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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.20 07:16:00 -
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When people were honored to have a heavy in their squad. When Amarr was the only one, and it took real dedication to become fully skilled.
You people are blaming us for something that isn't our fault. It was the 1.8 dropsuit respec, the 2 million clone challenge, and the other events that boosted everyone's SP so high that we could essentially pick whatever we wanted.
That's why there are a bunch of skill-less heavies running around. That is your "heavy spam."
We do NOT have an easy time of mindlessly slaughtering everything in our paths. We get slaughtered by remotes, scouts, other heavies, rifles from a distance, multiple enemies purposely hunting us down, turning on us and shooting as soon as we pop out of cover.
You people are really starting to be insulting, and rude about your heavy QQ. We are not hiding behind our crutch. We are not playing Dust on easy mode. We are going out there, and we are being absolutely obliterated just like everyone else on the battlefield.
We put our asses on the line for YOU, in places that YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO, placing ourselves in mortal danger in front of crowds of enemy infantry to keep them away from YOUR OBJECTIVES. We are the #1 hard counter to enemy scouts that YOU WOULD GET OVERWHELMED BY IF IT WASN'T FOR US.
I have sat in Planetary Conquest battles and constantly taken abuse from the enemy, following the orders of my Field Commanders. I have literally sat there and felt like a helpless ragdoll while I spawned in and got orbitaled, spawned in and got pinned down by rifles on top of buildings, spawned in and sacrificed myself to kill 2 or 3 enemies with me.
WE TAKE THE ABUSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Stop making excuses and realize that you are hateful, and spiteful and just want take what's ours away from us because for some idiotic reason, YOU think it should be completely okay to waltz right into a crowd of heavies instead of oh, I don't know?
Picking them off one by one with a Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle? Melting them all at once with a Laser Rifle? Blowing them all to Hell with Remotes? Hunting them down and shooting them in the backs with a Shotty instead of expecting to be able to walk right in front of and wave "hello! I'm a scrub who thinks you shouldn't be instamelting me right now!"
Everything kills heavies, and does it well. Every single weapon in this game. Even the Assault Rifle isn't the poster boy for weakness anymore. Stop blaming us for your inability to kill us with the multitude of ways you could easily pick every one of us off one by one. Because it happens to me every time I turn on Dust.
We are there to make the difference on the battlefield. Even to help you kill the hostile heavies. Respect us and stop demanding unwarranted, illogical nerfs that will solve nothing.
I am nowhere near the only one who thinks that heavies are balanced right now. Almost everyone I talk to in-game agrees with me. Only on the forums do I find such opposition and it's not right.
We sit there and endure the pain right up until the last drop of our HP to keep the enemy off your objectives.
i keel you
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
666
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Posted - 2014.07.20 08:25:00 -
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People hate the heavy spam because it is spam.
It is spam because heavis are extremely potent (high DPS murderometer aka the HMG) with insane resilience (huge pool of EHP including the resistances) and they still have reasonable flexibility (can fit light weapons as needed for example.!
Are Sentinels broken? Maybe, maybe not. Is there a reason people spam the hell out of them? Yes, its because Sentinels are relatively simple to use while being incredibly effective for very little investment. A militia heavy suit with a STD HMG can obliterate a squad of ADV suits almost as effectiverly as a PRO Sentinel. Therein lies peoples' issues.
People used to respect Sentinels because they were weak and thus hard to use well. Come 1.8 and they gained a number of extremely powerful advantages. You say that they are weak against rifles? Good, otherwise why take any other suit: Weak against coordination? Have you seen Gal/AmSent/Logi combos?!
You can blame the SP gained from the Million Clone Challenge, but that doesn't change the reason why so many skilled into them.
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Alena Ventrallis
S0VER31GN
1469
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Posted - 2014.07.20 08:38:00 -
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There is a reason there are so many of them on the field. Just because Mr mustard is a brilliant scout doesn't make scouts any less op.
