Lol so you would reduce the HAV to a glorified taxi. Scrub move. I can see the headlines already! WANNABCPM Jackal deprives the community of a healthy vehicle dynamic!

No, I want HAVs to have a role as well.

HAVs are currently 'more focused' on Anti-Vehicle Duties due to their Large Turrets. The Smaller Turrets are a bit more varied with AI and AV turrets that can 'enhance' the roles of the guys inside.

To outline an example, I run a Caldari assault with RR, Locus Grenades etc, but no AV capability.. but pair me with a HAV driver who fits a Large Blaster and a Small Rail, suddenly I have the capacity in addition to my Anti-Infantry Capabilities as an Infanrty, the ability to Effectively anti-vehicle as well, and have somewhere I can 'bunker' to repair / heal.

Also, the ability to move faster from objective a to b to c.

This isn't a glorified taxi, it's considered a 'Force Multiplier', same as a Logistics suit with a Repair Tool could be a 'Glorified Mechanic', but are actually force multipliers when paired with a Heavy Armor-Tanked Suit.

Having a gunner the entire time in PC will not happen in PC. You can do raids with a gunner seat, But as far as 2 guys in one tank watching a point with the way tanks are these days, Its not happening. All the enemy has to do is 2v1 you with Sicas and its over and that is being nice about it. If you're going to have a gunner in anything, It would be best inside of a dropship.

Sure tank gunners are nice, But they belong in pubs. The full-time use just isn't solid enough for PC. I've been tanking in PCs for awhile now, And I can point out that you don't need them to have vehicle dominance or to become any more tactically inclined.

On another note though, Blasters do need a tweak. The dispersion is way too intense & for PCs they have become a no-go. Why? You can't kill seasoned PC players with them. The lack of blaster tanks means no real need for rail support. The only reason rails get called out today is to act as a AA for enemy ADS. THERE IS REALLY NO OTHER REASON. If there's no ADS then now, At this point, We just call rails to fight other rails. Its stupid and a waste of boots. So, I feel like if you feel you've made your rail tank have some better purpose, Thats awesome.

For the changes made for rail tanks, CCP needs to unnerf something. Give us range back or give us RoF back. Having everything nerfed makes rail tanks almost absolutely pointless. If CCP did cut down the dispersion on blasters, I believe Rail tanks would be deemed null effectiveness for taking them out & only seasoned rail pilots will stand a chance.

Having a gunner the entire time in PC will not happen in PC. You can do raids with a gunner seat, But as far as 2 guys in one tank watching a point with the way tanks are these days, Its not happening. All the enemy has to do is 2v1 you with Sicas and its over and that is being nice about it. If you're going to have a gunner in anything, It would be best inside of a dropship.

Sure tank gunners are nice, But they belong in pubs. The full-time use just isn't solid enough for PC. I've been tanking in PCs for awhile now, And I can point out that you don't need them to have vehicle dominance or to become any more tactically inclined.

On another note though, Blasters do need a tweak. The dispersion is way too intense & for PCs they have become a no-go. Why? You can't kill seasoned PC players with them. The lack of blaster tanks means no real need for rail support. The only reason rails get called out today is to act as a AA for enemy ADS. THERE IS REALLY NO OTHER REASON. If there's no ADS then now, At this point, We just call rails to fight other rails. Its stupid and a waste of boots. So, I feel like if you feel you've made your rail tank have some better purpose, Thats awesome.

For the changes made for rail tanks, CCP needs to unnerf something. Give us range back or give us RoF back. Having everything nerfed makes rail tanks almost absolutely pointless. If CCP did cut down the dispersion on blasters, I believe Rail tanks would be deemed null effectiveness for taking them out & only seasoned rail pilots will stand a chance.

lawl how bout u actually get some districts first, and show up to your battles with full 16 DDB, then you can come derail my thread with your irrelevancy. Keep your drama to the war room.

Proper compromise is required to achieve a sensible solution.

Blaster dispersion tightened or removed, and RoF given back to the rails.

LB was never supposed to be anti-infantry.

I have actually pointed out that 'having gunners' all match is not the aim... but using the HAV as a force multiplier is. Faster transport, protection, and added arsenal on top of the normal role are added benefits. And they also benefit the HAV driver by giving them 'something else.'

Now onto the 2v1 Sicas... this is an issue, but it's not with the idea of gunners in PC matches, it's with the ability to drive a Sica and fit a sica, and utilise a sica at the drop of a hat. And 2 tanks will almost always 'annihilate' a single tank.. except through good skill, that would happen whether you had a gunner or not, Force Multiplier doesn't mean 2x for the same role, it's about role diversity as much as anything else.

The idea is that a Tank, with 2 gunners, can handle multiple roles, while a tank with just the driver, should not be able to.

Those gunners also 'get out' of the HAV to complete Infantry Objectives, such as hacking, placing uplinks etc. before getting back in.

From you complaints, all I have for you is HTFU, get gud scrub. It's a failure on your part and not so much the mechanics.

Lol PC arbitrary 16 vs 16 fights....... I'mma love when you guys are exposed to real New Eden conflict.....

I know you ...

Posted: 2014.05.17 22:44
Weekly Statistics
DUNA2002 - 2,637 kills, 9 deaths
Shadow of War88 - 462 kills, 6 deaths

^ Though this week was an exceptionally good week for farming infantry, right?

Do you think these numbers mean that you and Duna are good or that something is broken?
Can you not see how risk-free farming and PvE-like statistics might cause problems?
After months on end of button mashing, how is it that you and your ilk did not become bored?

