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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:05:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Are you stupid? Did you even had a look at my fits? They where made with all lvl5 skills. The suits are not the sentinels we have today they are the hotfix charlie sentinels with reduced CPU+PG. And a forgegun is not really going to help me in a 1vs1 fight with a HMG heavy. Please only post if you have read the feedback section about the PG+CPU nerf thats about to hit us.
Oh contrar monfrare, a forge gun is the bain of HMG brick tank spam. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:12:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Oh contrar monfrare, a forge gun is the bain of HMG brick tank spam.
Currently though you'd have to shoot my brick tank twice to kill me, given the Gal Sent resistance versus hybrid rails 
I know this for a fact.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:18:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Oh contrar monfrare, a forge gun is the bain of HMG brick tank spam. Currently though you'd have to shoot my brick tank twice to kill me, given the Gal Sent resistance versus hybrid rails I know this for a fact.
I generally focus on cost efficiency more than anything since payouts to me are the only real metrics in a game like this. I'm okay with a 2.7k fit taking two shots to kill your proto bear. That said I've one shot gallente proto bears with my kalakoital but I do have level 3 damage proficiency. If you are brick tanked enough to survive it your also slow enough for a cadet to panic wet himself then finish you off after the blast lol. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race?
Honestly i dont know exact values but bringing the caldari sentinel to the lvl of the others would just be a circlejerk and we would complain about heavy spam within 1 day after the hotfix got dropped. The main focus should be either firepower or tanking on fittings. This can only be achieved by tackling the main fitting factor of each suit.
So lets take a example:
-caldari gets nerfed on CPU and has to decide if it wants to go tank or gank (because of shield modules beeing CPU heavy)
-amarr and gallente should be nerfed on PG so that it is not possible to have a proto HMG and 3/4 complex plates
-minmatarr is just a abomination but some people consider the speed of it "OP" and because ctalysers require PG so PG should be nerfed on it
And to make it clear:
i dont want the caldari to be brought up to the same lvl as the other sentinels, i want the other sentinels to be brought down to the caldari sentinels fitting lvl. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:33:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Oh contrar monfrare, a forge gun is the bain of HMG brick tank spam. Currently though you'd have to shoot my brick tank twice to kill me, given the Gal Sent resistance versus hybrid rails I know this for a fact. I generally focus on cost efficiency more than anything since payouts to me are the only real metrics in a game like this. I'm okay with a 2.7k fit taking two shots to kill your proto bear. That said I've one shot gallente proto bears with my kalakoital but I do have level 3 damage proficiency. If you are brick tanked enough to survive it your also slow enough for a cadet to panic wet himself then finish you off after the blast lol. And the Wyrkrmoni will for damn sure kill any suit.
True, but I was mainly pointing out that against true brick-tanked suits, they'll gun you down in the HMG territory (what the discussion was originally about) before you can charge that second shot and release. HMGs do just too much damage, but yeah FGs do make amusing anti-heavy shotguns.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:37:00 -
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anti heavy shotgun is just a normal shotgun. Use a scout, shot him in the back 2-3 times and he should fall over dead. Which is faster then charging a 2nd shot with a forgegun. Well maybe if you have some squad coordination you could pre charge the thing and shot the heavy before he turns around the corner unleashing lead showers onto your head. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:39:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Oh contrar monfrare, a forge gun is the bain of HMG brick tank spam. Currently though you'd have to shoot my brick tank twice to kill me, given the Gal Sent resistance versus hybrid rails I know this for a fact. I generally focus on cost efficiency more than anything since payouts to me are the only real metrics in a game like this. I'm okay with a 2.7k fit taking two shots to kill your proto bear. That said I've one shot gallente proto bears with my kalakoital but I do have level 3 damage proficiency. If you are brick tanked enough to survive it your also slow enough for a cadet to panic wet himself then finish you off after the blast lol. And the Wyrkrmoni will for damn sure kill any suit. True, but I was mainly pointing out that against true brick-tanked suits, they'll gun you down in the HMG territory (what the discussion was originally about) before you can charge that second shot and release. HMGs do just too much damage, but yeah FGs do make amusing anti-heavy shotguns.
If it was the other way around we wouldn't need HMGS lol. One nice thing about the heavy shotgun though is it also doubles as a sniper rifle and AV weapon. It's the king of Alpha damage kind of like the Spartan Laser in Halo. But I definitely agree I try not to get close to a HMG unless I'm sure I can one shot it. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:42:00 -
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Wait, there is no spoon?
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:44:00 -
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Amarr Sentinel needs to have about 340-360 CPU after bonuses. Allows the heavy to run mainly proto but still has to sacrifice the sidearm/grenade slot if running all complexx mods, or sacrificing a few modules if they want proto grenades and sidearms.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.21 00:52:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Amarr Sentinel needs to have about 340-360 CPU after bonuses. Allows the heavy to run mainly proto but still has to sacrifice the sidearm/grenade slot if running all complexx mods, or sacrificing a few modules if they want proto grenades and sidearms.
