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Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 645	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:37:00 - [1] - Quote Should Sentinels be restricted to only heavy weapons in their heavy weapons slot? Commandos are the only heavy suits that should be able to wield light weapons IMHO. It's their specialty. Discuss. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 241	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:45:00 - [2] - Quote this topic was thoroughly discussed and laughed off the front page months ago....where were you?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4902	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:46:00 - [3] - Quote Perhaps when the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar are released. What's that? They aren't going to be??? Well then GTFO RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2207	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:48:00 - [4] - Quote What if there were a penalty of some kind? Reduction to light weapon range OR Reduction to reload etc. I wanted to make the OR stand out because I would be careful not to add too many restrictions, if one small one doesn't create a significant enough sacrifice, then another small penalty can be added. I think there should be battlefield variety, but I think there should be a little sacrifice without it being so significant to render the variations completely useless. This is how a minja feels
Lynn Beck EnvyUs. 1975	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:04:00 - [5] - Quote Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
vlad stoich Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun.
Tectonic Fusion 1812	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:16:00 - [7] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun. The scout doesn't have an exoskeleton to hold it.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2944	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:17:00 - [8] - Quote Everytime I see a prototype sentinel with +1000 EHP and a SB-39 Rail Rifle. I laugh, the fact that they have to go to these extremes just shows how scrubby they are, then when I kill them I laugh even more, because all their scrubbieness still can't save them from skill. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Atiim Fooly Cooly. 10047	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:24:00 - [9] - Quote I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. Taking Care of The Pilot Infestation in North American Skirmish -HAND
vlad stoich Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun. The scout doesn't have an exoskeleton to hold it. Then my logi can carry it with nanohives. Thanks

Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2191	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:33:00 - [11] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun. The scout doesn't have an exoskeleton to hold it. If there's one thing I want in my sci-fi FPS, it's rock-solid realism. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Seriously. Think about it.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10587	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:34:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
lunatis orrak Battlefield Brawlers 31	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun. The scout doesn't have an exoskeleton to hold it. If there's one thing I want in my sci-fi FPS, it's rock-solid realism. Lol CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE `!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS! The leash is not for your protection`
Denchlad 7 The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:36:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 5 to go.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2666	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:37:00 - [15] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Perhaps when the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar are released. What's that? They aren't going to be??? Well then GTFO I think my assault should be able to use an hmg. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 194	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:42:00 - [16] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: this topic was thoroughly discussed and laughed off the front page months ago....where were you? As if once a topic is ever broached all other forum goers are forbidden to discuss said topic whether they were aware of it or not. Seymour, are you a bully in real life? I always thought better of you. Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2945	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:43:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. You can't outrange a suit, but you can outrange the HMG My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3367	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:55:00 - [18] - Quote Heavys with light weapons are scrubs with terrible aim. To be honest i prefer a scrub with a light weapon then a scrub with a spray and pray machine where he just has to hold the trigger and aim in my general direction. Cause those guys are usually easy kills.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:02:00 - [19] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Should Sentinels be restricted to only heavy weapons in their heavy weapons slot? Commandos are the only heavy suits that should be able to wield light weapons IMHO. It's their specialty. Discuss. Noones complaining about it and theyre super easy to kill anyways.Why take away variety from this game?,look what it did to tanking it made it bland and unintresting.
vlad stoich Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:09:00 - [20] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Perhaps when the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar are released. What's that? They aren't going to be??? Well then GTFO I think my assault should be able to use an hmg. Absolutely with a cloak.

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3444	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:11:00 - [21] - Quote CCP agrees with you and will be restricting the heavy to heavy only weapons. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2194	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:12:00 - [22] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Perhaps when the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar are released. What's that? They aren't going to be??? Well then GTFO I think my assault should be able to use an hmg. Absolutely with a cloak. Heck, cloak the HAVs and LAVs and ADSes too! K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Seriously. Think about it.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 849	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:19:00 - [23] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' Then by your logic let my scout run around with a forge gun. The scout doesn't have an exoskeleton to hold it. Not to mention the gun weighs more than the scout. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust, theme
vlad stoich Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 178	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:20:00 - [24] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Perhaps when the Scrambler Lance and Plasma Mortar are released. What's that? They aren't going to be??? Well then GTFO I think my assault should be able to use an hmg. Absolutely with a cloak. Heck, cloak the HAVs and LAVs and ADSes too! Whoa whoa whoa tiger, don't go giving them any ideas. Could you imagine the tears? Could you imagine seeing it happen? Drives right past you cloaked but still shows up on passives? Then railguns you like a shotgunner.
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 169	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:26:00 - [25] - Quote The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. This sums up 100% of the forum posts after Fanfest 2014.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 651	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:29:00 - [26] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: this topic was thoroughly discussed and laughed off the front page months ago....where were you? Not here. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 652	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:51:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. .. This is actually a very good point you bring up. Also, thanks for not being defensive. +1 pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14514	Posted - 2014.06.30 21:56:00 - [28] - Quote Hmmm Should I fit my HMG, my HMG, the HMG, or maybe the HMG today? I'm trying to break out of the mold so I think I might go with an HMG, but I guess if I wanted to change things up I could try the HMG or maybe even the HMG if I'm feeling frisky. I could just be a rebel though and fit the HMG Decisions decisions.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3932	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote I could care less about sentinels with light weapons. The game is supposed to be about freedom of choices so let them. I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
axINVICTUSxa DETHDEALERS RISE of LEGION 151	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:20:00 - [30] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What if there were a penalty of some kind? Reduction to light weapon range OR Reduction to reload etc. I wanted to make the OR stand out because I would be careful not to add too many restrictions, if one small one doesn't create a significant enough sacrifice, then another small penalty can be added. I think there should be battlefield variety, but I think there should be a little sacrifice without it being so significant to render the variations completely useless. Exactly my opinion. Marginal thinking, not extreme fixes. That only leads to QQ, if you slowly lower stats of anything, just so minor that players hardly notice, eventually you can take away big stats and make them small after a number of "releases and fixes" Wherever the Wind (Aero) might take me, may it ever be True, for the way of the Commando is noble and right.

Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 417	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:34:00 - [31] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2670	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:38:00 - [32] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Nice argument. Oh a shotgun can kill me in 3 shots so we're balanced. Hmm you missed the part where not everyone runs scouts or shotguns. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2196	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:42:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hmmm Should I fit my HMG, my HMG, the HMG, or maybe the HMG today? I'm trying to break out of the mold so I think I might go with an HMG, but I guess if I wanted to change things up I could try the HMG or maybe even the HMG if I'm feeling frisky. I could just be a rebel though and fit the HMG Decisions decisions. What this game needs is a light HMG. And a JRAV to go between the LAV and the HAV. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Seriously. Think about it.
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 417	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:45:00 - [34] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Nice argument. Oh a shotgun can kill me in 3 shots so we're balanced. Hmm you missed the part where not everyone runs scouts or shotguns. This is a specific response to the turn radius argument. What other reason is there for slowing down the turn radius other than making it easy for scouts to sneak and shot them without fear of reprisal? I do happen to know there are plenty of people who don't run Shotgun scout. Anyone else who is not running SG or Nova knife just needs to stay outside optimal HMG range and take a Sentinel down slowly. I still don't see how that justifies making Sentinels even easier targets while at the same time making it harder for them to defend themselves. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 479	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:47:00 - [35] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Should Sentinels be restricted to only heavy weapons in their heavy weapons slot? Commandos are the only heavy suits that should be able to wield light weapons IMHO. It's their specialty. Discuss. Commandos and Mexicans, its THEIR thing, like a spoiler on a POS 97 Honda Accord. We dont know why they do it. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2671	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:49:00 - [36] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Nice argument. Oh a shotgun can kill me in 3 shots so we're balanced. Hmm you missed the part where not everyone runs scouts or shotguns. This is a specific response to the turn radius argument. What other reason is there for slowing down the turn radius other than making it easy for scouts to sneak and shot them without fear of reprisal? I do happen to know there are plenty of people who don't run Shotgun scout. Anyone else who is not running SG or Nova knife just needs to stay outside optimal HMG range and take a Sentinel down slowly. I still don't see how that justifies making Sentinels even easier targets while at the same time making it harder for them to defend themselves. Idc about that honestly. But the hmg needs a range adjustment but right now its range is a bit much which I think the real problem is. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 479	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:49:00 - [37] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Nice argument. Oh a shotgun can kill me in 3 shots so we're balanced. Hmm you missed the part where not everyone runs scouts or shotguns. If you are not running one then the fatties turn speed shouldn't matter. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1093	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:53:00 - [38] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Should Sentinels be restricted to only heavy weapons in their heavy weapons slot? Commandos are the only heavy suits that should be able to wield light weapons IMHO. It's their specialty. Discuss. Artificial restriction. Not needed. :-S
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 479	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:54:00 - [39] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. You are new here, so let me help you out. No. This was tried over a year ago and it made sentinels sucks, back when scouts did to. All you would have to do to beat a heavy is get in close on cqc then turn the same way he turns and he could never hit you. This is an old idea, a bad idea, and a dumb idea. Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2671	Posted - 2014.06.30 23:59:00 - [40] - Quote INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: The biggest thing that needs to happen to all heavy suits is to make their turning speed extremely slow. That is the real big problem with heavy suits in general. Max out the turning speed at something like 1/3 the turning speed of a medium frame. Heavies should be monsters. They way they should work is if you get in front of them, you die, but if you are to the side and behind them, they are vulnerable. No. No. No. Sentinels are already vulnerable from behind. A (good) shotgun scout can get 3 shots off into the back of a Sentinel before he has a chance to return fire. A bad shotgun scout can usually get at least 2 off and then dance/jump 8 feet in the air long enough to shoot the heavy one more time and kill him. Why does everybody want to make Sentinels absolutely defenseless unless the attacker is stupid enough to try and take heavy head on? No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, and just in case that isn't clear enough, HELL no. Nice argument. Oh a shotgun can kill me in 3 shots so we're balanced. Hmm you missed the part where not everyone runs scouts or shotguns. If you are not running one then the fatties turn speed shouldn't matter. I didn't say it did. I was just pointing out a flaw in the argument. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 418	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:05:00 - [41] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: . Idc about that honestly. But the hmg needs a range adjustment but right now its range is a bit much which I think the real problem is.[/quote] Range adjustment is a better solution than turn radius. They tried the turn radius nerf a while ago and it was an absolute disaster. However, I want to be extremely careful about even cutting range down. Right now 90% of the maps are open terrain. There are few places a Sentinel w/ HMG can go that he won't get picked off by someone using a CR, RR, AR and he is unable to return fire on. Anyone outside much more than 25-30 meters will be fairly safe (with a standard HMG, not Assault). Anyone outside 40 meters can just sit and laugh as he tears the Sentinel to shreds with any of the aforementioned weapons, especially the Rail Rifle. It is not uncommon for me to get chopped at 85-90 Meters. There is no way in the world even an Assault HMG is going to do any damage at that range. A CR can reach out to 50 without any major problems. The HMG has the shortest range of any weapon in the game outside Shotgun/Nova Knife. I would say 90% of my kills with an HMG are withing 15 meters. Not disagreeing with you completely, because I can see a case being made for the argument. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2671	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:08:00 - [42] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: . Idc about that honestly. But the hmg needs a range adjustment but right now its range is a bit much which I think the real problem is. Range adjustment is a better solution than turn radius. They tried the turn radius nerf a while ago and it was an absolute disaster. However, I want to be extremely careful about even cutting range down. Right now 90% of the maps are open terrain. There are few places a Sentinel w/ HMG can go that he won't get picked off by someone using a CR, RR, AR and he is unable to return fire on. Anyone outside much more than 25-30 meters will be fairly safe (with a standard HMG, not Assault). Anyone outside 40 meters can just sit and laugh as he tears the Sentinel to shreds with any of the aforementioned weapons, especially the Rail Rifle. It is not uncommon for me to get chopped at 85-90 Meters. There is no way in the world even an Assault HMG is going to do any damage at that range. A CR can reach out to 50 without any major problems. The HMG has the shortest range of any weapon in the game outside Shotgun/Nova Knife. I would say 90% of my kills with an HMG are withing 15 meters. Not disagreeing with you completely, because I can see a case being made for the argument. [/quote] I agree with this. But It doesn't need to be decreased by much, I don't want it broken/useless. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:09:00 - [43] - Quote lol fail quoting
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:18:00 - [44] - Quote Bpo sentinel + bpo exile is worry free tear harvester
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 418	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:47:00 - [45] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: lol fail quoting Epic Fail on my part. I'll take it. I jacked it completely up. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:50:00 - [46] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: lol fail quoting Epic Fail on my part. I'll take it. I jacked it completely up. It's cool bro, only messing around
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 14	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:52:00 - [47] - Quote Yes i really HATE stupid scrubs with fricking sentinels with light weapons like rail rifles.That's like giving a proto scout with a cloak a boundless HMG. When i kill then i spend a couple minites teabagging the heck out of them CCP stop this BS
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 130	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:54:00 - [48] - Quote I gave one of those heavies with RRs a hell of a time with my TAR Gallogi. The tactical's still too weak to kill his pansy ass though. I refuse to use a light weapon on my Amarr Sentinel for this very reason: I tried the Assault HMG, and I hated when a scout got too close and it didn't insta-melt him. Plus, my ScP is just as good as any light weapon. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:54:00 - [49] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Yes i really HATE stupid scrubs with fricking sentinels with light weapons like rail rifles. When i kill then i spend a couple minites teabagging the heck out of them I will be sure to greet you in my galsen with a duvolle.
