DUST Search - Are there any Militia Items you feel that are too powerful?

CommanderBolt wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

There is nothing "OP" in the militia section at the moment. The militia rail rifle has a smaller clip and longer reload time, plates take considerable more fitting space etc. Only because it can kill you its not "too good". There is a reason why militia stuff is the most used gear in the game and that is because 95% of the players just are simply horrible at FPS games. The average blueberry cant even achieve a KDR above 1 (and that is allready generous).

Alot of people use militia cause they just cant afford more. Hell some blueberrys go something like 1-19 on skirmish and even with cheap fits that cost like 10k a pop the guy lost 190k ISK while he probs made somewhere around 150k. Like ive mentioned before: "people dont use militia because they want to, they use it because they cant afford anything better".

This game rewards good players and punishes the bad. CCP incroporated this by full knowledge and the golden ticket out of this hell for most people is just to buy AUR. Another fact for this is the recently removed passive ISK from PC. There was a overflow of ISK and players got "too wealthy" which ofcourse lowered the AUR sales so CCP had to put an end to this.

Agreed.

Seriously I cant believe IWS and others are actually even discussing this!

Militia weapons should OF COURSE receive the same bonuses that any other weapon would from the players skills. Why the hell would the worst level weapon NOT recieve the bonus? That makes no sense.

Are you trying to push new players / more casual players out of this game even more?

People run militia because its cheap, this game requires you to manage a currency - not many other games do. So while the top boys in PC have farmed billions to spend, the average casual dude might not even be able to afford his ADV fitting he has just about got the skills for.

There is already huge imbalance in this game as it is and you guys want to push that imbalance EVEN further.

This thread is shameful. Really think about what you are doing.....

Addition - I don't have a problem with balancing things like damage, clip size etc as I do believe Militia equipment and weapons should be weaker than standard gear. I just feel any skill bonuses should always be applied.

Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR


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Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 133	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote First of all, passive skills should never be applied to militia weaponry. This goes for operational to racial benefits. I haven't played with all the racial additions but at times the militia shotgun feels better (hit detection and spread) then the advanced variants. I have been slain a few times with the scrambler, god the gun hurts!! Lol but as always it's a great skill shot rifle. As long as the skills aren't applied to the weapon, just keep cpu/pg consumption higher, damage lower then base variants, and overall clip/ pool smaller then base variants. Everyone will be happy. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 141	Posted - 2014.06.29 22:08:00 - [2] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remember these items are supposed to preview the role not be a goto crutch when you're needing isk (which is a separate problem on its own) I thought that militia items were for those who didn't have enough sp AND for when you need isk. So, if that's not the case, what is the "proper" way of getting more isk? The "proper" way to make money is to make leader board with war points. After that run basic gear. Run ambush all night to make millions of isk. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 141	Posted - 2014.06.29 22:20:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: First of all, passive skills should never be applied to militia weaponry. This goes for operational to racial benefits. And why is that? I think they should, because it means that even players with 20m+ SP will still have a use for them, which is good because it adds tier diversity to the battlefield. Basic gear is already cheap enough to make good money. If you have "20+ m" you have a good enough understanding not to throw yourself at an objective over and over again. With that amount of sp basic gear can take advantage of the bonuses received from related skills. Militia gear is just a cheap preview of how something performs. Most skillable weapons, mods, etc are easy to obtain with sp. Hence militia should not receive skill based bonuses. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 141	Posted - 2014.06.29 22:43:00 - [4] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is nothing "OP" in the militia section at the moment. The militia rail rifle has a smaller clip and longer reload time, plates take considerable more fitting space etc. Only because it can kill you its not "too good". There is a reason why militia stuff is the most used gear in the game and that is because 95% of the players just are simply horrible at FPS games. The average blueberry cant even achieve a KDR above 1 (and that is allready generous). Alot of people use militia cause they just cant afford more. Hell some blueberrys go something like 1-19 on skirmish and even with cheap fits that cost like 10k a pop the guy lost 190k ISK while he probs made somewhere around 150k. Like ive mentioned before: "people dont use militia because they want to, they use it because they cant afford anything better". This game rewards good players and punishes the bad. CCP incroporated this by full knowledge and the golden ticket out of this hell for most people is just to buy AUR. Another fact for this is the recently removed passive ISK from PC. There was a overflow of ISK and players got "too wealthy" which ofcourse lowered the AUR sales so CCP had to put an end to this. Agreed. Seriously I cant believe IWS and others are actually even discussing this! Militia weapons should OF COURSE receive the same bonuses that any other weapon would from the players skills. Why the hell would the worst level weapon NOT recieve the bonus? That makes no sense. Are you trying to push new players / more casual players out of this game even more? People run militia because its cheap, this game requires you to manage a currency - not many other games do. So while the top boys in PC have farmed billions to spend, the average casual dude might not even be able to afford his ADV fitting he has just about got the skills for. There is already huge imbalance in this game as it is and you guys want to push that imbalance EVEN further. This thread is shameful. Really think about what you are doing..... Addition - I don't have a problem with balancing things like damage, clip size etc as I do believe Militia equipment and weapons should be weaker than standard gear. I just feel any skill bonuses should always be applied. So let me get this straight. We are concerned about the new player experience. Yes of course. We, the community, wants to be able to play modes where we can select teir grade. That is least what I have read many many times. So now we want those that have large pools of sp that have skilled into many many things be able to use their passive bonuses to elevate the militia gear above those that are just starting out. Doesn't this still create an imbalance between vets and beginners? Think about it. Weapons and mods should not receive skills bonus. The suits can still take advantage of cpu/pg skills along with biotics. Base gear is seriously cost effective enough for anyone, unless of course you seriously super terrible at an fps and in that case this genre just isn't for you. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 144	Posted - 2014.07.01 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: @ Nevyn Tazinas Allowing skills to apply to MLT would benefit new players who so often find themselves limited to starter fits or the cheapest of gear. Ccp needs to adjust starter fits to be standard gear. Skills do not apply to these starter fits (other then cpu/pg, biotic passive, ewar). This way vets never get an upper hand on players who are just starting. Vets can go back to starter fits to make money if needed and new players have a more competitive edge out of the academy. Mlt gear should be previews of how things perform in battle. Standard gear and up receive operation and racial bonuses. Not everyone will agree with me, but only experienced vets will benefit from skills being applied to militia gear then new players. Prime example would be the efficiency to armor plates. A full proto user will have a higher base ehp off the plate then someone who is standard. So if the proto user builds the same suit (militia) as the standard user, the proto will be tanked more. How is that fair for the new player? Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR