This was brought up with a conversation with some folks in the dev chat room that some militia items are feeling a bit more powerful or powerful enough to rival the standard variants.

Remember these items are supposed to preview the role not be a goto crutch when you're needing isk (which is a separate problem on its own)

List modules or weapons you feel are too powerful for the level and the reason why they're too powerful.

Ill start with an example

Militia Shotgun is extremely powerful offering great stopping power for very similar performance in comparison to standard shotguns. While nerfing the damage of the shotgun can devalue the preview role I opt for the following, Reduction in Magazine size, reduction in total ammo.

I thought that militia items were for those who didn't have enough sp AND for when you need isk. So, if that's not the case, what is the "proper" way of getting more isk?

Now compare to militia shield extenders.

This was brought up with a conversation with some folks in the dev chat room that some militia items are feeling a bit more powerful or powerful enough to rival the standard variants.

Remember these items are supposed to preview the role not be a goto crutch when you're needing isk (which is a separate problem on its own)

List modules or weapons you feel are too powerful for the level and the reason why they're too powerful.

Ill start with an example

Militia Shotgun is extremely powerful offering great stopping power for very similar performance in comparison to standard shotguns. While nerfing the damage of the shotgun can devalue the preview role I opt for the following, Reduction in Magazine size, reduction in total ammo.

Just a Reminder that this is New Eden, we can use militia gear for what ever the F**k we want whether its grinding isk or a stupid preview.

Scout suits.


Oh wait, this is a milta thread ?

Then I'd have to go with the militia flaylock .

First of all, passive skills should never be applied to militia weaponry.

I have no issue whatsoever with the power of militia items. I'm all happy for the poor redberry that finally managed to score a kill after being killed 10 times by stuff he didn't even know exists.

If I get killed by someone in MLT equipment he outplayed me. Big time. Let's not change anything about that.

There is nothing "OP" in the militia section at the moment. The militia rail rifle has a smaller clip and longer reload time, plates take considerable more fitting space etc. Only because it can kill you its not "too good". There is a reason why militia stuff is the most used gear in the game and that is because 95% of the players just are simply horrible at FPS games. The average blueberry cant even achieve a KDR above 1 (and that is allready generous).

Alot of people use militia cause they just cant afford more. Hell some blueberrys go something like 1-19 on skirmish and even with cheap fits that cost like 10k a pop the guy lost 190k ISK while he probs made somewhere around 150k. Like ive mentioned before: "people dont use militia because they want to, they use it because they cant afford anything better".

This game rewards good players and punishes the bad. CCP incroporated this by full knowledge and the golden ticket out of this hell for most people is just to buy AUR. Another fact for this is the recently removed passive ISK from PC. There was a overflow of ISK and players got "too wealthy" which ofcourse lowered the AUR sales so CCP had to put an end to this.

I thought that militia items were for those who didn't have enough sp AND for when you need isk. So, if that's not the case, what is the "proper" way of getting more isk?

So how about this?

Militia gear shouldn't get any bonuses from skills/suits?

Yay or Nay?

Let's remove all the bonuses from everything!

IWS you need to stop messing/stirring up the forums with these types of discussions. sure it may have a good point, but some of these things actually make the game better.

militia items are fine where they are.

-if they didn't have the bonuses with them then they would be incredibly weaker.
-militia items are standard items but are less sufficient.
-without "decent" militia gear than new players would get stomped all the time and high sp players would dominate with their better skills.

if i didnt have the skills i have with the min assault than my cr would have 42 instead of 54, this is still considered militia to me because it has lower clip size than my standard combat rifles which usually have 67 to the clip.

high sp players would benefit from the militia weapons having the bonuses since they kinda earned it, and newer players would have to skill into the weapons to be more effective with them and eventually they become high sp players.(if they stayed for that long)

nerfing a militia weapon is like nerfing a standard weapon just because it is cheap. if anything needs adjusting try making a thread about miltia mods. for vehicles.

For the sake of not looking like a total piece on either side I'll state the full intent and play my last card early. I will apologize if you feel that I solely that forums are a means of measurement let alone I am going after very specific angles of feedback pieced mealed at a time. Forums are typically better at articulating thoughts out as opposed to ingame or other places as they're typically less though put into the responses.

Let me state to you the larger problem.

People don't use enough standard gear in a way that people do not use basic frame prototype suit tiers.
In just about every case if a skilled player could choose standard gear or militia gear the militia gear will prove superior every time. While BPOs are factor in this; Militia are only supposed to be the preview items; standard is supposed to be the goto crutch if you're low on cash but thanks to a lack of tiericide militia tier is superior in every way just about. Low ammo? Who cares low life expectancy solves the issue majority of the time. Low Clip? Not an issue with most veterans. Ultimately this does not encourage new players to move out of militia gear either. New Players should be getting into a new standard suit as soon as possible.

TL;DR In other words Standard Gear has no role with the existence of militia tier around.

TL;DR In other words Standard Gear has no role with the existence of militia tier around.

I thought that militia items were for those who didn't have enough sp AND for when you need isk. So, if that's not the case, what is the "proper" way of getting more isk?