DUST Search - There is no heavy nerf

The dark cloud wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us.

doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine

final number for your fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG

Then logout of protofits, click my link and add MAX SKILLS on the top left corner. You are making fits with Ck.0 sentinels, ive made fits with the "Hotfix charlie" variants which are aswell listed on protofits.

the fit lists hotfix charlie Ck.0

put in complex shield rechargers instead of energizers and the fit works.

Sidearm and nades optional. if you have to swap on an HMG fit anyway yer probably screwed.

Sidearm is not opional cause the other 3 heavys can fit the sidearm and grenades with no issue. And yes the sidearm and HMG where aswell proto on the other fits.

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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3650	Posted - 2014.07.20 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote Go and check out protofits and make fittings with the "hotfix charlie ak.0/gk.0 sentinels". You still can go fully proto on those without going over fitting limitations. The only heavy that gets dumped on is the caldari. The cpu nerf it receives forces it to use enhanced modules and advanced weapons and some standard stuff. Either nerfbat the other heavys harder or leave the caldari sentinel out of the nerf.
Defy Gravity 458	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:07:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed. caldaris and minmatars should be left alone. The Amarr & Gallente should be focused on more Pokey Dravon for CPM1 :D
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2014.07.20 16:15:00 - [3] - Quote the nerf was designed to help prevent proto light weapons (thale sr) being fitted to sentinels idk if the nerf succeeds in this regard i do not have access to proto fits so if you could test it much appreciated here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol after charlie it will be"oh shlt a amarr scout walked in"
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3650	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:01:00 - [4] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: the nerf was designed to help prevent proto light weapons (thale sr) being fitted to sentinels idk if the nerf succeeds in this regard i do not have access to proto fits so if you could test it much appreciated funny thing is on protofits the HMG fitting bonus isnt even applied yet. And i still can go full proto on the armor sentinels and it certainly wouldnt stop me using a lght weapon on them. Though that would just be scrubby.
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 86	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:03:00 - [5] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: the nerf was designed to help prevent proto light weapons (thale sr) being fitted to sentinels idk if the nerf succeeds in this regard i do not have access to proto fits so if you could test it much appreciated funny thing is on protofits the HMG fitting bonus isnt even applied yet. And i still can go full proto on the armor sentinels and it certainly wouldnt stop me using a lght weapon on them. Though that would just be scrubby. in that case the nerf for cpu/pg is a fail here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol after charlie it will be"oh shlt a amarr scout walked in"
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 42	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:15:00 - [6] - Quote Newsflash, Caldari is always being screwed over.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1681	Posted - 2014.07.20 17:36:00 - [7] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Go and check out protofits and make fittings with the "hotfix charlie ak.0/gk.0 sentinels". You still can go fully proto on those without going over fitting limitations. The only heavy that gets dumped on is the caldari. The cpu nerf it receives forces it to use enhanced modules and advanced weapons and some standard stuff. Either nerfbat the other heavys harder or leave the caldari sentinel out of the nerf. GK.0 sentinel fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5622 AK.0 sentinel fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5618 Ck.0 sentinel fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5619 edit: added the hotfix charlie sentinel fits to demonstrate it for simpletons. Actually when I filled in the relevant skills I have on my heavy suit setups, and convert them over to equivalent caldari-relevant skills (I have all of the damn skills pretty much maxed, except for caldari dropsuits anyway...) I can fit: 3 proto damage modifiers 1 complex shield extender 1 complex shield regulator Ishukone assault forge gun Toxin SMG Flux nade HMG fit: complex Shield Recharger x2 Comples Shield Extender x2 Complex shield regulator Boundless HMG Bolt Pistol or grenade it's a tight fit, but with the skills (Plug your damned skills in before you make posts like this) every heavy should have been training ANYWAY, it's doable. I plugged in the data with my skills applied to shields rather than armor, kept the rest the same. Voila, almost carbon copies of your fits using prototype modules instead of advanced. Fitting skills are your friend. Have fun kids.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3652	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:18:00 - [8] - Quote Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:27:00 - [9] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: the nerf was designed to help prevent proto light weapons (thale sr) being fitted to sentinels idk if the nerf succeeds in this regard i do not have access to proto fits so if you could test it much appreciated protofits is just a website that everyone can use. there is no restriction on who can use it or not, but i tried to use it for check scout sprint speeds and the numbers came up wrong so idk how accurate it is
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1681	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us. doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine final number for my listed fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG :edit: Ah I see my mistake. I plugged in rechargers. drop the nades and sidearm and the fit runs fully proto.

