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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4319
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Posted - 2014.07.22 03:02:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe? Thats cause they're so underpowered. No, it's because Skeletor Voltron isn't an ******* like you. He's actually good at this game, and he makes other heavies look like scrubs. But NO! Heavies are skill-less crutch wielding noobs. I suppose TTW is just an average scout in an OP suit then...
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2014.07.22 03:58:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe? Thats cause they're so underpowered. No, it's because Skeletor Voltron isn't an ******* like you. He's actually good at this game, and he makes other heavies look like scrubs. But NO! Heavies are skill-less crutch wielding noobs. Yeah im a terribad nub scrub
Im so bad I even have to rely on my NK crutch to kill heavies
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3952
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:44:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: We need our DPS, not only because it makes our reaction time against scouts with REs and shottys balanced as of right now regardless of what the scouts want you to think, but for other heavies as well. If you lower that DPS, it takes away our ability to hold back crowds of heavies even more than the new overheat mechanic. If anything, THAT will detract from the skill based aspect of HMGs.
Balance HMG by shotgun scouts and other heavies.....let's disregard medium frames they don't matter, or scouts with any other weapon.... I don't mind an HMG having high DPS but you can't balance it by High DPS - Low HP and High DPS - High HP. You completely glance over the Medium DPS / Medium HP. I don't have a shotgun and I have low HP. Even at 40-50 meters an HMG scratches more HP off of me proportionally than I inflict with my weapon within it's optimal. I agree that if anything nerf HMG range, and hard. Keep optimal crunch effective and damage fall off. HMG range is being normalized at Advanced levels. Frankly I would be fine with normalizing it at Standard levels.
The low DPS Scout is designed to get in close and use high Alpha weapons to kill Sentinels while staying out of their field of fire by out maneuvering them. If you are using a low Alpha weapon at long range with a Scout you are giving up damage potential, and maneuverability.
Shooting Sentinels from outside their optimal range with a rifle is how medium frame suits kill Sentinels. It works because the damage they can inflict on the Sentinel is proportionally higher than the damage they receive, but it is a slim difference. You try that with a Scout and you will not have enough health to make it work (unless you brick tank it to imitate an Assault).
Using a rifle on a Scout is effective against most other suits, but by using a rifle you are giving up effectiveness against Sentinels, which is your decision and not a balance issue. That being said, you can still shoot them in the back, and then hide behind cover when they turn to see who is shooting them. When they donGÇÖt see you and turn back around you can shoot them again.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Lanius Pulvis
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
323
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:49:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:they need theyre dps adjusted...that whats happening be gratefull ccp has gone with a reasonable fix by lowering your insane dps..leaving you your high hp pools..as tanks (rpg role: the TANK) are meant to be shields not swords..your meant to cover us not stomp everything in sight.
personally i feel heavies hp is fine they just deal to much dps it brings them out of they're role..thankfully i think ccp agrees with me..and thats why they are nerfing the hmg.
The wall has high HP too...but you can walk around it. The thing that keeps the enemy off your back isn't us soaking up bullets, it's us melting anything that comes too close.
Are there issues, yes, and I hate seeing this Heavy spam after I worked so long to get decent with it pre 1.8. That doesn't mean we should go overboard to "balance" it into the ground though. I personally think the overheat adjustment is a good first step, and it should be battle-tested for a time before looking at rotation speed as a possible second step.
Not new, just new to you.
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Master Jaraiya
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1513
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:14:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:they need theyre dps adjusted...that whats happening be gratefull ccp has gone with a reasonable fix by lowering your insane dps..leaving you your high hp pools..as tanks (rpg role: the TANK) are meant to be shields not swords..your meant to cover us not stomp everything in sight.
personally i feel heavies hp is fine they just deal to much dps it brings them out of they're role..thankfully i think ccp agrees with me..and thats why they are nerfing the hmg. Seriously, Nobody anywhere in any game EVER, sees any kind of equivalent to the Sentinel/HMG combo, and thinks, "Wow! That looks awesome!! I think I'll play as that and go soak up bullets for my team and get a bunch of kill assists."
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
196
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:16:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:When people were honored to have a heavy in their squad. When Amarr was the only one, and it took real dedication to become fully skilled.
I remember those days, so nice, ahhh, when heaves would crouch and see who lasted the longest and when their role was special and rare, and when the suit was very expensive and made it unique. BUT...those days are over and aren't coming back.
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
Open Beta Vet 26mil sp
R.I.P Dust 514
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4055
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:37:00 -
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Flux MD, aim for the logi first. You may end up going down, but if you have folks behind you to finish the push you can usually clean them out. I'd recommend dropping an uplink nearby to continue push this way. It's not all that popular to continue to push objectives anymore, but you can break through the logi/heavy spam.
Too many people rolling solo and reverting to camping from afar after the first sign of trouble.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Currently on a quest to get all suits to ADV (8 remaining)
PSN: wbrom42
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boba's fetta
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
759
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:47:00 -
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as a fattie from before 1.8 please nerf heavyies. im bored of the spam and my templar suit just isnt much fun to use anymore.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3172
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Posted - 2014.07.23 13:57:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I remember when people RESPECTED the Sentinels.
So many Heavies ... half my team is Heavies. How does one know which Heavy to respect?
boba's fetta wrote:as a fattie from before 1.8 please nerf heavyies. im bored of the spam and my templar suit just isnt much fun to use anymore.
Aha! Respect the one with the spine.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
231
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:22:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:by the way I've been trying out my GB-9 breach assault rifle on my advanced Gallogi with no equipment except a scanner and a compact hive, just slaying
and I literally have sprayed HMG users in the face, ran up to them and melee'd them to death
sorry to hear you guys are having so much trouble. Maybe you should try getting on my level? lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol So you're so bad you can't kill a scout 10m in front of you with a 1200+ EHP monster that can unleash 910 DPS at prof. 5 with a boundless yet your so good you can melee a heavy to death after shooting him with a breach I think something's up.
RIP MAG, you will be missed.
MAG Vet ~ Raven
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2596
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Posted - 2014.07.23 17:07:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I saw a heavy drop 30-2 in PC the other day git gud maybe? Thats cause they're so underpowered. No, it's because Skeletor Voltron isn't an ******* like you. He's actually good at this game, and he makes other heavies look like scrubs. But NO! Heavies are skill-less crutch wielding noobs. While yes I would probably put Skeletor Voltron up their on my list of top heavies have you ever actually talked him? Even he admits heavies are OP.
Tanker/Logi
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
166
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:42:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:When people were honored to have a heavy in their squad. When Amarr was the only one, and it took real dedication to become fully skilled.
You people are blaming us for something that isn't our fault. It was the 1.8 dropsuit respec, the 2 million clone challenge, and the other events that boosted everyone's SP so high that we could essentially pick whatever we wanted.
That's why there are a bunch of skill-less heavies running around. That is your "heavy spam."
We do NOT have an easy time of mindlessly slaughtering everything in our paths. We get slaughtered by remotes, scouts, other heavies, rifles from a distance, multiple enemies purposely hunting us down, turning on us and shooting as soon as we pop out of cover.
You people are really starting to be insulting, and rude about your heavy QQ. We are not hiding behind our crutch. We are not playing Dust on easy mode. We are going out there, and we are being absolutely obliterated just like everyone else on the battlefield.
We put our asses on the line for YOU, in places that YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO, placing ourselves in mortal danger in front of crowds of enemy infantry to keep them away from YOUR OBJECTIVES. We are the #1 hard counter to enemy scouts that YOU WOULD GET OVERWHELMED BY IF IT WASN'T FOR US.
I have sat in Planetary Conquest battles and constantly taken abuse from the enemy, following the orders of my Field Commanders. I have literally sat there and felt like a helpless ragdoll while I spawned in and got orbitaled, spawned in and got pinned down by rifles on top of buildings, spawned in and sacrificed myself to kill 2 or 3 enemies with me.
WE TAKE THE ABUSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Stop making excuses and realize that you are hateful, and spiteful and just want take what's ours away from us because for some idiotic reason, YOU think it should be completely okay to waltz right into a crowd of heavies instead of oh, I don't know?
Picking them off one by one with a Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle? Melting them all at once with a Laser Rifle? Blowing them all to Hell with Remotes? Hunting them down and shooting them in the backs with a Shotty instead of expecting to be able to walk right in front of and wave "hello! I'm a scrub who thinks you shouldn't be instamelting me right now!"
Everything kills heavies, and does it well. Every single weapon in this game. Even the Assault Rifle isn't the poster boy for weakness anymore. Stop blaming us for your inability to kill us with the multitude of ways you could easily pick every one of us off one by one. Because it happens to me every time I turn on Dust.
We are there to make the difference on the battlefield. Even to help you kill the hostile heavies. Respect us and stop demanding unwarranted, illogical nerfs that will solve nothing.
I am nowhere near the only one who thinks that heavies are balanced right now. Almost everyone I talk to in-game agrees with me. Only on the forums do I find such opposition and it's not right.
We sit there and endure the pain right up until the last drop of our HP to keep the enemy off your objectives. Heavies are a little op, they are getting nerfed slightly, hmg heat and all, maybe that will take the edge off. Assaults getting buffed will help.
Heavies are a powerful class with great killing ability. But restricted playstyles where thngs like speed, agility, jump height are required. Range limitations make them less useful in the open.
To me the heavy with an hmg is a great first role to spec. I have recommended it to many new players. Other roles are more mobile, faster paced. Can run scouts more solo.
Maybe alot of new players have speced this role.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
33
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:52:00 -
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I waited for cal heavy. I run a cardiac on the right. I laugh at the proton streams as people try to bust my ghost. I can burst fire every single round from any hmg and not overheat, and will continue to do so after Charlie. I don't want your respect. I want your intestines.
"Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
166
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Posted - 2014.07.23 19:57:00 -
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Devadander wrote:I waited for cal heavy. I run a cardiac on the right. I laugh at the proton streams as people try to bust my ghost. I can burst fire every single round from any hmg and not overheat, and will continue to do so after Charlie. I don't want your respect. I want your intestines. Your ghost???
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
33
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:01:00 -
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the rep tools have always made me think of ghostbusters xD
cal heavy cares not for triage, only ammo
"Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
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Arcturis Vanguard
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
215
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Posted - 2014.07.24 22:52:00 -
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You know what....fuc it. Nerf my heavy into the ground again. Please. I liked it better when I was but a couple on the battle field.
Give me back the hmg when damage was only dealt when the small ridicule was on the enemy. Give me back the suit with no bonus to reduce damage taken. Give me a heavy suit where scrubs cannot put on light weapons instead of the intended heavy weapon.
Get rid of the wanna be' s so I'm not longer "grouped" with these so called FOTM chasers even though I'm a fully skilled hmg and forge gunner. This suit was my first love and will always be so. Just nerf me again because it hurts so good
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1366
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Posted - 2014.07.25 12:48:00 -
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Pepperidge farm remembers.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
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Deathonswift
Kartharax
20
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:17:00 -
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Who else finds it entertaining when a heavy uses an LAV to get close to people and then hop out to mow them all down with his HMG? Someone did this to me twice in the same match, so I entertained him for a third time by running my proto Amarr Assault class. He jumps out, gets fluxed, and utterly dominated by my Prototype ASCR... Ahhh, good times.
Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
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Evolution-7
The Rainbow Effect
606
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:47:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:When people were honored to have a heavy in their squad. When Amarr was the only one, and it took real dedication to become fully skilled.
You people are blaming us for something that isn't our fault. It was the 1.8 dropsuit respec, the 2 million clone challenge, and the other events that boosted everyone's SP so high that we could essentially pick whatever we wanted.
That's why there are a bunch of skill-less heavies running around. That is your "heavy spam."