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 14	Posted - 2014.07.01 00:56:00 - [50] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: I gave one of those heavies with RRs a hell of a time with my TAR Gallogi. The tactical's still too weak to kill his pansy ass though. I refuse to use a light weapon on my Amarr Sentinel for this very reason: I tried the Assault HMG, and I hated when a scout got too close and it didn't insta-melt him. Plus, my ScP is just as good as any light weapon. Dual Carthum Assualt Scrambler Pistols

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2674	Posted - 2014.07.01 01:01:00 - [51] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: lol fail quoting Epic Fail on my part. I'll take it. I jacked it completely up. No worries idk how to work quotes anyways lol. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Atiim Fooly Cooly. 10065	Posted - 2014.07.01 02:03:00 - [52] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Not to mention the gun weighs more than the scout. CCP has released information stating the weight of the Scout Suit and the HMG? Where can I find this? Taking Care of The Pilot Infestation in North American Skirmish -HAND
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5526	Posted - 2014.07.01 02:08:00 - [53] - Quote Absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be able to use light weapons. It's like not allowing you to put a sidearm in a light weapon slot- no point in it because light weapons are better than sidearms, anyway. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Bax Zanith 180	Posted - 2014.07.01 03:08:00 - [54] - Quote I hardly see light weapone heavies anymore. Normaly they have a scrambler rifle when I see them. Iv also noticed they tipicly use standard level suits and weapons. If you ask me, I think that they might just be new players attempting to defend themselves from the constant protostomping. If I am correct than any of you complaining about heavies with light weapons only have yourselves to blame. They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
Justice Prevails 277	Posted - 2014.07.01 04:01:00 - [55] - Quote Been seeing this more and more lately. At first, thought WTF, but now I see it more of an evolutionary thing. Your medium assault becomes obsolete getting OHKd by cloaked shotguns and eaten by HMG s You don't want to go scout or commando(suit) HMG is cool but has limited range on wide open maps What to they tell the QQers on this forum? Adapt or die. Well, they have adapted. Embracing my inner scrub since 2013.
