DUST Search - Are there any Militia Items you feel that are too powerful?

knight guard fury wrote:

IWS you need to stop messing/stirring up the forums with these types of discussions. sure it may have a good point, but some of these things actually make the game better.

militia items are fine where they are.

-if they didn't have the bonuses with them then they would be incredibly weaker.
-militia items are standard items but are less sufficient.
-without "decent" militia gear than new players would get stomped all the time and high sp players would dominate with their better skills.

if i didnt have the skills i have with the min assault than my cr would have 42 instead of 54, this is still considered militia to me because it has lower clip size than my standard combat rifles which usually have 67 to the clip.

high sp players would benefit from the militia weapons having the bonuses since they kinda earned it, and newer players would have to skill into the weapons to be more effective with them and eventually they become high sp players.(if they stayed for that long)

nerfing a militia weapon is like nerfing a standard weapon just because it is cheap. if anything needs adjusting try making a thread about miltia mods. for vehicles.


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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15645	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:40:00 - [1] - Quote This was brought up with a conversation with some folks in the dev chat room that some militia items are feeling a bit more powerful or powerful enough to rival the standard variants. Remember these items are supposed to preview the role not be a goto crutch when you're needing isk (which is a separate problem on its own) List modules or weapons you feel are too powerful for the level and the reason why they're too powerful. Ill start with an example Militia Shotgun is extremely powerful offering great stopping power for very similar performance in comparison to standard shotguns. While nerfing the damage of the shotgun can devalue the preview role I opt for the following, Reduction in Magazine size, reduction in total ammo. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15647	Posted - 2014.06.29 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote So how about this? Militia gear shouldn't get any bonuses from skills/suits? Yay or Nay? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15648	Posted - 2014.06.29 02:56:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: First of all, passive skills should never be applied to militia weaponry. This goes for operational to racial benefits. And why is that? I think they should, because it means that even players with 20m+ SP will still have a use for them, which is good. This is not by design. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15648	Posted - 2014.06.29 04:13:00 - [4] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: I thought that militia items were for those who didn't have enough sp AND for when you need isk. So, if that's not the case, what is the "proper" way of getting more isk? Like I said another issue, has more to with payout and expected loss rate or how expensive standard gear is. This also can harken back to the issues caused by not having tetricide as well. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15652	Posted - 2014.06.29 08:39:00 - [5] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Just a Reminder that this is New Eden, we can use militia gear for what ever the F**k we want whether its grinding isk or a stupid preview. New Eden favors the efficient; which militia is not supposed to be. If you want to go mining veldspar in a velato or titan be my guest but you're not making a lot of isk that way and both ventures are just as terribly risky. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15655	Posted - 2014.06.29 19:27:00 - [6] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: IWS you need to stop messing/stirring up the forums with these types of discussions. sure it may have a good point, but some of these things actually make the game better. militia items are fine where they are. -if they didn't have the bonuses with them then they would be incredibly weaker. -militia items are standard items but are less sufficient. -without "decent" militia gear than new players would get stomped all the time and high sp players would dominate with their better skills. if i didnt have the skills i have with the min assault than my cr would have 42 instead of 54, this is still considered militia to me because it has lower clip size than my standard combat rifles which usually have 67 to the clip. high sp players would benefit from the militia weapons having the bonuses since they kinda earned it, and newer players would have to skill into the weapons to be more effective with them and eventually they become high sp players.(if they stayed for that long) nerfing a militia weapon is like nerfing a standard weapon just because it is cheap. if anything needs adjusting try making a thread about miltia mods. for vehicles. For the sake of not looking like a total piece on either side I'll state the full intent. I will apologize if you feel that I solely that forums are a means of measurement let alone I am going after very specific angles of feedback pieced mealed at a time. Forums are typically better at articulating thoughts out as opposed to ingame or other places as they're typically less though put into the responses. Let me state to you the larger problem. People don't use enough standard gear in a way that people do not use basic frame prototype suit tiers. In just about every case if a skilled player could choose standard gear or militia gear the militia gear will prove superior every time. While BPOs are factor in this; Militia are only supposed to be the preview items; standard is supposed to be the goto crutch if you're low on cash but thanks to a lack of tiericide militia tier is superior in every way just about. Low ammo? Who cares low life expectancy solves the issue majority of the time. Low Clip? Not an issue with most veterans. Ultimately this does not encourage new players to move out of militia gear either. New Players should be getting into a new standard suit as soon as possible. TL;DR In other words Standard Gear has no role with the existence of militia tier around. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15664	Posted - 2014.06.30 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: SOLUTION 1-All skills apply to MLT weapons/gear. New players enjoy benefits of skill choices they made immediately. New player experience improved; veteran player experience unchanged. 2-Make STD gear cost the same ISK as MLT gear. The economy is nearly a moot point now so lowering cost a few hundred ISK won't break anything. The incentive of using MLT to save ISK is removed. Only starter fits and bpos will offer this. New players have easier time purchasing higher tier and be happy to skill more STD gear to get extra ammo and lower fitting costs. Veteran players laugh at cost of STD already. New player experience improved; veteran player experience unchanged. Use of STD gear increases. I will still disagree with solution one especially if solution 2 is implemented which I am in all favor of. If I had to modify solution one it would be to make militia pre bonused but that's being oxymorons. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15665	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:30:00 - [8] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: SLIGHTLY lower Accuracy rating of MLT weapons? That's the only change I think would make to MLT weapons without crippling the NPE (anymore than it already is) I don't think this would be viable accuracy needs to be same across all tiers of the same variant. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15667	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:39:00 - [9] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: there's only 3 types of people in dust's economy: -rich -wealthy (which i am wealthy) -poor people who are poor are generally the new people and people who dont do so well in pub match. people who are wealthy can afford to loose and restock a variety of things as long as they arent too expensive people who are rich can buy what ever they want, when ever they want and dont care if they loose a proto suit or vehicle I would class as poor because I suck with assault dropships and my omnisoldier habit is rather expensive at times when its time to go experimental. Admittingly I use militia gear to far too great of an effect. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15671	Posted - 2014.07.01 03:21:00 - [10] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I will still disagree with solution one especially if solution 2 is implemented which I am in all favor of. I had to think about this for a minute but now understand your point and agree. Even if skills did apply to MLT, for the same ISK STD weapons are the superior choice. Use of MLT at this point would be foolish. And by not applying skills to MLT use of STD is even further incentivized. Solution 2 is all that would be needed. What about in the cases where there is a clear cut militia advantage though? and or there is no standardized equivalent? ie the oddball skin weaves and drens. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15672	Posted - 2014.07.01 05:09:00 - [11] - Quote Anarchide wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: [...] ie the oddball skin weaves and drens. Anarchide uses the Stare of Death Just saying militia logistics suits... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15903	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:49:00 - [12] - Quote I will have you know that despite all the japery and cacophonies there was an item identified that is getting fixed. Militia Large Railguns being able to fire more shots before overheating in comparison to any of the military grade ones. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked