DUST Search - Do you think this is some sort of Lag-Switch ?

Malkai Inos wrote:

gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:

Malkai Inos wrote:

gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:

i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns

Finally something that has me intrigued. Can you elaborate on what exactly is happening on your and on your squadmates' screen respectively? It's possible the server recreates your lag switch caused spike for people looking at you to lessen the disadvantage of connection related problems on your end but the important question is whether there's any point in deliberately provoking this behavior.

four squad mates encounter another squad, as soon as they are targeted they dont take damage and the screen jumps then repeats, the enemy is strafing, then jumping back to the same spot then strafing
i turned around and loked behind us and my visual lag stopped. i told the squad leader and then he turned and his lag stopped as i turned back around and the screen was repeating motions
some as unrealistic as the guy strafing was walking off the platform then returning to a spot not as for back as the last

I was of the impression that you were experimenting with your own switch and what'd do to your squad mates which would constitute a form of reproducible experiment in which case your finding would've been potentially interesting. Without that being the case there's no convincing reason to assume anything beyond ordinary coincidence.

The reason I'm saying this is: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The fundamental principle of how lag switches work necessarily requires the "switcher" to be the physical host of the game session and/or to have some authority over the game state to provide him any form of benefit.

In a game like dust the host and authoritative party is always a dedicated server (tranquility and its battleservers) that everyone else connects to as clients without said game state authority. The idea that lag switching does anything to help the "switcher" in dust (or any battlefield/cod game unless you host the game on your machine, for that matter) denies technical plausibility and is thus an extraordinary claim to make.

In other words. I need more than isolated cases of lag that could have been caused by anything to be convinced. Show me that you can deliberately and reproducibly use your lag switch to cause behavior that gives you a tangible competitive advantage over others. Then we'll talk.

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skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:39:00 - [1] - Quote Hey o7. I am really not that guy who is all upset and I have been pretty blessed in my time with dust as to not have to much problem with lag. I have had a lot of gameplay and never really come across anything but this encounter jst seemed shady and i would love some other opinions. The whole match had a laggy feel in and out but the encounter at 5:56 - 6:20 ish in this video made me wonder. I am not the most tech savy with this topic. Lagswitch Ambush? 5:56 - 6:20 What do you think? Cool Guys I'm gonna go make a poor attempt at getting some kills ......... lolz My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3861	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote They don't work in DUST. If I remember correctly for them to function properly you need to be the hostZ If this is the case, you flip that switch and everyone else sees you just standing there. In other words, lagswitcher = free kills. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:45:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: They don't work in DUST. If I remember correctly for them to function properly you need to be the hostZ If this is the case, you flip that switch and everyone else sees you just standing there. In other words, lagswitcher = free kills. Fair enough. They are so widely spoken about..that its hard to believe I have wasted so much time listening to people talk about them...:s So in this instance, it was just LAG that so happened to work in my opp.'s favor? I believe o7 My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3861	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote Okay, I just watched the clip in question and I'm just calling that some abominable lag. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3422	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote I don't know, that looked like a lag switch to me. I would have liked to see the end kill screen to get a better idea how he did. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:50:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I don't know, that looked like a lag switch to me. I would have liked to see the end kill screen to get a better idea how he did. end screen @ 7:44 My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10492	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:51:00 - [7] - Quote Lag switches simply do not work in a game like DUST. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
VALCORE72 BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 185	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:52:00 - [8] - Quote im not sayn who BUT there is a way . few ppl i know tested it . its not a true lag switch like you would think. but works its bs really . takes more time to do it then playn the dam game lol .
Pushing Charlie 187	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:52:00 - [9] - Quote Lag is now considered a feature in DUST. Thats how common it is. Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon.
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:56:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lag switches simply do not work in a game like DUST. I believe Cat Merc but somehow I dont think this debate will end here though :s My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet

Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 836	Posted - 2014.06.27 17:12:00 - [11] - Quote That lag was happening to everyone playing Dust. It happened a lot yesterday and made so many people including my squad just leave some matches and wait a few minutes before trying to get another one. A problem was happening with the server or something.
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 734	Posted - 2014.06.27 17:33:00 - [12] - Quote That looked like normal crappy dust lag to me. The ones that are most suspicious are when you have a relatively lag free game ( which is rare these days ) yet there is one dude on the enemy team that skips and ghosts across the map. Maybe they have really bad internet but this type of lag/framerate issue annoys me the most because their body is never where you aim as they are skipping meters at a time. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.06.27 18:48:00 - [13] - Quote i bought a lag switch for battlefield 4 so i would know what it looked like when it was used on me. ive also tested it on this game.during testing i made zero kills. if your visual is moving all crazy but you keep walking and you end up where you thought you would be, lag switch if you end up some where you did not walk to, network lag. opponents taking no damage while you shoot, you will notice your clip isnt loosing bullets lag switches work just like that. your mistake was to stop shooting. i see them at least 2 nights a week i recognize them instantly. it is not a sure win on this game like it is on battlefield BUT you keep shooting them and when they let go of their button they will go from 3/4 armor to a kill as long as you keep shooting and watch your clips ammo. FYI takes six full seconds of pressing the lag switch to be booted from game. i personally think if the server doesnt get an update from a console after a second you should be booted Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 19:03:00 - [14] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i bought a lag switch for battlefield 4 so i would know what it looked like when it was used on me. ive also tested it on this game.during testing i made zero kills. if your visual is moving all crazy but you keep walking and you end up where you thought you would be, lag switch if you end up some where you did not walk to, network lag. opponents taking no damage while you shoot, you will notice your clip isnt loosing bullets lag switches work just like that. your mistake was to stop shooting. i see them at least 2 nights a week i recognize them instantly. it is not a sure win on this game like it is on battlefield BUT you keep shooting them and when they let go of their button they will go from 3/4 armor to a kill as long as you keep shooting and watch your clips ammo. FYI takes six full seconds of pressing the lag switch to be booted from game. i personally think if the server doesnt get an update from a console after a second you should be booted Sounds pretty legit ....wow... My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.06.27 19:11:00 - [15] - Quote skippy678 wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i bought a lag switch for battlefield 4 so i would know what it looked like when it was used on me. ive also tested it on this game.during testing i made zero kills. if your visual is moving all crazy but you keep walking and you end up where you thought you would be, lag switch if you end up some where you did not walk to, network lag. opponents taking no damage while you shoot, you will notice your clip isnt loosing bullets lag switches work just like that. your mistake was to stop shooting. i see them at least 2 nights a week i recognize them instantly. it is not a sure win on this game like it is on battlefield BUT you keep shooting them and when they let go of their button they will go from 3/4 armor to a kill as long as you keep shooting and watch your clips ammo. FYI takes six full seconds of pressing the lag switch to be booted from game. i personally think if the server doesnt get an update from a console after a second you should be booted Sounds pretty legit ....wow... i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1456	Posted - 2014.06.27 20:24:00 - [16] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i bought a lag switch for battlefield 4 so i would know what it looked like when it was used on me. ive also tested it on this game.during testing i made zero kills. ~~Not exactly a success then, eh~~ Ah, you probably mean as to not actually benefiting from it. Scratch that in this case. gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: if your visual is moving all crazy but you keep walking and you end up where you thought you would be, lag switch if you end up some where you did not walk to, network lag. You will always keep walking in lag scenarios because the client predicts how the server reacts to your input to make the game feel responsive despite the always existing latency. Whether you end up being re-syncronized to somewhere you didn't mean to go afterwards depends on whether the connection issue goes both ways or is limited to your inbound stream while the server received your outbound stream just fine. gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: opponents