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 171	Posted - 2014.07.01 17:29:00 - [56] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: This is a specific response to the turn radius argument. What other reason is there for slowing down the turn radius other than making it easy for scouts to sneak and shot them without fear of reprisal? I do happen to know there are plenty of people who don't run Shotgun scout. Anyone else who is not running SG or Nova knife just needs to stay outside optimal HMG range and take a Sentinel down slowly. I still don't see how that justifies making Sentinels even easier targets while at the same time making it harder for them to defend themselves. Basically Sarus is saying, "if I can sneak up on him, he should die without me having to worry about getting shot myself." If you want, substitute Shotgun in my previous comment for RR, CR, AR, etc. etc." The theory is still the same. I don't think scouts should be able to carry light weapons either honestly. Id like to see the shotgun toned down to side weapon status to keep it viable for scouts, but with a lot less power behind it, taking many consecutive hits in order to bring down a heavy frame. Scouts should be about hit and run, not sneaky insta-kills. That is another discussion though. If you play heavy you need some sort of weakness. That is the entire discussion. Being slower running really isn't much of a weakness when you have so much health you can mow down any opponent at medium-short range, especially when you can use light weapons. This also makes LAV heavies very attractive since it completely removes the heavies main weakness. A sentinel has around 1000 health, it will take a couple seconds of shooting with a rifle to kill them, that gives them plenty of time to turn around and defend themselves, and even with this cut down it would still be plenty of time. Basically open ground should be the bane of heavies, where people can maneuver around them, but in tighter areas they should be very attractive and powerful since their main turning weakness is mitigated by less open flanks. This weakness can also be mitigated by working with a squad of other non heavy suits which can protect the heavies flanks as it mows down everything in the front. That's just my .02 isk. This sums up 100% of the forum posts after Fanfest 2014.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 192	Posted - 2014.07.01 17:40:00 - [57] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What if there were a penalty of some kind? Reduction to light weapon range OR Reduction to reload etc. I wanted to make the OR stand out because I would be careful not to add too many restrictions, if one small one doesn't create a significant enough sacrifice, then another small penalty can be added. I think there should be battlefield variety, but I think there should be a little sacrifice without it being so significant to render the variations completely useless. Or just drop heavys turn speed... Then you'll see a lot less wielding rail rifles... I'm also a forge gunner and would be happy with this.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1230	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:08:00 - [58] - Quote I am only too happy to stick my forge gun onto a cloaky scout suit! Oh god do you know how much fun that would be! - Cloak on, sneaks up to heavies and others, decloak, forge gun charges......BAWWWOOOMM! haha (Yes I know you can do similar with remotes and the forge gun charging would give you away but still, I love forge! <3 ) Investigate 9/11
vlad stoich Fooly Cooly. 192	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:09:00 - [59] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hmmm Should I fit my HMG, my HMG, the HMG, or maybe the HMG today? I'm trying to break out of the mold so I think I might go with an HMG, but I guess if I wanted to change things up I could try the HMG or maybe even the HMG if I'm feeling frisky. I could just be a rebel though and fit the HMG Decisions decisions. Dont forget the forge gun. As a dropship pilot I know you love those.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1680	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:16:00 - [60] - Quote As a Heavy I say yes. No doubt. I have been trying to run assault but I am finding it difficult do to all the heavy wannabes running with AR's and RR's. Its a joke. You have the almost killed but since they can tank 2-3 time what you have they just wear you down and when it comes time to reload or switch weapons, down you go. They have the same range, the only disadvantage is a larger hit box but they offset that with larger EhP. CCP needs to limit heavies to heavy weapons only. Only scrubs with no game run heavies with light weapons. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique

vlad stoich Fooly Cooly. 192	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:20:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Not to mention the gun weighs more than the scout. CCP has released information stating the weight of the Scout Suit and the HMG? Where can I find this? Holy Sh!t , the world is going to end and hell has frozen over if Atiim is asking where to find info. You are always johnny on the spot with info, supporting evidence, links to sites, the whole 9.
vlad stoich Fooly Cooly. 192	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:22:00 - [62] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I am only too happy to stick my forge gun onto a cloaky scout suit! Oh god do you know how much fun that would be! - Cloak on, sneaks up to heavies and others, decloak, forge gun charges......BAWWWOOOMM! haha (Yes I know you can do similar with remotes and the forge gun charging would give you away but still, I love forge! <3 ) That would be hilarious and fun. The scout is so light in weight, that the forge would act like a hand held jet pack thrusting him in the opposite direction. Might come in use though.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 252	Posted - 2014.07.02 07:59:00 - [63] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: this topic was thoroughly discussed and laughed off the front page months ago....where were you? As if once a topic is ever broached all other forum goers are forbidden to discuss said topic whether they were aware of it or not. Seymour, are you a bully in real life? I always thought better of you. I'm no bully... I just don't have the patience for non issues... there are real problems in the game...this is just an "I don't like getting killed this way" issue and I'm thoroughly sick of these kinds of threads. let me be clear... heavies do have balance issues, but it isn't the weapon they hold, it isn't their ehp... both of these thingsare as they should be. I believe that since they are these lumbering behemoths, they should move like one.... their turn speed is too fast, and they should not have a sprint (something new I've been thinking about). but if you want to snipe in a heavy suit, you should have that option. if you want to fight from 40 meters with an assault rifle, that should be a viable build. I do however think the hmg has way too much range, cutting it in half while still providing a heavy with the option of using something with more range like a rail rifle gives heavies nice options that are not OP. the meaning behind my original post was that everything that is being discussed here, plus some, in this thread was thoroughly debated, and easily found in the archives of these forums, which makes this thread utter and fruitless redundancy... not to mention rattati has already said he likes where the heavies are at in reply to a recent "nerf heavies" thread....
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 253	Posted - 2014.07.02 08:11:00 - [64] - Quote I'm sorry for the double post, but I would like you all to consider the consequences of removing the light weapon option from heavies. I'm a logi, with a six kin triage repper repping 2 heavies at one time I have seen the destruction they cause. I'm sure most of you have, if you haven't, then you need to witness it. 2 heavies with hmg running side by side with a logi in tow through the halls of a building , or popping out of an lav at an area where the enemy is grouped up is devastating! my heavies have had average scores of 40/4 ( in a bad game maybe 20/6, in a good game 60/2) you all see how many heavies are out there now.... imagine forcing them all to run hmg, or worse, rooftop forge.... heavies with rifles and shotguns (lol).... or even massdrivers, are easily flanked and disposed of in most situations... and logies don't really like to rep them if given the choice of an hmg heavy. you would all be shooting yourselves in the foot if you had heavy's light weapon option removed.... just think about that.
Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1063	Posted - 2014.07.02 09:34:00 - [65] - Quote leave them alone. heavies with shotguns are cute. and their cousins with the rail rifles are cuter, and have bite.
Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 394	Posted - 2014.07.02 10:22:00 - [66] - Quote sees sentinel w/ light weapon flanks around and comes up behind whips out the most op smg, the toxin "Sure wish you were using an HMG now, muahahaha", I say as I let 92 bullets tear him apart (minmatar assault lv 3). Dip dip potato chip Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 856	Posted - 2014.07.06 04:24:00 - [67] - Quote vlad stoich wrote: Atiim wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Not to mention the gun weighs more than the scout. CCP has released information stating the weight of the Scout Suit and the HMG? Where can I find this? Holy Sh!t , the world is going to end and hell has frozen over if Atiim is asking where to find info. You are always johnny on the spot with info, supporting evidence, links to sites, the whole 9. Machinery of that size, considering it of solid metallic make, would easily weigh over 500 lbs (a half ton). Scout suits are supposed to be agile addons to the subject, who could weigh about 170-250 or so if in fit shape, plus the weight of armor would be about 25-150 lbs to be conservative, making the maximum 400 lbs or so. But I'd have to go with the clone itself being streamlined for the scout role, as well as the dropsuit, so the weight would be around 200, and the suit would be about 50 lbs. Thus the logical result is the entire fitting weighs about 250 lbs. Then again, most scouts waste a good deal of their remaining suit strength on burdensome plating, which would reduce their carrying capacity... or should, if you actually wanted weight to factor into this. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2407	Posted - 2014.07.06 06:51:00 - [68] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: ...would easily weigh over 500 lbs (a half ton). Pro Tip: 500 lbs =/= half ton Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.07.06 08:46:00 - [69] - Quote Dedicated heavy here, and I support this to 100%, never used a light weapon on my heavies and never will. Do not touch my sidearm though... =P
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 80	Posted - 2014.07.06 09:38:00 - [70] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Then remove their sidearms, because the only reasoning you could possibly have for no LW is 'their fingers are too sausage-like, and thus can't hold them.' I'm surprised heavies can even get the finger on the trigger of an SMG or a pistol of any sort... It's like having ten rows of quarters on your hands...

Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1429	Posted - 2014.07.06 11:10:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm indifferent to the idea. It should be noted however, that as long as a Sentinel is capable of carrying a long range weapon (such as a Scrambler or Rail Rifle), the argument about Sentinels being out-ranged by nearly everything is invalid. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.07.06 11:54:00 - [72] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Should Sentinels be restricted to only heavy weapons in their heavy weapons slot? Commandos are the only heavy suits that should be able to wield light weapons IMHO. It's their specialty. Discuss. Why does it matter? Its not a good class, and its a Mexican thing, and why are the Nyains worried about fixing something people exploit? Thought that was your all specialty?
