessing he didn't make it 
"Falsely misquoted in a bible..." - Jett Pezzin
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
712
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:52:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear.
I waited 2 years for dropsuit racial parity, I then chose my suits wisely and carefully based on their stats, slots, bonuses etc.
I would at least expect an SP refund for these changes (I certainly wouldn't have skilled into them based on proposed changes for Charlie) |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
8892
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:53:00 -
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Unidentified Caldarian wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Oh you mean that one guy who was lined up against the proverbial wall and then ganked by a fleet of Tornadoes piloted by everyone else for wanting a respec? Yeah, I remember him. Guessing he didn't make it
Not all was lost. We let his buddy live only to tell every other FotM chaser to back off from Eve.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
5
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:04:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
I'm sorry I've been playing eve online for almost 5 years now. You don't need to respec because a frigate isn't going to one shot your battlecruiser overnight. In dust it's quite the opposite. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2343
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:07:00 -
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FOTM is a suicide pact, if KDR matchmaking is enacted. Respecs on demand with a big red button in the MQ, I say.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
5
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:08:00 -
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SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE wrote:You requested the respec just to skill the fotm again? Learn to play.
Actually no, I use what i want to use because i enjoy it. Like caldari to go with my eve player race. But it's obvious to me and i'm sure to you, if you do play that is, the you can see whole squads and corps in any mode run around with all samey stuff because it is OP.
The right place and time my advanced stuff can kill protos but when 6 guys in the same suit, weapons and who know what else steam roll the whole team, it's pretty stupid.
"Send in the...clones" |
Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
6
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:13:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:FOTM is a suicide pact, if KDR matchmaking is enacted. Respecs on demand with a big red button in the MQ, I say.
As much as I agree with you, you're putting logic to function, be careful with that on the internet. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2344
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:20:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:FOTM is a suicide pact, if KDR matchmaking is enacted. Respecs on demand with a big red button in the MQ, I say. As much as I agree with you, you're putting logic to function, be careful with that on the internet.
I'm so sure that nothing sensible will ever be done for this game, I feel quite free to talk logic, as heretical as that is here.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
280
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
Oh, people ask for it all the time, they get the same response.
A RESOUNDING NO! |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2270
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:25:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE wrote:You requested the respec just to skill the fotm again? Learn to play. Actually no, I use what i want to use because i enjoy it. Like caldari to go with my eve player race. But it's obvious to me and i'm sure to you, if you do play that is, the you can see whole squads and corps in any mode run around with all samey stuff because it is OP. The right place and time my advanced stuff can kill protos but when 6 guys in the same suit, weapons and who know what else steam roll the whole team, it's pretty stupid. "Send in the...clones"
Sad thing about most of what your feeling here is completely based on assumptions.
Those same players in a squad that steam roll your team would have the same outcome if they all had plasma cannons. Or if they all had ion pistols and nova knifes.
That is the difference in player level, skill points and team work that is just on a different level then the average Pub is ready for.
Most of these players have their core skills maxed or near to, then worked on proto weaponry. Maximizing the isk investment you make into items, or making them the most isk efficient they can be. CCP can nerf any suit or weapon, with solid core skill your ability to adapt to anything is pretty easy.
In anygame where there is constant development, skill and items get tweaked all the time. This has been happening since the beginning of persistent gaming worlds. Every player gets affected the same and then are forced to adapt and learn the new circumstances around it.
But that actually keeps the game fresh.
In a game like Counterstrike, where everyone is put on equal footing instantly and then have to fight it out with player skill, weapons will have a self balancing mechanism that works with the game to make a somewhat even playing field of choice.
Where DUST is Rock, Paper, Scissors. Meaning everything has a counter essentially, no matter how good you are at some point your stuff will just let you down versus someone that has a perfect counter to your fit.
The argument that everyone is running the same suit and weapon in pubs make most vets laugh.. Other then some red line bullshit, those circumstances are the easiest to create massive killing streaks.
Dust was never ever meant to be the person with the best aim or gear always wins. It has always been the smartest player wins. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2345
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE wrote:You requested the respec just to skill the fotm again? Learn to play. Actually no, I use what i want to use because i enjoy it. Like caldari to go with my eve player race. But it's obvious to me and i'm sure to you, if you do play that is, the you can see whole squads and corps in any mode run around with all samey stuff because it is OP. The right place and time my advanced stuff can kill protos but when 6 guys in the same suit, weapons and who know what else steam roll the whole team, it's pretty stupid. "Send in the...clones" Sad thing about most of what your feeling here is completely based on assumptions. Those same players in a squad that steam roll your team would have the same outcome if they all had plasma cannons. Or if they all had ion pistols and nova knifes. That is the difference in player level, skill points and team work that is just on a different level then the average Pub is ready for. Most of these players have their core skills maxed or near to, then worked on proto weaponry. Maximizing the isk investment you make into items, or making them the most isk efficient they can be. CCP can nerf any suit or weapon, with solid core skill your ability to adapt to anything is pretty easy. In anygame where there is constant development, skills and items get tweaked all the time. This has been happening since the beginning of persistent gaming worlds. Every player gets affected the same and then are forced to adapt and learn the new circumstances around it. But that actually keeps the game fresh. In a game like Counterstrike, where everyone is put on equal footing instantly and then have to fight it out with player skill, weapons will have a self balancing mechanism that works with the game to make a somewhat even playing field of choice. Where DUST is Rock, Paper, Scissors. Meaning everything has a counter essentially, no matter how good you are at some point your stuff will just let you down versus someone that has a perfect counter to your fit. The argument that everyone is running the same suit and weapon in pubs make most vets laugh.. Other then some red line bullshit, those circumstances are the easiest to create massive killing streaks. Dust was never ever meant to be the person with the best aim or gear always wins. It has always been the smartest player wins.