We do NOT have an easy time of mindlessly slaughtering everything in our paths. We get slaughtered by remotes, scouts, other heavies, rifles from a distance, multiple enemies purposely hunting us down, turning on us and shooting as soon as we pop out of cover.
You people are really starting to be insulting, and rude about your heavy QQ. We are not hiding behind our crutch. We are not playing Dust on easy mode. We are going out there, and we are being absolutely obliterated just like everyone else on the battlefield.
We put our asses on the line for YOU, in places that YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO, placing ourselves in mortal danger in front of crowds of enemy infantry to keep them away from YOUR OBJECTIVES. We are the #1 hard counter to enemy scouts that YOU WOULD GET OVERWHELMED BY IF IT WASN'T FOR US.
I have sat in Planetary Conquest battles and constantly taken abuse from the enemy, following the orders of my Field Commanders. I have literally sat there and felt like a helpless ragdoll while I spawned in and got orbitaled, spawned in and got pinned down by rifles on top of buildings, spawned in and sacrificed myself to kill 2 or 3 enemies with me.
WE TAKE THE ABUSE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Stop making excuses and realize that you are hateful, and spiteful and just want take what's ours away from us because for some idiotic reason, YOU think it should be completely okay to waltz right into a crowd of heavies instead of oh, I don't know?
Picking them off one by one with a Rail Rifle or Combat Rifle? Melting them all at once with a Laser Rifle? Blowing them all to Hell with Remotes? Hunting them down and shooting them in the backs with a Shotty instead of expecting to be able to walk right in front of and wave "hello! I'm a scrub who thinks you shouldn't be instamelting me right now!"
Everything kills heavies, and does it well. Every single weapon in this game. Even the Assault Rifle isn't the poster boy for weakness anymore. Stop blaming us for your inability to kill us with the multitude of ways you could easily pick every one of us off one by one. Because it happens to me every time I turn on Dust.
We are there to make the difference on the battlefield. Even to help you kill the hostile heavies. Respect us and stop demanding unwarranted, illogical nerfs that will solve nothing.
I am nowhere near the only one who thinks that heavies are balanced right now. Almost everyone I talk to in-game agrees with me. Only on the forums do I find such opposition and it's not right.
We sit there and endure the pain right up until the last drop of our HP to keep the enemy off your objectives.
Same thing with dropships, its about to get even worse with the price decrease. I forsee a future of many rampant rammers.
EVE: LEGION ON PS4
RIP DUST. So much potential, December 2011 to May 2014
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1885
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:20:00 -
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Excuse me while I walk in here. I came for the giant fountain of tears.
Yes I need to bathe, and clean the donut glaze off my fat armor. These tears are both delicious and cleansing.
Even with the HMG getting a range and heat nerf people still are crying that it's OP even when Assaults are getting a massive boost. Never mind the fitting nerf.
This is so bloody hilarious I can't even contain myself.
Yes, the HMG is a high DPS monstrosity in close. It's supposed to be. Why? Because everyone crybabied that it was unfair for heavies to be effective at range back in beta. Now we're effective in close, and THAT is unfair.
Hate to break it to ya kiddies, but heavy weapons do require a certain firepower advantage SOMEWHERE, otherwise heavies go back to being nothing more than slow, easy-to-shoot warpoint pinatas. We rip faces off in CQC.
Scouts can kill us.
Remote explosives can kill us.
Rifles (who aren't weilded by people who are all "FATTY!!! I MUST RUN RIGHT AT HIM!") can kill us.
Vehicles can kill us...
Tripping and falling down stairs is a common cause of death...
But people aren't even looking to see how the assault buff plays out. It might be that assaults will wind up in a very good place. But I hear a lot of chicken little screaming that the sky is falling.
My HMG does insane DPS. Get over it. At anything above 30 meters I'm more like a chubby marshmallow that runs forward shooting slowly and inaccurately while you outrun me backing up aiming down sights at me, stripping away my precious layers of protection.
Heavies are overpowered. Boo hoo.
And scouts screaming that we're OP are a buncha idiots. We're supposed to be the CQC monsters, not free easy kills for shotguns and nova knives. |
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