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.07.06 11:56:00 - [73] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: vlad stoich wrote: Atiim wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Not to mention the gun weighs more than the scout. CCP has released information stating the weight of the Scout Suit and the HMG? Where can I find this? Holy Sh!t , the world is going to end and hell has frozen over if Atiim is asking where to find info. You are always johnny on the spot with info, supporting evidence, links to sites, the whole 9. Machinery of that size, considering it of solid metallic make, would easily weigh over 500 lbs (a half ton). Scout suits are supposed to be agile addons to the subject, who could weigh about 170-250 or so if in fit shape, plus the weight of armor would be about 25-150 lbs to be conservative, making the maximum 400 lbs or so. But I'd have to go with the clone itself being streamlined for the scout role, as well as the dropsuit, so the weight would be around 200, and the suit would be about 50 lbs. Thus the logical result is the entire fitting weighs about 250 lbs. Then again, most scouts waste a good deal of their remaining suit strength on burdensome plating, which would reduce their carrying capacity... or should, if you actually wanted weight to factor into this. 500lbs is a half ton huh? Let me sell you some drugs.
Yokal Bob Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 509	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:08:00 - [74] - Quote Had a match where my hmg came up against 4 heavies with light weapons so i thought **** it and joined them, killed them alllllllll mwahahahaha then i got annoyed at usuckatdust being a tryhard so brought out the same suit :D i hate the suit in fairness, but my god there everywhere If its not anime, its not real
manboar thunder fist Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 58	Posted - 2014.07.06 12:34:00 - [75] - Quote Classic What the french, using kaalakiotas with over 1500 hp sentinels and they still need logis to back them up. I disapprove of this tactic and believe it should be restricted to medium and commando frames. the commando is pretty similar to the sentinel, any argument of skill points range etc is invalidated by the presence of a light weapon specialist in the same skill category. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2093	Posted - 2014.07.06 13:06:00 - [76] - Quote CCP made an entire Video on DUST explaining how you can be a scout sniper... or a heavy sniper... The differences.. This is what a CCP game is.... The ability to put any size anything on anything.. We have put battleship modules on frigates in EVE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlH2c5dyA Check out 1:20... Explains the whole customization thing with DUST. P.S. that video was the one for Uprising launch... When we didn't have aim assist... Such an amazing game.. I miss it.. The DUST we have now is like a DUST 514 from back then set on "Easy" mode. Everything about DUST now compared to then makes me not want to even play the game.
manboar thunder fist Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.07.06 13:53:00 - [77] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP made an entire Video on DUST explaining how you can be a scout sniper... or a heavy sniper... The differences.. This is what a CCP game is.... The ability to put any size anything on anything.. We have put battleship modules on frigates in EVE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlH2c5dyA Check out 1:20... Explains the whole customization thing with DUST. P.S. that video was the one for Uprising launch... When we didn't have aim assist... Such an amazing game.. I miss it.. The DUST we have now is like a DUST 514 from back then set on "Easy" mode. Everything about DUST now compared to then makes me not want to even play the game. That's not the point. The problem is that snipers in the redline have no weakness from other players. especially with heavy suits. they should be forced to fight in the battle zone NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5214	Posted - 2014.07.06 13:56:00 - [78] - Quote I killed a proto gal sentinel with a Templar laser rifle on my basic amarr commando PSN: jcptmo8055 Long live commandos CCP, at least fix my ck.0 commandos colour scheme...he looks like the Michelin man
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 857	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:34:00 - [79] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: ...would easily weigh over 500 lbs (a half ton). Pro Tip: 500 lbs =/= half ton Also, the GalScout in my merc quarters is crackhead thin, but mercs are supposedly 3 meters tall (or some such). Might be heavier than he looks. Seems I missed the word "to" in that statement and didn't think much of it. Updated line "(to a half ton)". aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: 500lbs is a half ton huh? Let me sell you some drugs. Thanks for being a literary invalid. As you can see the point was already brought up, leaving you with a very... unoriginal line of thought. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5578	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:43:00 - [80] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What if there were a penalty of some kind? Reduction to light weapon range OR Reduction to reload etc. I wanted to make the OR stand out because I would be careful not to add too many restrictions, if one small one doesn't create a significant enough sacrifice, then another small penalty can be added. I think there should be battlefield variety, but I think there should be a little sacrifice without it being so significant to render the variations completely useless. Don't penalize suits for downgrading weaponry, reward the suits that are meant to be using light weapons. Oh wait! that's already happening, so there's no issue. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè



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