Heavies don't have to worry about rifles at range when they are in a city map, or when they are on the underground objective. They don't need to worry about remotes when they can escape into their LAV and drive away, negating their one weakness:their speed. You have 25% splash reduction at sentinel 5, meaning you can survive an RE, especially if you have shields up. Armor heavies also gain the benefit of logi support, and all heavies have access to the highest DPS handheld weapon in the game. And there is nothing stopping you from equipping a rifle yourself and engaging those rifles at range right back, and having your massive health pool along with it.
Indeed you are correct, heavies do suffer much abuse. They are by no means invincible. I have killed plenty, with remotes, plasma cannons, shotguns, my own heavy suits. And many of the issues with heavies are not the fault of the heavy. Map designs encourage CQC capability, especially as mentioned before, the underground objective. Heavies also have access to the highest DPS weapon, which can fire for about 8 seconds before overheat, and can kill any suit it looks at in a tenth that time. The overheat nerf will help with this, but not stop it entirely. Vehicle mechanics mean heavies can run drive bys, jump out, now someone down, and escape if threatened at all. Weak snipers mean the maximum possible damage a sniper can do (Thale's on a commando cko with 3 complex damage mods) mean a heavy can survive 3 shots to the body, or 2 to the head, giving plenty of time for you to get out of sight. These are not your fault as a heavy, but that doesn't mean they aren't problems.
I don't wish to see you be nerfed into oblivion. I am glad to rep you in my minlogi, scan for you in my calscout, drive you where you need to go in my tank. I'll whip out my own heavy and join you side by side if need be. But having the most DPS and the most health, on maps that force people to enter your HMGs optimal in order to engage you, and driving LAVs that remove your weakness when your not in a city, are all issues that must be acknowledged if there is to be any reasonable discussion. On the other side, we must realize that needing heavies directly will not solve these issues, and only perpetuate the cycle of buff/Nerf/buff that we have been in since Uprising dropped.
Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
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X7 lion
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:36:00 -
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i dont know who your are, i dont know what you want. if your looking for isk i dont have any, but what i do have is a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you just go back to your business that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will stab you.
Hey look a distraction!
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11150
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:40:00 -
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People respected heavies like people respected scouts.
Now that they're both easy to use, that respect is gone.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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X7 lion
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:People respected heavies like people respected scouts.
Now that they're both easy to use, that respect is gone. i never got respect, then i found out im good with nk, still got no respect then every thing turned red & when i came too ever thing was stabbed
Hey look a distraction!
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11150
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Posted - 2014.07.20 09:43:00 -
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X7 lion wrote:Cat Merc wrote:People respected heavies like people respected scouts.
Now that they're both easy to use, that respect is gone. i never got respect, then i found out im good with nk, still got no respect then every thing turned red & when i came too ever thing was stabbed When I ran with a scout that did a good job I was always showering praise on him. It's not easy, and I wanted him to feel good that he managed to kick ass in it.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
307
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:08:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:When people were honored to have a heavy in their squad. When Amarr was the only one, and it took real dedication to become fully skilled.
You people are blaming us for something that isn't our fault. It was the 1.8 dropsuit respec, the 2 million clone challenge, and the other events that boosted everyone's SP so high that we could essentially pick whatever we wanted.
That's why there are a bunch of skill-less heavies running around. That is your "heavy spam."
We do NOT have an easy time of mindlessly slaughtering everything in our paths. We get slaughtered by remotes, scouts, other heavies, rifles from a distance, multiple enemies purposely hunting us down, turning on us and shooting as soon as we pop out of cover.
You people are really starting to be insulting, and rude about your heavy QQ. We are not hiding behind our crutch. We are not playing Dust on easy mode. We are going out there, and we are being absolutely obliterated just like everyone else on the battlefield.
We put our asses on the line for YOU, in places that YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO, placing ourselves in mortal danger in front of crowds of enemy infantry to keep them away from YOUR OBJECTIVES. We are the #1 hard counter to enemy scouts that YOU WOULD GET OVERWHELMED BY IF IT WASN'T FOR US.