Large blasters are so bad at taking out competent infantry, that your better off using a rifle. They cloak, run, dance in front of you with a forge, jihad jeep you, so on. The ISK gap is enormous. These tanks are laughable. All you can do is spray and pray hoping for a random head-shot....Its just not fun. So unresponsive. You can tell CCP dosent play test. They stare at charts all day and corse random militia noobs get farmed by tanks. Then you go up against a competent squad and your useless.

No need for rail tanks if there's nothing killing off the infantry. CCP slaughtered tank specialists like never before. Ive spent 32 million SP in tanks and i never felt more useless in my entire DUST career. Im blessed to have a awesome corporation funding me, but i can only imagine what the average tank pilot must be dealing with.

Return the blaster to where it was or at least introduce a skill that tightens the dispersion. I often overheat before killing the scout strafing and throwing AV grenades. Rattati ever drive a tank? Sad thing is that CCP never does anything in a sensible manner. You swing the pendulum from OP to UP and so on. Baby steps when it comes to balance. "uhm ya we better fuk the rai l overheat, the damage, and how bout the damage mods too"....."yep that sounds good"......."oh wait we better slow down its rate of fire too". Fukin blaster is like a little kid taking his first **** on his own. Cant control that thing and it sprays everywhere.

When CCP introduces something, it will be the in its most OP state, then after a few full moons its rendered a lot more useless. Never in moderation with u ppl. End of Q.Q

you dream big. CCP wont introduce new meaningfull skills. All i can hope for is a buff to blaster to create the demand for rail, and have rail rof back to where it was.

With the games lifespan expected to end after DESTINY, i doubt they would spend much energy in creating skills. Keep your expectations realistic.

OMG no, why don't you get it. Rails are fine and sure dispersion needs a little tweaking but not removed. Sorry that blasters work better at infantry suppression than straight up killing.

The peasant will be farmed regardless. By rifle, nade or blade they will die off due to the nature of the game. In PC that blaster is useless.

Are we playing the same game?

You have zero room to talk and calling others scrub, Because your team cries when we attack you.

In the past there was a role that REQUIRED gunners to be effective. It was the DropShip pre-ADS and it was horrible. The ultimate goal of any DS pilot was to go 0/0. For many, many months this issue was bitterly complained about from pilots and eventually the ADS was created to at least allow some participation by the pilot himself.

I'd really rather not repeat the mistakes of the past here.

There are many arguments about a "role" that tanks should play. Sadly, unless there is some hidden design team within CCP working on these things we likely won't see anything for Dust 514. For now the role has to be killing infantry because killing infantry is the basis for everything else such as ground AV and counter tanking roles. If a tank cannot kill infantry even with just the driver than there is no reason for all of these other roles as the game stands now.

I have heard many complaints about the large blaster. However, the problem was much more multifaceted than just calling out this one item. The fact is that a large part of the problem was that tanks were mostly invincible from infantry based AV. It took both of these things to be in place to create the recent tank issues we had. If AV had been more effective than Large Blaster complaints would have been much less.

Now, we have a situation were AV has been empowered via bug fixes, buffs, and damage profile corrections. At the same time we have nerfs to Vehicle repair, range, and turret damage and accuracy. In addition there are reports from CPM that acceleration is being looked at. All of these have swung the scales of balance in the opposite direction. Being a pilot is far from being an invincible killing machine now (which is as it should be) and I would argue not so fun and frustrating. Not because you get blown up but because your role has been taken away and on top of that you have very poor means to counter those whose roles are to counter you.

In the past there was a role that REQUIRED gunners to be effective. It was the DropShip pre-ADS and it was horrible. The ultimate goal of any DS pilot was to go 0/0. For many, many months this issue was bitterly complained about from pilots and eventually the ADS was created to at least allow some participation by the pilot himself.

I'd really rather not repeat the mistakes of the past here.

There are many arguments about a "role" that tanks should play. Sadly, unless there is some hidden design team within CCP working on these things we likely won't see anything for Dust 514. For now the role has to be killing infantry because killing infantry is the basis for everything else such as ground AV and counter tanking roles. If a tank cannot kill infantry even with just the driver than there is no reason for all of these other roles as the game stands now.

I have heard many complaints about the large blaster. However, the problem was much more multifaceted than just calling out this one item. The fact is that a large part of the problem was that tanks were mostly invincible from infantry based AV. It took both of these things to be in place to create the recent tank issues we had. If AV had been more effective than Large Blaster complaints would have been much less.

Now, we have a situation were AV has been empowered via bug fixes, buffs, and damage profile corrections. At the same time we have nerfs to Vehicle repair, range, and turret damage and accuracy. In addition there are reports from CPM that acceleration is being looked at. All of these have swung the scales of balance in the opposite direction. Being a pilot is far from being an invincible killing machine now (which is as it should be) and I would argue not so fun and frustrating. Not because you get blown up but because your role has been taken away and on top of that you have very poor means to counter those whose roles are to counter you.

:) Actually, we smile now

It is good to see though that you guys come out in force to protect / help one of your own. Guess you aren't THAT evil. Enjoy space though, things are gonna get rough up there for ya wink wink.

We were never evil. Actually we try our best to enjoy what is left of the game. But even at our best, You just can't enjoy it. We press on, Though, And just have fun. It is a game afterall.

Enjoy space? lulz When Destiny is out, Fuk this game and all of its Q_Q.

Back in Chrome, I had such high hopes for Dust. I had expected it to become a beast. Didn't expect it to become a baby sucking on a bottle of glue.

silence peasant! In PC matches there is no available manpower to man the miny rails. Dont expect a noob to understand the complexities of PC however.

Infantry wanted this

Players like Atiim wanted this

Its actually worse than 1.0 since vehicles now have less options in modules/hulls/skills/turrets