Vacuum of proof, more assumptions.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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Ken 1136
Sombra's Shadow
6
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:43:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:SCATTORSHOT RINNEGATE wrote:You requested the respec just to skill the fotm again? Learn to play. Actually no, I use what i want to use because i enjoy it. Like caldari to go with my eve player race. But it's obvious to me and i'm sure to you, if you do play that is, the you can see whole squads and corps in any mode run around with all samey stuff because it is OP. The right place and time my advanced stuff can kill protos but when 6 guys in the same suit, weapons and who know what else steam roll the whole team, it's pretty stupid. "Send in the...clones" Sad thing about most of what your feeling here is completely based on assumptions. Those same players in a squad that steam roll your team would have the same outcome if they all had plasma cannons. Or if they all had ion pistols and nova knifes. That is the difference in player level, skill points and team work that is just on a different level then the average Pub is ready for. Most of these players have their core skills maxed or near to, then worked on proto weaponry. Maximizing the isk investment you make into items, or making them the most isk efficient they can be. CCP can nerf any suit or weapon, with solid core skill your ability to adapt to anything is pretty easy. In anygame where there is constant development, skills and items get tweaked all the time. This has been happening since the beginning of persistent gaming worlds. Every player gets affected the same and then are forced to adapt and learn the new circumstances around it. But that actually keeps the game fresh. In a game like Counterstrike, where everyone is put on equal footing instantly and then have to fight it out with player skill, weapons will have a self balancing mechanism that works with the game to make a somewhat even playing field of choice. Where DUST is Rock, Paper, Scissors. Meaning everything has a counter essentially, no matter how good you are at some point your stuff will just let you down versus someone that has a perfect counter to your fit. The argument that everyone is running the same suit and weapon in pubs make most vets laugh.. Other then some red line bullshit, those circumstances are the easiest to create massive killing streaks. Dust was never ever meant to be the person with the best aim or gear always wins. It has always been the smartest player wins.
You do know you've made no point in all of that.
And don't say smartest in this game, it's a shooter. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:00:00 -
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Ken 1136 wrote:
You do know you've made no point in all of that.
And don't say smartest in this game, it's a shooter.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/previews/dust-514-hands-on
Look it up.. Dust is "The Thinking Man's Shooter" That is the entire vision they built the game around.
DUST 514's counter-play for dummies.
In one reply I get a guy asking for proof while having a Sig saying Kd/R matchmaking will fix DUST.. Like you couldn't be more obtuse and completely blind to the actual game and how it works and then it's history. Then wanting proof for well established facts.
Then you, who goes wahh wahhh my gun is not as good as it used to be gimme all my SP back like I never used it. Never made ISK from it.. Never advanced my position in DUST from it. I want it like it was brand new! Wahhhhh.
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Zelda Harkinian
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:02:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Not going to happen, stop asking for it.
If you trained your character right, suit changes affect you for a few weeks at best. If you trained your character wrong, that's your fault.
While I'm not asking for a respec, nor do I think CCP should ever give respecs again,
It's not someone's fault if they trained their character "wrong." It's not like there's a tutorial or an indepth encyclopedia of Dust gameplay mechanics and terminology. You forget that for a lot of new players, the way they learn is trial and error (and unfortunately sometimes there's a lot of error). Many of the vets and forum players don't have to worry about that too much because they're reaping the benefits of the forums vast accumulation of Dust knowledge and experience.
And if you say, well, the blueberries better get on the forums, you also have to remember that there is almost no notification of the forums in the actual game. No "come join the forums for more information" etc etc. I bet many don't even know the forums exist or if they do, don't know that it is anything more than people talking about anime or roleplaying (which there's surprisingly little of). |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2345
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:09:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:
You do know you've made no point in all of that.