taking no damage while you shoot, you will notice your clip isnt loosing bullets lag switches work just like that. Again, client side prediction. The firing animations and hit effects are drawn on your console immediately while ammo consumption and updated player health is tied to whether or not the server actually confirms that a shot has been fired and connected. Yes, lag switches makes this happen but so do ordinary connection problems and there's no benefit to provoking it this behavior on your end that I'm aware of. gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: your mistake was to stop shooting[...] This is mostly correct. While chances of success depend on the specific kind of lag problem, it's the only and thus best thing you can do during firefights. Standing still will, at best, not help you and probably get yourself killed. gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns Finally something that has me intrigued. Can you elaborate on what exactly is happening on your and on your squadmates' screen respectively? It's possible the server recreates your lag switch caused spike for people looking at you to lessen the disadvantage of connection related problems on your end but the important question is whether there's any point in deliberately provoking this behavior. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns Finally something that has me intrigued. Can you elaborate on what exactly is happening on your and on your squadmates' screen respectively? It's possible the server recreates your lag switch caused spike for people looking at you to lessen the disadvantage of connection related problems on your end but the important question is whether there's any point in deliberately provoking this behavior.[/quote] four squad mates encounter another squad, as soon as they are targeted they dont take damage and the screen jumps then repeats, the enemy is strafing, then jumping back to the same spot then strafing i turned around and loked behind us and my visual lag stopped. i told the squad leader and then he turned and his lag stopped as i turned back around and the screen was repeating motions some as unrealistic as the guy strafing was walking off the platform then returning to a spot not as for back as the last Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2761	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:06:00 - [18] - Quote Can't lagswitch DUST. It's just that lag in DUST is so awful everyone thinks someone's cheating. The big deal here, is that other FPS games never really let you play against people who are not local. So the only time you see lag that bad is lagswitchers. DUST is unique in being a worldwide game, so lag is a lot more common. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1669	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:16:00 - [19] - Quote lag switchs dont work in dust u have to be the host if u tryed to lag switch in dust you would be a stand still target
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1456	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:45:00 - [20] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns Finally something that has me intrigued. Can you elaborate on what exactly is happening on your and on your squadmates' screen respectively? It's possible the server recreates your lag switch caused spike for people looking at you to lessen the disadvantage of connection related problems on your end but the important question is whether there's any point in deliberately provoking this behavior. four squad mates encounter another squad, as soon as they are targeted they dont take damage and the screen jumps then repeats, the enemy is strafing, then jumping back to the same spot then strafing i turned around and loked behind us and my visual lag stopped. i told the squad leader and then he turned and his lag stopped as i turned back around and the screen was repeating motions some as unrealistic as the guy strafing was walking off the platform then returning to a spot not as for back as the last I was of the impression that you were experimenting with your own switch and what'd do to your squad mates which would constitute a form of reproducible experiment in which case your finding would've been potentially interesting. Without that being the case there's no convincing reason to assume anything beyond ordinary coincidence. The reason I'm saying this is: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The fundamental principle of how lag switches work necessarily requires the "switcher" to be the physical host of the game session and/or to have some authority over the game state to provide him any form of benefit. In a game like dust the host and authoritative party is always a dedicated server (tranquility and its battleservers) that everyone else connects to as clients without said game state authority. The idea that lag switching does anything to help the "switcher" in dust (or any battlefield/cod game unless you host the game on your machine, for that matter) denies technical plausibility and is thus and extraordinary claim to make. In other words. I need more than isolated cases of lag that could have been caused by anything to be convinced. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...

