I couldn't agree more, will discuss internally. Would be up for doubling it even. 6 man squads should have to work hard for it, not just have one logi, and it should be almost impossible to solo.

I couldn't agree more, will discuss internally. Would be up for doubling it even. 6 man squads should have to work hard for it, not just have one logi, and it should be almost impossible to solo.

I couldn't agree more, will discuss internally. Would be up for doubling it even. 6 man squads should have to work hard for it, not just have one logi, and it should be almost impossible to solo.

Where does it say that?

Where does it say that a corporation does not have aligned pilots on standby for Orbital Strike?

i also think that we should have more than one type of orbital when we have one ready.

instead of just having the standard OB, why not add in some more variants of OB for different situations.
like
-a directional carpet bomb OB
-a circular OB that starts as a complete circle and goes inward on each shot
-an OB that fires one shot huge shot with a big radius, but has triple the damage and takes 5 sec.s to prepare
-an OB that has double the range, but has the weakest amount of dmg

it would be cool to have these implemented since we only get one OB per X amount of WP

You understand player fired orbitals have 4 ammo types one for each race that produce different orbital characteristics?

See CCP? The Average player in DUST has never even seen a played dropped orbital... And that is the only thing where EVE and DUST gameplay really mixes..

The central point to making another game in the New Eden Galaxy and it's in game modes 90% of the population doesn't use.

You understand player fired orbitals have 4 ammo types one for each race that produce different orbital characteristics?

See CCP? The Average player in DUST has never even seen a played dropped orbital... And that is the only thing where EVE and DUST gameplay really mixes..

The central point to making another game in the New Eden Galaxy and it's in game modes 90% of the population doesn't use.

your assumng i dont know that. i know there are diff. OB ammo. im just saying it would be cool to have more variants of OB's

some people dont even know what an EMP OB looks like.

ive seen 3 different OB tpyes. stop assuming i havent seen them. i was simply making a suggestion

He didnt make an assumption to offend... I Doubt 80% of the people who say they have seen it... Actually have.

Because they just simply haven't...

You can goto the killboards on EVE and check the DUST mercenaries killed by EVE player orbitals.. And the amount killed by these orbitals in the last 3 months is very tiny..

Let alone with variant orbital Ammo they wouldnt have seen.

Most corporations that have hundreds of PC games under their belt have never used an EMP orbital.

Kalante and I both know people that still haven't seen them and they PC daily.

He didnt make an assumption to offend... I Doubt 80% of the people who say they have seen it... Actually have.

Because they just simply haven't...

You can goto the killboards on EVE and check the DUST mercenaries killed by EVE player orbitals.. And the amount killed by these orbitals in the last 3 months is very tiny..

Let alone with variant orbital Ammo they wouldnt have seen.

Most corporations that have hundreds of PC games under their belt have never used an EMP orbital.

Kalante and I both know people that still haven't seen them and they PC daily.

So I think I've made the likes of this thread like three times now over the past year and a half of my DUST career. It seems a lot of people have agreed but it's never really gone anywhere beyond a thread. Well, we have an awesome Dev now who is very willing to listen to feedback so here we go again.

The simple premise is this: OBs are too simple and easy to get. Over the past year more and more ways to earn WP have been added resulting in games that are saturated with IWIN buttons. The concept is cool. It's really cool, but in terms of balance it puts many players in a very precarious position.

Initially, the 2500 WP requirement was conceived when squads were limited to 4 players. This was feasible as it meant in a full squad each player needed an average of around 600 - 700 WP to get a single OB. That's 12 - 14 kills for each player. This doesn't include hacking, repping, reviving, or whatever else one may do for points in a game.

Fast forward to now, squads are now 6 players and many things that didn't give warpoints do today: scanning, transport, vehicle damage, counter-hacking, destroying equipment... maybe a few others. Consider also that vehicle users are racking up points like never before with the vehicle damage points.

I run exclusively solo nowadays as a challenge to get OBs solo. You can watch me on my stream or go check my Past Broadcasts as proof. If it's a map with turrets I'll usually quickly drop a tank and can easily shoot myself up to like 1000+ WP within minutes of the game starting, go around drop some uplinks, switch to slayer fit and within a few minutes it's not all that hard to hit 2500 solo if there's good, consistent opposition.

So I can play and with relative easy get one-man orbitals in a good percentage of my games... what the hell is a 6-man squad of protostomping slayers doing? Oh yeah, dropping OBs every few minutes for free kills. The team that's dominating is rewarded by making it even easier for them to dominate. This doesn't really make much sense from a balance standpoint.

The OB requirement should easily be doubled to 5,000. With a 6-man squad that's 800-850 WP a person for an OB. That I think would actually make OBs a challenging, rewarding goal that wouldn't really be achievable without a good squad. It would at least cut the pubstomping a bit.

On another note, I strongly believe that OB support should be disabled in Ambush. It makes absolutely no sense that a team would get an orbital considering there is no warbarge to drop the strike (as is the lore). Ambush is already limited to so few clones. A single OB that has the potential to wipe the enemy team on their spawn wave. It's happened several times to everyone here I'm sure: you and your team just all died in Ambush; you all proceed to respawn in a new location that isn't under cover; BZZZAAAOOWWWW.... OB turns your team to dust. This nonsense needs to stop. You already got rid of tanks (sorta), go one step further making Ambush the ultimate Deathmatch mode by disabling OB support.

Some of the best ideas I've seen so far were to make orbitals requirements step functions and introducing the different types of orbitals into public matches. I'm a big proponent for those.

I also really wanna stress the OBs in Ambush point. Does anyone else agree that OBs should be taken out of Ambush entirely?

i also think that we should have more than one type of orbital when we have one ready.

instead of just having the standard OB, why not add in some more variants of OB for different situations.
like
-a directional carpet bomb OB
-a circular OB that starts as a complete circle and goes inward on each shot
-an OB that fires one shot huge shot with a big radius, but has triple the damage and takes 5 sec.s to prepare
-an OB that has double the range, but has the weakest amount of dmg

it would be cool to have these implemented since we only get one OB per X amount of WP

Part of me would like friendly fire enabled specifically for orbitals. It makes for rather lame tactics, where you just drop an orbital on your own head, and *boom* rush to objective as its falling. Lame.

I'd also say that orbitals should never reward you. Ever. Because the orbital IS THE REWARD. Rich get richer mechanics are lame. And a reward rewarding you with more rewards is exactly that: Lame.

Anyway, orbitals are terribly lame. A rework to make these lame things not-lame would be a welcome alteration to this game.

I'm just going to paste these posts that I made from a while back:




-HAND

Honestly WB strikes shouldn't net the squad anything. The squad leader shouldn't even get kills off of it, let alone points. All it is is pushing a button on a map. The point of the WB is to help your team, not farm kills.