And don't say smartest in this game, it's a shooter.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/previews/dust-514-hands-onLook it up.. Dust is "The Thinking Man's Shooter" That is the entire vision they built the game around. DUST 514's counter-play for dummies.In one reply I get a guy asking for proof while having a Sig saying Kd/R matchmaking will fix DUST.. Like you couldn't be more obtuse and completely blind to the actual game and how it works and then it's history. Then wanting proof for well established facts. Then you, who goes wahh wahhh my gun is not as good as it used to be gimme all my SP back like I never used it. Never made ISK from it.. Never advanced my position in DUST from it. I want it like it was brand new! Wahhhhh. This piece is for you and your kind.
Wow. You figured everything out. How silly I was too try to fool you!
Heh. What a goob.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2345
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:10:00 -
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Oh, and kdr matchmaking fixes this.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2198
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:14:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Oh, and kdr matchmaking fixes this.
As well as ensuring that 99% of the Logies in the game never show up in any "high level" match.
I'd rather a WP/D system was used.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
280
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:45:00 -
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Zelda Harkinian wrote:RayRay James wrote:Not going to happen, stop asking for it.
If you trained your character right, suit changes affect you for a few weeks at best. If you trained your character wrong, that's your fault. While I'm not asking for a respec, nor do I think CCP should ever give respecs again, It's not someone's fault if they trained their character "wrong." It's not like there's a tutorial or an indepth encyclopedia of Dust gameplay mechanics and terminology. You forget that for a lot of new players, the way they learn is trial and error (and unfortunately sometimes there's a lot of error). Many of the vets and forum players don't have to worry about that too much because they're reaping the benefits of the forums vast accumulation of Dust knowledge and experience. And if you say, well, the blueberries better get on the forums, you also have to remember that there is almost no notification of the forums in the actual game. No "come join the forums for more information" etc etc. I bet many don't even know the forums exist or if they do, don't know that it is anything more than people talking about anime or roleplaying (which there's surprisingly little of).
You're right, there's no tutorial and I agree the NPE isn't the best but come on. If you're looking at the skill tree and see skills that give you more PG, CPU, Armor, Shield regen you might not stop and think "Hmmm, I bet those might help me more that running straight to proto suits?" If you don't use logic, no amount of tutorial will help you.
When I started playing EVE, the corp I joined had just been war dec'ed. I hopped in a shuttle and sat 100 off the station to watch the fighting. I thought "Why would anyone kill a shuttle, I'm not a combat ship" Took about 2 minutes to be slapped with the error of my ways. Ship destroyed, pod destroyed. station...
Dust is the same way. If you can't look at what's in front of you, maybe you should ask questions. It's the mentality that people try and insult others with when saying "Go back to CoD, kiddie" Most people aren't used to a FPS that doesn't hold your hand and lead you along a progression path. The fact that most FPS do the progression for you is what I hate most about them. I want to make a decision on how I PLAY THE GAME, not how the developers think I should (to some extent anyways). I don't need that stupid sight or this gun I'm NEVER going to use.
edit: also, what game now a days doesn't have forums?
edit 2: also, if someone doesn't want to get involved in a corp, that's their choice but their missing out on that wealth of knowledge the bittervets have to pass down. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
280
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:49:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Oh, and kdr matchmaking fixes this.
No it doesn't.
I'm a logi and my KD/R is below, but near, 1. most the times it a .96-.98, I'm never going to get into a high level match that way unless you like that my 45 mil SP gal pro logi / pro forge / pro ADS would be in matches for players with > 1.0 KD/R |
RendonaSix
Techs Laboratory
154
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Posted - 2014.07.22 19:51:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I always wondered what it was like to be a shield tanker.
Its a bit like dying quicker on average I have found.
"For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2200
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:02:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:I always wondered what it was like to be a shield tanker. Its a bit like dying quicker on average I have found.
Don't brick tank (So you're not slowed down), grab a RR or Scrambler, and you'll find the high shield regen allows you to pick people apart from range 
Not the greatest thing though in CQC imo
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15989
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Ken 1136 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm sick and tired of people asking for respecs now. Two years of people doing nothing but ask for respecs is just too much for me to bear. Because fixes and patches make the whole game shift so much that even just one race of suits and weapons can make everything you have worked for and waited for obsolete. So? Eve Online players suffer the same thing every expansion and they never, during their 11-year history, asked for a respec.
Actually they have but the 99.99% told them to htfu and adapt or die.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
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Espartoi
Orkz Clan
298
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:17:00 -
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1 I have never feel the need of think playing this game..so call it "The Thinking Man's Shooter" is overrated.
2 If you can counter everything with the same weapon..kill any counter system, except for taking down vehicles.
3 With more items added to the game will not stop the respec topics.
4 For the role playing......**** Amarr!.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2345
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Posted - 2014.07.22 20:20:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Oh, and kdr matchmaking fixes this. No it doesn't. I'm a logi and my KD/R is below, but near, 1. most the times it a .96-.98, I'm never going to get into a high level match that way unless you like that my 45 mil SP gal pro logi / pro forge / pro ADS would be in matches for players with > 1.0 KD/R
You're not thinking it through.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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