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:03:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
HMG fit:
complex Shield Recharger x2
Comples Shield Extender x2
Complex shield regulator
Boundless HMG
Bolt Pistol or grenade
For the Caldari is the Six-Kin-HMG better.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:06:00 -
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Who in their right mind would fit a bolt pistol on a Sentinel? That weapon is just terrible.
Archistrategos
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Who in their right mind would fit a bolt pistol on a Sentinel? That weapon is just terrible, especially for a heavy. The sidearm should always be a SMG. Not Magsec, but a SMG.
I use a Breach SCRAMBLER Pistol as a side for my heavy ... u.u
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:33:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man.
Which is why we're having a discussion about it.
For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance.
And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.07.21 02:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Who in their right mind would fit a bolt pistol on a Sentinel? That weapon is just terrible, especially for a heavy. The sidearm should always be a SMG. Not Magsec, but a SMG. I use a Breach SCRAMBLER Pistol as a side for my heavy ... u.u
Yes of course. That's another good choice. Forgot about that one.
Archistrategos
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5410
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:11:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man. Which is why we're having a discussion about it. For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance. And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints.
This is NOT eve.
The trad-off is the ISK cost which is pretty hard to gain.
/end discussion
PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE.
This game is in this S*** state it is because people trying to make is ''AS EVE''....
Start to start thinking how to make it a better F P S
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AFK Godfather
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:26:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Newsflash, Caldari is always being screwed over.
Always? What, Caldari heavies or Caldari in general?
Caldari heavies? I suppose... but generally Caldari was the best for a long time on DUST. I remember seeing the days of Caldari Logis >>>> every other frame. It was 'D' FoTM for a few months.
Shields were always better than armor. So nerfing a shield heavy frame always seems like a good idea to CCP. Instead of them making armor more viable, which imo, they've failed to do since forever, they nerf shield frames. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12061
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man. Which is why we're having a discussion about it. For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance. And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints. This is NOT eve.The trad-off is the ISK cost which is pretty hard to gain. /end discussion PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE. This game is in this S*** state it is because people trying to make is ''AS EVE''.... Start to start thinking how to make it a better F P S
No this IS EVE.
We exist within the sphere of EVE's influence. Every design decision a corporations makes in EVE it will do in Dust, the mechanics that apply to EVE need apply to Dust, why deny the successful half of this franchise?
Dust is in EVE and EVE encompasses Dust. What rules and concepts apply in one must apply in the other.
You can shoot **** in any game. In DUST we are promised more. Links to an established and persistent universe full of content, lore, and life.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:36:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Who in their right mind would fit a bolt pistol on a Sentinel? That weapon is just terrible, especially for a heavy. The sidearm should always be a SMG. Not Magsec, but a SMG.
Hmm, I use either Bolt Pistols or Scramblers, as they are both wonderful precision weapons and the bolt pistol especially is long-range, where as the SMG has too much of an overlap with what my HMG can already do. *shrugs*
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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AFK Godfather
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man. Which is why we're having a discussion about it. For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance. And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints. This is NOT eve.The trad-off is the ISK cost which is pretty hard to gain. /end discussion PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE. This game is in this S*** state it is because people trying to make is ''AS EVE''.... Start to start thinking how to make it a better F P S No this IS EVE. We exist within the sphere of EVE's influence. Every design decision a corporations makes in EVE it will do in Dust, the mechanics that apply to EVE need apply to Dust, why deny the successful half of this franchise? Dust is in EVE and EVE encompasses Dust. What rules and concepts apply in one must apply in the other. You can shoot **** in any game. In DUST we are promised more. Links to an established and persistent universe full of content, lore, and life.
Nope, it's not. There are inconsistencies in DUST / EVE lore. In EVE, isn't Galente fast? For quick attack and run tactics? (so i heard...) But in DUST, they're slow as molasses. And "point and click" game isn't really balanced the same as a FPS, so technically, they shouldn't be the same.
But lol @ "DUST we are promised more"  ... Legion might be out in 2-4 years, then that promise might be fulfilled.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12072
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Posted - 2014.07.21 07:40:00 -
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AFK Godfather wrote:True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man. Which is why we're having a discussion about it. For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance. And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints. This is NOT eve.The trad-off is the ISK cost which is pretty hard to gain. /end discussion PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE. This game is in this S*** state it is because people trying to make is ''AS EVE''.... Start to start thinking how to make it a better F P S No this IS EVE. We exist within the sphere of EVE's influence. Every design decision a corporations makes in EVE it will do in Dust, the mechanics that apply to EVE need apply to Dust, why deny the successful half of this franchise? Dust is in EVE and EVE encompasses Dust. What rules and concepts apply in one must apply in the other. You can shoot **** in any game. In DUST we are promised more. Links to an established and persistent universe full of content, lore, and life. Nope, it's not. There are inconsistencies in DUST / EVE lore. In EVE, isn't Galente fast? For quick attack and run tactics? (so i heard...) But in DUST, they're slow as molasses. And "point and click" game isn't really balanced the same as a FPS, so technically, they shouldn't be the same. But lol @ "DUST we are promised more" ... Legion might be out in 2-4 years, then that promise might be fulfilled.