I have sat in Planetary Conquest battles and constantly taken abuse from the enemy, following the orders of my Field Commanders. I have literally sat there and felt like a helpless ragdoll while I spawned in and got orbitaled, spawned in and got pinned down by rifles on top of buildings, spawned in and sacrificed myself to kill 2 or 3 enemies with me.
WE TAKE THE ABUSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Stop making excuses and realize that you are hateful, and spiteful and just want take what's ours away from us because for some idiotic reason, YOU think it should be completely okay to waltz right into a crowd of heavies instead of oh, I don't know?
Picking them off one by one with a Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle? Melting them all at once with a Laser Rifle? Blowing them all to Hell with Remotes? Hunting them down and shooting them in the backs with a Shotty instead of expecting to be able to walk right in front of and wave "hello! I'm a scrub who thinks you shouldn't be instamelting me right now!"
Everything kills heavies, and does it well. Every single weapon in this game. Even the Assault Rifle isn't the poster boy for weakness anymore. Stop blaming us for your inability to kill us with the multitude of ways you could easily pick every one of us off one by one. Because it happens to me every time I turn on Dust.
We are there to make the difference on the battlefield. Even to help you kill the hostile heavies. Respect us and stop demanding unwarranted, illogical nerfs that will solve nothing.
I am nowhere near the only one who thinks that heavies are balanced right now. Almost everyone I talk to in-game agrees with me. Only on the forums do I find such opposition and it's not right.
We sit there and endure the pain right up until the last drop of our HP to keep the enemy off your objectives. I remember when our smgs couldn't kill also and the cal assaults would run a 100 yards dancing left and right and kill us as a forge gunner |
LudiKure ninda
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.07.20 11:20:00 -
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Heavy/Scout=Easy mode
Solo player..
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED!
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:08:00 -
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they need theyre dps adjusted...that whats happening be gratefull ccp has gone with a reasonable fix by lowering your insane dps..leaving you your high hp pools..as tanks (rpg role: the TANK) are meant to be shields not swords..your meant to cover us not stomp everything in sight.
personally i feel heavies hp is fine they just deal to much dps it brings them out of they're role..thankfully i think ccp agrees with me..and thats why they are nerfing the hmg.
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
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Hakyou Brutor
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
913
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:15:00 -
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I hate heavies because they are easy mode. Yes, you are correct when you say it isn't you're fault if you ran heavy before the buff, however, 80% of the heavies I see running around have skilled into them after their buff. It's the same with the scouts, except imo, scouts are much harder to run than heavies.
Please spare me the whole "heavies are hard to run! not easy!" it's not true. I have a level 1 heavy and a level 1 HMG on my main character. Went 28/1 with my second game, all basic. With my proto heavy alt it's just a stomp, not to mention if I have a logi on me.
In short: don't run around like an idiot with an HMG, do what heavies are meant to do, defend points. |
Khemlar Maktaar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
35
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Posted - 2014.07.20 12:56:00 -
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u Guys are full of **** the heavy is hard just cos u roflstomp people why being repped doesnt mean the heavy is good and btw i could kill a heavy being repped by 5 core repair tools in 2 seconds or 3 at most with most weapons its not hard heavies are slow and geared towards cqc is it any suprise there good at it? |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
666
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:01:00 -
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Khemlar Maktaar wrote:i could kill a heavy being repped by 5 core repair tools in 2 seconds or 3 at most with most weapons its not hard Turning off the PS3 doesn't count.
You do realise that 5 Core Reps outpaces all light weapon DPS right? Quit talking bull and get off your crutch.
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1722
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:34:00 -
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I for one <3 my heavy-bros.
Min Logi + Heavy 4 Lyfe.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire.
10739
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Posted - 2014.07.20 15:07:00 -
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Being killed by a Rifle in Long Range Combat means that your a bad player.
You shouldn't be so eager to put that in your thread...
-HAND
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2545
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Posted - 2014.07.20 15:20:00 -
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I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe?