R F Gyro Clones 4u 1427	Posted - 2014.06.27 22:09:00 - [21] - Quote You can't read too much into the fact that no-one has posted solid proof that lag switches work in Dust: the only way to do that would be for a lag switch user to post a video of them using it and getting an advantage, and if someone did then they'd presumably be banned and the post removed anyway. As many people have pointed out, lag switches probably don't work in Dust due to server-side physics & hit detection. However, Dust almost certainly has some sort of lag compensation, and it is entirely possible that some people have learned how to exploit that with a lag switch somehow. However, I suspect that the majority of people who claim to have seen someone else lag switching have simply been the unfortunate victim of standard server or network lag. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.06.27 22:14:00 - [22] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: i have proved it to corp mates in battle. three squad members with me, the lag would repeat, had them watch our six one at a time. turns out if your not sharing info with the lag switcher you wont lag ( they are not on your screen ) but when you look at them again the lag returns Finally something that has me intrigued. Can you elaborate on what exactly is happening on your and on your squadmates' screen respectively? It's possible the server recreates your lag switch caused spike for people looking at you to lessen the disadvantage of connection related problems on your end but the important question is whether there's any point in deliberately provoking this behavior. four squad mates encounter another squad, as soon as they are targeted they dont take damage and the screen jumps then repeats, the enemy is strafing, then jumping back to the same spot then strafing i turned around and loked behind us and my visual lag stopped. i told the squad leader and then he turned and his lag stopped as i turned back around and the screen was repeating motions some as unrealistic as the guy strafing was walking off the platform then returning to a spot not as for back as the last I was of the impression that you were experimenting with your own switch and what'd do to your squad mates which would constitute a form of reproducible experiment in which case your finding would've been potentially interesting. Without that being the case there's no convincing reason to assume anything beyond ordinary coincidence. The reason I'm saying this is: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The fundamental principle of how lag switches work necessarily requires the "switcher" to be the physical host of the game session and/or to have some authority over the game state to provide him any form of benefit. In a game like dust the host and authoritative party is always a dedicated server (tranquility and its battleservers) that everyone else connects to as clients without said game state authority. The idea that lag switching does anything to help the "switcher" in dust (or any battlefield/cod game unless you host the game on your machine, for that matter) denies technical plausibility and is thus an extraordinary claim to make. In other words. I need more than isolated cases of lag that could have been caused by anything to be convinced. Show me that you can deliberately and reproducibly use your lag switch to cause behavior that gives you a tangible competitive advantage over others. Then we'll talk. i agree that there is no advantage, but they are used. after being able to recognize them i win about 70% of the time and im good with that. in my battle field experiments the server would override the non lagged users info with the lagged info and give the advantage to the lagswitcher. in this game it doesnt overide anything, every one involved gets put back. my question is still how long can the server not recieve info from the client till that client is booted. and how does that effect the server stability Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5032	Posted - 2014.06.27 22:39:00 - [23] - Quote Anytime I play lately I seem to skip around. People send me mails thinking I'm lag switching. Even my logi says I'm skipping, believe me it sucks for us as well. I'm constantly running into walls falling off things and generally missing my shots. I even was banned for the first time for complaing about how bad the rubberbanding lag is. I sure hope they do something about it.
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.27 23:30:00 - [24] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: lag switchs dont work in dust u have to be the host if u tryed to lag switch in dust you would be a stand still target Another Vet, calls it o7 My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 65	Posted - 2014.06.28 00:35:00 - [25] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: They don't work in DUST. If I remember correctly for them to function properly you need to be the hostZ If this is the case, you flip that switch and everyone else sees you just standing there. In other words, lagswitcher = free kills. I've had this happen more than a few times when going up against a certain corp in pub matches...
Kurai Ronin Very Dangerous F'kn People 0	Posted - 2014.06.28 00:39:00 - [26] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Hey o7. I am really not that guy who is all upset and I have been pretty blessed in my time with dust as to not have to much problem with lag. I have had a lot of gameplay and never really come across anything but this encounter jst seemed shady and i would love some other opinions. The whole match had a laggy feel in and out but the encounter at 5:56 - 6:20 ish in this video made me wonder. I am not the most tech savy with this topic. Lagswitch Ambush? 5:56 - 6:20 What do you think? Cool Guys I'm gonna go make a poor attempt at getting some kills ......... lolz This is normal it happens when you play on battles from far regions
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.28 13:41:00 - [27] - Quote Kurai Ronin wrote: skippy678 wrote: Hey o7. I am really not that guy who is all upset and I have been pretty blessed in my time with dust as to not have to much problem with lag. I have had a lot of gameplay and never really come across anything but this encounter jst seemed shady and i would love some other opinions. The whole match had a laggy feel in and out but the encounter at 5:56 - 6:20 ish in this video made me wonder. I am not the most tech savy with this topic. Lagswitch Ambush? 5:56 - 6:20 What do you think? Cool Guys I'm gonna go make a poor attempt at getting some kills ......... lolz This is normal it happens when you play on battles from far regions The lag has been pretty unbearable lately, but thanks for all the insight guys o7 My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1206	Posted - 2014.06.28 13:52:00 - [28] - Quote People call lag switching all the time, however I just think it is netcode and latency issues. I always notice being in Europe, playing against South American corps usually induces a lot of lag on my end. They teleport around sometimes. Quite the challenge to kill them! Investigate 9/11
skippy678 The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 2481	Posted - 2014.06.28 18:30:00 - [29] - Quote So there is no such thing as a lag switch in dust. sounds good lolz My Youtube Lvl. 2 Forum Warrior Follow:@skippy6gaming #BetaVet
Guiltless D667 40	Posted - 2014.06.28 19:16:00 - [30] - Quote "This guy's using lag switches and cheatcodes!!!" "Dad this isnt Socom 2..." People see what they want to see even if it cant be done.The only time iv experience lag like this in recent memory was yesterday when squading up, everyone in the squad had to leave the game because we could walk without teleorting within the gernal areawhere we spawned,was probably because of the automatic sever filter setting, seeing as that the most likely candidate to cause latency issues between country severs,which is why i stick to my country's sever. A Strange Game.



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