Gallente are about as fast as every other Empire Faction but are considered the second fastest. As for hit and run..... pfff I don't think a gank is considered hit and run......
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Unlucky Fluke
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.21 08:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:SponkSponkSponk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Why?
All proto suits should be able to Carry full proto Mods/Weapons.
This is why one pays, not for a extra slot, but for better CPU-PG.
Well, that's, like, just your opinion, man. Which is why we're having a discussion about it. For reference, ships in Eve often have problems fitting a desired level of tanking as well as the best guns. In fact, being able to fit the best weapon and an optimal tank is usually a sign that a ship (or the weapon) needs a rebalance. And even in the case of balanced ships, there's still tradeoffs, like running rolled tungsten plates instead of tech 2 plates, or running adaptive platings instead of the better energised nano membranes because of CPU constraints. This is NOT eve.The trad-off is the ISK cost which is pretty hard to gain. /end discussion PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE. This game is in this S*** state it is because people trying to make is ''AS EVE''.... Start to start thinking how to make it a better F P S No this IS EVE. We exist within the sphere of EVE's influence. Every design decision a corporations makes in EVE it will do in Dust, the mechanics that apply to EVE need apply to Dust, why deny the successful half of this franchise? Dust is in EVE and EVE encompasses Dust. What rules and concepts apply in one must apply in the other. You can shoot **** in any game. In DUST we are promised more. Links to an established and persistent universe full of content, lore, and life.
A "point and click" game, where the playerskill is meassure in spreadsheet Power and fleet co-ordination (tactics) can not be balanced the same way as a game where player skill is meassured in reaction time, aim and "general gungame".
This has been the fundamental fault in Dust's history more or less up until Rattati, may he live forever, came in and basically improved the game more in a couple of months than the rest of the CCP crew could manage in a couple of years.
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:28:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Who in their right mind would fit a bolt pistol on a Sentinel? That weapon is just terrible, especially for a heavy. The sidearm should always be a SMG. Not Magsec, but a SMG.
Yes, let's use a short range sidearm to compliment our short range HMG
-_-
You obviously don't play the sentinel role, or you're terrible at using the bolt pistol. Bolt pistol is awesome and gives the sentinel extra range it otherwise wouldn't have.
I use it to take out other sentinels easily. I chip off parts of their shield/armor before they can get within range to use their HMG. Then once they get to me they're already in a weakened state and are killed easier.
Having an SMG is a waste of a sidearm slot.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Cornballs Get Stonewalled
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Posted - 2014.07.21 14:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
This is NOT eve.
PS:We dont give a f** about eve ok? We are here because we like this FPS. EVE lore is ok, but if i wanted to plays something ''like eve'' i would just go ahead and play eVE.
I really wish more in the community felt like you do and you can't tell most that this is not EVE because they are trying to make it so with zeal .
They just can't wait until legion for their " shining moment " , most players who play this game and feel the way you do ( I feel the same way ) are just push overs and just don't speak out about the transformation but go along with it like it's alright .
They smack console players in the face every chance that they get and are still upset about Dust not being on PC to begin with and the sad part about it is they have won .
They won and still are spiteful .
I with you in saying " I don't give a f*^# about EVE either . "
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
1082
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Posted - 2014.07.21 17:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Thanks. In your expert opinion, what should the proto sentinelse have in PG/CPU per race? I think we need to ask the question how many proto-modules should any class of Frame (Light/Medium/Heavy) be able to fit at each Frame Tier (Militia/Basic/Advanced/Prototype)? Then adjust PG/CPU accordingly. At standard : 2 enh and the rest STD
ADV 2 Cx and the Rest ADV
AT proto level All proto for all races.
How about that
At proto level, WITH SKILLS (pg/cpu skills, plus the dropsuit upgrades skill). Just because you unlock a proto suit, doesn't mean you should be able to fit proto everything.
Just throwing this out there because I haven't seen anyone mention the need for skills to fit proto equipment efficiently. This also includes, weapon prof skills (the ones that reduce CPU or PG and any accompanying skills that make it easier to fit items).
Much like it is for tanks and dropships.
And Cal I feel (dunno about minny) are one of the weakest defensive wise in comparison to the amar and gal sentinals. I think more attention should be focused their way when determining balance, not a heavy nerf across the board.
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