Tanker/Logi
0 The number of 7ucks given
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1527
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Posted - 2014.07.20 15:33:00 -
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[quote=Kallas Hallytyr People used to respect Sentinels because they were weak and thus hard to use well. [/quote]
This line right here is what showed that you have no idea what the OP was talking about. Your clearly too new of a player.
No sentinels were not feared because they were hard to use. In closed bete sentinels actually were more expensive both sp wise and isk wise. They were respected because they represented a much larger investment of time and isk than most other suits and their killing power (which was amazing) was acceptable because of these inherent costs. It had absolutely nothing to do with sentinals being harder to use, that came later, much later actually when the sp and isk costs of all suits were equalized.
Now that your history lesson is over I'd like to point out that I do agree with the first part of your post. Yes, people are annoyed with sentinels right now because there are so many of them on the battlefield. That really is all that it comes down to. The OP has failed to see that while heavies are not the easiest play style in Dust in numbers that have a massive advantage over other suits.
There are times currently when we see as much as 1/3 of a team spawning in as heavies. Mind you this is nothing compared to the number of people spawning in as scouts, but it is still a high number. When this happens. When the enemy has so many heavies. It feels like you can't get away from them. You spawn in, you get insta-blapped by an HMG. You turn a corner, three heavies are waiting there to meet you guns a blazin'.
So yes, the proble with heavies isn't the suit or the TTK it is the number of heavies. They, like scouts are simply far too numerous leading them to recieve hate by the bucket load. Hopefully this will change as medium frames are made more viable, which will let many vets move back to our cherrished assaults which have been collecting Dust for the last few months, thus bringing diversity back to the battlefield and tamping down this "x suit is amazing QQ-fest" in we are currently engaging.
Fun > Realism
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
668
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Posted - 2014.07.20 16:37:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Your clearly too new of a player.
Ah yes, the argument of the e-peen unendowed. Been here since Closed Beta buddy. For a long time heavies were severely underpowered (roughly around the supremacy of the CalLogi I think) which meant that those who stuck with them became great, just like Scouts, and ADS pilots and other roles/weapons/whatever whenever they fall far from the curve.
Those heavies earned respect because they were good.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:No sentinels were not feared because they were hard to use. In closed bete sentinels actually were more expensive both sp wise and isk wise. They were respected because they represented a much larger investment of time and isk than most other suits and their killing power (which was amazing) was acceptable because of these inherent costs. It had absolutely nothing to do with sentinals being harder to use, that came later, much later actually when the sp and isk costs of all suits were equalized.
I find it curious then how people ***** and moan about ADSs, if this was the case. They also require heaps of SP, ISK and more than a little skill and time investment, yet people are often complaining about how they're too powerful or whatnot.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Now that your history lesson is over I'd like to point out that I do agree with the first part of your post. Yes, people are annoyed with sentinels right now because there are so many of them on the battlefield. That really is all that it comes down to. The OP has failed to see that while heavies are not the easiest play style in Dust in numbers that have a massive advantage over other suits.
There are times currently when we see as much as 1/3 of a team spawning in as heavies. Mind you this is nothing compared to the number of people spawning in as scouts, but it is still a high number. When this happens. When the enemy has so many heavies. It feels like you can't get away from them. You spawn in, you get insta-blapped by an HMG. You turn a corner, three heavies are waiting there to meet you guns a blazin'.
So yes, the proble with heavies isn't the suit or the TTK it is the number of heavies. They, like scouts are simply far too numerous leading them to recieve hate by the bucket load. Hopefully this will change as medium frames are made more viable, which will let many vets move back to our cherrished assaults which have been collecting Dust for the last few months, thus bringing diversity back to the battlefield and tamping down this "x suit is amazing QQ-fest" in we are currently engaging.
Well said.
Alt of Halla Murr.
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Midnight Cardinal
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:27:00 -
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Ahh beta. Those days, when you saw a heavy, you were like,"Oh s**t!" These days, you see a heavy and you bombard him with a flux and say,"Everything's fine, I've got militia."
Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline.
You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
38
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:48:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:People hate the heavy spam because it is spam.
It is spam because heavis are extremely potent (high DPS murderometer aka the HMG) with insane resilience (huge pool of EHP including the resistances) and they still have reasonable flexibility (can fit light weapons as needed for example.!
Are Sentinels broken? Maybe, maybe not. Is there a reason people spam the hell out of them? Yes, its because Sentinels are relatively simple to use while being incredibly effective for very little investment. A militia heavy suit with a STD HMG can obliterate a squad of ADV suits almost as effectiverly as a PRO Sentinel. Therein lies peoples' issues.
People used to respect Sentinels because they were weak and thus hard to use well. Come 1.8 and they gained a number of extremely powerful advantages. You say that they are weak against rifles? Good, otherwise why take any other suit: Weak against coordination? Have you seen Gal/AmSent/Logi combos?!
You can blame the SP gained from the Million Clone Challenge, but that doesn't change the reason why so many skilled into them. The Dev.s are fixing the assault suit so there should be less heavies.
Eye of the Reaper
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Zindorak
1.U.P
158
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:49:00 -
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There are 2 groups of heavies. The Skillless Scrubs and the Dedicated protectors (hence sentinel) The dedicated protectors are those who go around with support and teamwork. The scrubs just walk around getting easy kills
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4273
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:44:00 -
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Why are you trying this again, didn't you learn anything the first time? A Gal Sentinel has more PG than a Gallente Assault yet has less slots? How is that not messed?
Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.07.20 22:17:00 -
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So I tried the heavy out today and this is how I did solo without dropping OB's http://imgur.com/PjNlo7khttp://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7y The guy above was a solo heavy w/ a Pro Cal sentinel with a six kin burst
Tanker/Logi
0 The number of 7ucks given
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2014.07.21 03:54:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe?
i was in that PC. you're talking about Skeletor Voltron.
maybe you should go back and re-read because I was on that objective under the field commander's orders, regardless of it being a kill zone
You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12064
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Posted - 2014.07.21 04:00:00 -
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I blame the tank spam on those same events for the same reasons.
BAM! Absolved of any guilt.
Thank you everyone I'll show myself out.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.07.21 04:04:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe? i was in that PC. you're talking about Skeletor Voltron. maybe you should go back and re-read because I was on that objective under the field commander's orders, regardless of it being a kill zone What's your main?
Tanker/Logi
0 The number of 7ucks given
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2014.07.21 04:19:00 -
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by the way, the "on some maps you can't engage the heavy outside his optimal" argument is bullshit
guess how it is on every other map (and there are a lot of them?) WE are inside YOUR optimal. It's only fair that some maps are designed for heavies, because the vast majority of other maps are NOT designed for them
You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2551
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Posted - 2014.07.21 04:35:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:by the way, the "on some maps you can't engage the heavy outside his optimal" argument is bullshit
guess how it is on every other map (and there are a lot of them?) WE are inside YOUR optimal. It's only fair that some maps are designed for heavies, because the vast majority of other maps are NOT designed for them At least in PC every single map has a city and in Pubs I see a lot of either heavy's sticking to indoor objectives or murder taxing and hopping out with an HMG when they miss. BTW heavies sacrifice range so they can be ubber effective in CQC if you want range use a Rail Rifle on a commando.
Tanker/Logi
0 The number of 7ucks given
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Atiim
Commando Perkone Caldari State
10771
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Posted - 2014.07.21 05:00:00 -
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I remember when being a Sentinel required EFFORT.
Once a ScRub, always a sCRub.
-HAND
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2014.07.21 05:43:00 -
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by the way I've been trying out my GB-9 breach assault rifle on my advanced Gallogi with no equipment except a scanner and a compact hive, just slaying
and I literally have sprayed HMG users in the face, ran up to them and melee'd them to death
sorry to hear you guys are having so much trouble. Maybe you should try getting on my level?
You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
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