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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11923	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:16:00 - [1] - Quote I am requesting this for a third time CCP Rattati, I am also well aware this will probably require a Clientside update, but at some point this has to be done. I as a player am being bled right out of this game because its core content is not present. Please Amarr/Khanid HAV (GoldeN Caldari Hull with Armour focus) 80GJ Heavy Pulse Laser ( Blaster Turret with EM and damage model proposed from Sisi as well as Green rounds) Republic Minmatar HAV (Gallente Hull with Armour Focus) 220mm Heavy Artillery (Railgun with Anti Armour focus and Explosive Damage) 40mm Auto Canon (Small Blaster Turret with Projectile) 20GJ Scrambler Lances (Small Rails with Anti Shield damage) Please dammit I've been begging for Amarr and Min vehicle content for 11 goddamn months now. I don't understand why this is not a Dust Side Focus. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2097	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:31:00 - [2] - Quote I want my Khanid vehicles True Adamance wrote: I am requesting this for a third time CCP Rattati, I am also well aware this will probably require a Clientside update, but at some point this has to be done. I as a player am being bled right out of this game because its core content is not present. Please Amarr/Khanid HAV (GoldeN Caldari Hull with Armour focus) 80GJ Heavy Pulse Laser ( Blaster Turret with EM and damage model proposed from Sisi as well as Green rounds) Republic Minmatar HAV (Gallente Hull with Armour Focus) 220mm Heavy Artillery (Railgun with Anti Armour focus and Explosive Damage) 40mm Auto Canon (Small Blaster Turret with Projectile) 20GJ Scrambler Lances (Small Rails with Anti Shield damage) Please dammit I've been begging for Amarr and Min vehicle content for 11 goddamn months now. I don't understand why this is not a Dust Side Focus. I think Minmatar HAV should be equally viable for either shield or armor, though not as much as Caldari or Amarr, but with a focus on mobility. The next client update (I still remain hopeful for a meaningful client update for Dust as Legion is still a long ways out) MUST finish vehicles. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3579	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:32:00 - [3] - Quote Wont happend like ever.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11926	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:33:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Wont happend like ever. Not asking you. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 646	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:38:00 - [5] - Quote Second. Alt of Halla Murr.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1712	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:46:00 - [6] - Quote The frames would work better the other way around. Amarr tend to be more rounded (like church arches) and Minmatar are more angular (because their equipment is a trash heap).
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2492	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:54:00 - [7] - Quote As long as it shoots straight Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14617	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:56:00 - [8] - Quote What makes HAVs a priority over LAVs and Dropships? Sucks but this totally isn't going to happen, the sooner you accept it and move on, the happier you'll be. The Future
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11927	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:13:00 - [9] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The frames would work better the other way around. Amarr tend to be more rounded (like church arches) and Minmatar are more angular (because their equipment is a trash heap). You see this is where I disagree. I am thinking of this from more of a lore based perspective. Since they are place holder models they need to looks like their own tech. As such I am thinking of it more from a Khanid Innovations Caldari link perspective since the Caldari and Amarr work closely together to produce tech just like the Federation as part of its financial support for the MInmatar would send the defective Madrugar and Soma off to the Republic for repurposing. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11927	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:14:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What makes HAVs a priority over LAVs and Dropships? Sucks but this totally isn't going to happen, the sooner you accept it and move on, the happier you'll be. To be fair I am not qualified to make comments on the LAV or ADS the point still stands though and I am willing to take suggestions. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon

Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10585	Posted - 2014.07.17 05:45:00 - [11] - Quote I'm never gonna get my hands on a Matari SLAV. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4139	Posted - 2014.07.17 11:20:00 - [12] - Quote Minmatar tank needs to be red/brown 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 865	Posted - 2014.07.17 12:38:00 - [13] - Quote It would be nice to have place holder models for new weapons or vehicles, but would CCP allow that quality to slide? Even if their player base supports the idea? Medium frame EHP is not medium
Takahashi Kashuken Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 134	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:17:00 - [14] - Quote Wont happen
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 688	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:19:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Please I always thought of racial variants as a possibility for ADV HAVs. Gallente receive a Madrugar with a free inbuilt basic heavy armor repper. Amarr receive a Madrugar with a free inbuilt basic heavy armor plate (including speed penalty). Caldari receive a Gunnlogi with a free inbuilt basic heavy shield extender. Minmatar receive a Gunnlogi with a free inbuilt (probably better than basic) overdrive and lowered shield recharge delay. Features of this solution: - Armor HAVs look like armor HAVs and shield HAVs look like shield HAVs. Intuitive! - Effects on balance are comparatively easy to see, we already know how powerful these modules are in comparison. - No need to balance new slot layouts and CPU/PG changes. Simplicity! - The system can be applied to LAVs and dropships just the same. I don't really use HAVs, but I'm on FG duty quite often. I think I could deal with an ADV HAV like that if I had some minor help by another player. Edit: By the way, if you think an Amarr-like Gallente HAV is an issue I will gladly introduce you to the Tactical Assault Rifle and the Assault Scrambler Rifle.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3893	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:29:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I am requesting this for a third time CCP Rattati, I am also well aware this will probably require a Clientside update, but at some point this has to be done. I as a player am being bled right out of this game because its core content is not present. Please Amarr/Khanid HAV (GoldeN Caldari Hull with Armour focus) 80GJ Heavy Pulse Laser ( Blaster Turret with EM and damage model proposed from Sisi as well as Green rounds) Republic Minmatar HAV (Gallente Hull with Armour Focus) 220mm Heavy Artillery (Railgun with Anti Armour focus and Explosive Damage) 40mm Auto Canon (Small Blaster Turret with Projectile) 20GJ Scrambler Lances (Small Rails with Anti Shield damage) Please dammit I've been begging for Amarr and Min vehicle content for 11 goddamn months now. I don't understand why this is not a Dust Side Focus. I agree with the idea, but I disagree with your suggested implementation. Ammar: Smooth rounded hauls. Minmitar: Flat and angled halls. Often looks like sheet mettle welded together. Therefore: Ammar should use Gallente vehicle models with shiny gold and red skins. Minmitar should use Caldari vehicle models with rust red/brown skins that show rivet and weld markings. As you say, this would not require any new models be created, only reskinning existing models. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3894	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:36:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What makes HAVs a priority over LAVs and Dropships? Sucks but this totally isn't going to happen, the sooner you accept it and move on, the happier you'll be. Could and should be done for all vehicles. Could happen, because while it requires a client side patch (Rettati has indicated there may be a client side patch after a few more hot fixes), it does not require creation of new models. They are not going to spend the time to try to optimize new models to the point they could get them to work on the PS3, but creating new skins for existing models in a completely different story. I think that is totally possible! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3894	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:42:00 - [18] - Quote medomai grey wrote: It would be nice to have place holder models for new weapons or vehicles, but would CCP allow that quality to slide? Even if their player base supports the idea? It would allow for vehicle balance to be worked on in DUST with multiple iterations to get the 4 racial vehicles balanced against each other. This would allow all the base combat balancing to be done before Legion even goes to beta, so they donGÇÖt have to worry so much about balancing issues and can concentrate on other aspects of the game. It would be a great benefit to CCP to do this. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3894	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:50:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The frames would work better the other way around. Amarr tend to be more rounded (like church arches) and Minmatar are more angular (because their equipment is a trash heap). You see this is where I disagree. I am thinking of this from more of a lore based perspective. Since they are place holder models they need to looks like their own tech. As such I am thinking of it more from a Khanid Innovations Caldari link perspective since the Caldari and Amarr work closely together to produce tech just like the Federation as part of its financial support for the MInmatar would send the defective Madrugar and Soma off to the Republic for repurposing. I would rather assume that form followed function so that the two races who use curvy armour tanked hulls came up with vehicles that looked similar, and the same for the two races which favour flat angular designs. A lot can be done with the skins to make them look different. For instance a lot of the seams and body panels are just shading in the skin rather than creases in the model. The skins for the Amarr and Minmitar vehicles could be different so that while the vehicles would have the same base shape as the Gallente and Caldari vehicles, they would have different body panel configurations and look like different vehicles. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8819	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:02:00 - [20] - Quote It's not really about the racial factor as much as it is having all the damage/tanking types in vehicles for a well rounded/balanced game. I'd say the first priority is having turrets with a laser damage profile as well as turrets with a projectile damage profile. Next it would be important to have the vehicles with slow movement in exchange for large armor buffer as well as vehicles with high speed in exchange for little buffer. Again, since the main reason this is ~~important~~ critical to gameplay is to have the full spectrum of damage types and tanking types, all that really needs to be added to the game are numbers (which can be done!). New models for these vehicles and turrets are purely aesthetic and thus not absolutely necessary, so reuse the existing models if you must. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble

sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 297	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:24:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Wont happend like ever. Not asking you. Place holders won't happen ever. Considering the assets for the genuine Amarr and Minmatar tanks have probably been generated and are sitting around on a hard disk somewhere, what's the point? It should all appear in Legion on day one, but who knows. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8822	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:30:00 - [22] - Quote sabre prime wrote: True Adamance wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Wont happend like ever. Not asking you. Place holders won't happen ever. Considering the assets for the genuine Amarr and Minmatar tanks have probably been generated and are sitting around on a hard disk somewhere, what's the point? It should all appear in Legion on day one, but who knows. No one said place holders won't happen ever. While the assets for Amarr/Minmatar vehicles and turrets are probably sitting around somewhere, they are not in the current client we all have downloaded on our PS3 meaning they would need to be added with a client side update (patch), which costs time and money. Using placeholders would be quicker and cheaper. This content needs to be added into Dust before Legion so for one we can have a fully rounded/balanced spectrum of damage types and tanking types in vehicle gameplay and also see how they all balance together instead of waiting until Legion, risking it not being very balanced in Legion, and then tarnishing the brand to some. When Legion launches CCP should want it to be as damn near complete and balanced as possible so they can get good initial media review and focus on expanding the game instead of fleshing it out. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2380	Posted - 2014.07.17 17:54:00 - [23] - Quote Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11981	Posted - 2014.07.17 19:44:00 - [24] - Quote sabre prime wrote: True Adamance wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Wont happend like ever. Not asking you. Place holders won't happen ever. Considering the assets for the genuine Amarr and Minmatar tanks have probably been generated and are sitting around on a hard disk somewhere, what's the point? It should all appear in Legion on day one, but who knows. Then where are these assets? Why can't we see concept art for them? 4 times over the past 11 months I have petitioned CCP for even the rough sketches of these bloody things! "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 700	Posted - 2014.07.17 19:56:00 - [25] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2381	Posted - 2014.07.17 19:57:00 - [26] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. Yet Amarr Sentinels have 2/3 and Gallente have 1/4? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8826	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:03:00 - [27] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. Yet Amarr Sentinels have 2/3 and Gallente have 1/4? Not for long, they are fixing it to be more in line with EVE. Hotfix Charlie is proposing Amarr Sentinel have 1/4 and Gallente Sentinel have 2/3 Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11981	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:04:00 - [28] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. Pretty much ForeverETC....but I don't see what we can have both Gal and Amarr can't have 1H 4 L "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2381	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:14:00 - [29] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. Yet Amarr Sentinels have 2/3 and Gallente have 1/4? Not for long, they are fixing it to be more in line with EVE. Hotfix Charlie is proposing Amarr Sentinel have 1/4 and Gallente Sentinel have 2/3 shrugs fair enough, as long as it's consistent that's what I care about. regardless, I think its safe to say there is a demand for a 4/1 and a 1/4 variant of HAVs, and similar variants for the other vehicles. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11982	Posted - 2014.07.17 20:17:00 - [30] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly from the way slots are done and compared to dropsuits, what we currently have are the Amarr (2 Highs, 3 Lows) and the Minmatar (3 Highs, 2 Low). I think the idea of bringing in Type-II variants of the existing vehicles is a great idea. Type-II dropsuits were used in the Beta to replicate racial dropsuits because the art assets were not ready, and I think the same principle is applicable here. Using HAVs as an example Gunnlogi 3 High 2 Low (Minmatar) Gunnlogi Type-II 4 High 1 Low (Caldari) Madrugar 2 High 3 Low (Amarr) Madrugar Type-II 1 High 4 Low (Gallente) Amarr are Armor Tankers so it should be 1H 4L, and Gallente 2H 3L. Yet Amarr Sentinels have 2/3 and Gallente have 1/4? Not for long, they are fixing it to be more in line with EVE. Hotfix Charlie is proposing Amarr Sentinel have 1/4 and Gallente Sentinel have 2/3 shrugs fair enough, as long as it's consistent that's what I care about. regardless, I think its safe to say there is a demand for a 4/1 and a 1/4 variant of HAVs, and similar variants for the other vehicles. Pffffff its not about slot lay outs dude. I could care less about slots. It's about damn time for racial parity. 18 months I've been playing this game, 2+ years its been in beta...... when will CCP develop the damn art assets for this core content? "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon



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