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3652	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:36:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us. doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine final number for your fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG Then logout of protofits, click my link and add MAX SKILLS on the top left corner. You are making fits with Ck.0 sentinels, ive made fits with the "Hotfix charlie" variants which are aswell listed on protofits.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1681	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:40:00 - [12] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us. doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine final number for your fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG Then logout of protofits, click my link and add MAX SKILLS on the top left corner. You are making fits with Ck.0 sentinels, ive made fits with the "Hotfix charlie" variants which are aswell listed on protofits. the fit lists hotfix charlie Ck.0 put in complex shield rechargers instead of energizers and the fit works. Sidearm and nades optional. if you have to swap on an HMG fit anyway yer probably screwed.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3653	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us. doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine final number for your fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG Then logout of protofits, click my link and add MAX SKILLS on the top left corner. You are making fits with Ck.0 sentinels, ive made fits with the "Hotfix charlie" variants which are aswell listed on protofits. the fit lists hotfix charlie Ck.0 put in complex shield rechargers instead of energizers and the fit works. Sidearm and nades optional. if you have to swap on an HMG fit anyway yer probably screwed. Sidearm is not opional cause the other 3 heavys can fit the sidearm and grenades with no issue. And yes the sidearm and HMG where aswell proto on the other fits.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1681	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:44:00 - [14] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us. doublecheck your numbers. the fits you have linked as shared have little to no skills linked, and when i restart the process with skills plugged in and use prototype modules it works fine final number for your fit proto is 405/407 CPU, 37/70 PG Then logout of protofits, click my link and add MAX SKILLS on the top left corner. You are making fits with Ck.0 sentinels, ive made fits with the "Hotfix charlie" variants which are aswell listed on protofits. the fit lists hotfix charlie Ck.0 put in complex shield rechargers instead of energizers and the fit works. Sidearm and nades optional. if you have to swap on an HMG fit anyway yer probably screwed. Sidearm is not opional cause the other 3 heavys can fit the sidearm and grenades with no issue. And yes the sidearm and HMG where aswell proto on the other fits. I'm aware, I'm talking functionality, not balance. but your statement that the Ck.0 is stuck using enhanced at best is misleading. I consider sidearms and grenades a secondary concern on a sentinel suit. Your statement that it's harder to fit (Stupidly so) is not being debated. maybe I should have made that more clear.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3653	Posted - 2014.07.20 18:58:00 - [15] - Quote The issue is that the caldari sentinel is the only one who needs to sacrifice something. The other 3 variants have no issue to fit on their suit whatever they want without penaltys to that. If i would see that the other races had similar fitting issues i wouldnt be concerned but this is just unfair. Caldari sentinels cant really be supported with repair tools and now they are the only race which gets realisticly nerfbatted. Though it has the 2nd lowest HP (after the minnie ofcourse) and it receives the harshest nerf. By looking how popular amarr and gallente sentinels are and that they basically are not affected at all (they can still fit whatever they want) it means that the proposed heavy nerf is nonexistant for the gameplay itself. The core message is: "what i can fit today, i can fit tomorrow".
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3657	Posted - 2014.07.20 19:12:00 - [16] - Quote How did you make Charlie fittings? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3654	Posted - 2014.07.20 19:30:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: How did you make Charlie fittings? By selecting the dropsuits that have a "hotfix charlie" in their name.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4591	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:03:00 - [18] - Quote Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5389	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:12:00 - [19] - Quote Sentinels NEED no Nerf. Stealth Storm
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1892	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:20:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? I think we need to ask the question how many proto-modules should any class of Frame (Light/Medium/Heavy) be able to fit at each Frame Tier (Militia/Basic/Advanced/Prototype)? Then adjust PG/CPU accordingly. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1892	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:23:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sentinels NEED no Nerf. Everything needs to be nerfed. That is one of the Dust 514 mantras. I'm just counting the days that CCP Rattati can withstand some of our community's more toxic leanings. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2168	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:24:00 - [22] - Quote I'm deathly afraid of Sentinels being nerfed to the point that I can't proto my HMG/Forge AND my primary defense... But I have a bit of faith :/ What was wrong with the old values for heavies anyways? Why was it even changed to the current values which are just too high. My old Proto Sentinel could sport a proto HMG, four proto plates, a proto D-Mod, and with 2 ranks in the HMG PG Fitting skill I had 4-5 PG to spare for some low-end basic grenades and sidearms, it seemed proper given I had maxed core skills, +30% to both PG and CPU. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5390	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:27:00 - [23] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? I think we need to ask the question how many proto-modules should any class of Frame (Light/Medium/Heavy) be able to fit at each Frame Tier (Militia/Basic/Advanced/Prototype)? Then adjust PG/CPU accordingly. At standard : 2 enh and the rest STD ADV 2 Cx and the Rest ADV AT proto level All proto for all races. How about that Stealth Storm
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3091	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:28:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? As a guode think about what you want them to equip and adjust accordingly. So caldari should be able to fit. 1x Proto HMG/FG (for simplicity homogenise fitting costs on weapons) 1x Proto Magsec Mostly Proto Extenders (1 or so at Advanced) Mostly Proto Regulators (1 or so at Advanced) 1+ù Advanced Grenade Then Amarr 1x Proto HMG/FG 1x Proto SMG/Scrambler Pistol Mostly Proto Plates (1 or so at advanced) Mostly Proto Damage Mods (1 at Standard) 1x Advanced Grenade And so and so forth for the other 2, a proto suit should ALWAYS be hard pushed to fit all proto. Sacrifices should be made in some places for buffs in others. I.e The caldari dropping to an advanced sidearm to achieve full proto extenders. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2168	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:29:00 - [25] - Quote If it were possible to have maxed proto gear on a suit, I hope that would be based on a non-brick-tank setup as well as maxed skills for both core and fitting. I'd still like there to be some choice for us protobears. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12043	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:33:00 - [26] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: If it were possible to have maxed proto gear on a suit, I hope that would be based on a non-brick-tank setup as well as maxed skills for both core and fitting. I'd still like there to be some choice for us protobears. If Armour resistance modules existed that would, I assume, reduce the frequency of seeing a bricked tanked set up. I mean I know I'd take 1x Adaptive Anti Explosive Plating ( Explosive Weapons res) 1x Adaptive Anti Kinetic Plating (Hybrid Rail res) 1x Complex Armour Plate 1x Armour Repper "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 204	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:36:00 - [27] - Quote it's all well and good to say that a calsent shouldn't be able to brick tank, but do not forget we are already disadvantaged against the other heavies due to only getting 66 hp on a proto shield extender vs 130 (ish) on an armour plate.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2848	Posted - 2014.07.20 21:38:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? Lol high expectations this is why everyone likes you. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1385	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? I will only speak for the Caldari Sentinel here.... Considering Shield tanking is not that strong right now anyway, the Caldari Sentinel already struggles to really max out its shield tank with proto mods as-is, depending on which shield mods you fit. Also the huge fact that there are no shield repair tools or shield triage hives.... The Caldari Sentinel certainly does not need any CPU nerfs. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1385	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:02:00 - [30] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: it's all well and good to say that a calsent shouldn't be able to brick tank, but do not forget we are already disadvantaged against the other heavies due to only getting 66 hp on a proto shield extender vs 130 (ish) on an armour plate. And many other reasons that put shield sentinels at a disadvantageous position right now. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!



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