Making changes/additions to FW is one thing, I am asking why we should not make the FW sides as equal as possible?

Ah ah the bonuses! I see what you mean, I was surprised when I found out the class bonuses didn't apply when using a different race of same class. it doesnt say in game anywhere either. Yeah i agree with this 100% why was this not already part of the game?

Thanks for clarifying

Because then during Uprising when logis had 1hp/s/level, I would have specced all of them to three so I'd have 14hp/s passive on top of 800 bricked armour :)

It saddens me to know that better matchmaking would have helped the game and its new player retention a long time ago. I can tell you though that we are hopefully making some progress on matchmaking, and specifically team making, based on cumulative WP/battlesecond, cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers, but I hadn't thought of WP/D. We will take a look at how that compares to our other data and calculate the correlation to W/L ratio and see how it performs.

This is independent work from hotfixes and will be deployed when ready.

Matchmaking like this is of course only in random matches, not PC.

Expand on FW please, why not, post the players faction choice.

If you gave us team deploy, no problem. Why?

Reason 1: Friendly fire! I do not want to be forced to squad up with any more randoms than absolutely necessary in a game mode where they can kill me and I can't do anything about it unless I want to waste the week or so of effort it takes to regain the standings loss from a TK ban.

Reason 2, 3 and 4: See reason 1.

Reason 5: FW is supposed to be competitive, right? A middle ground between pubs and PC?

So it shouldn't necessarily be treated the same way as pubs. As a competitive outlet, we should be able to q-sync in large groups to do our thing. Matchmaking would thwart that in the absence of a team deploy option.

Making changes/additions to FW is one thing, I am asking why we should not make the FW sides as equal as possible?

FW teams do need to be as balanced as possible, don't listen to whoever says so otherwise.

Because you can choose which faction you're fighting for as soon as one faction is winning, everyone flocks to that faction, e.g. Gal/Cal FW. Rail rifles have been more utilized than plasma rifles (at least before Bravo), yet all the pro players flocked to Gallente. Why? Because it became too reliable that Gallente almost always stomps Caldari. I feel that players don't even play Gal FW for the LP items, but to pad their KDRs against militia newbs on Caldari.

Today was particularly awful due to the event, because now it was a bunch of protos redlining Caldari militia almost every match. I actually play Caldari for the LP but I can't get anywhere with 75 LP/battle and 0 standings gains over multiple hours of play. It's so incredibly demoralizing and rage enducing, getting stomped every battle because you're the only player to score over 1000 WP on your team while the second place player doesn't even have 300.

Teams need to be balanced. Militia newbs against militia newbs. Stompers against stompers. And people who want to stomp won't be able to because they won't be playing militia newbs. And now there's reason to play Caldari FW, because those who play for LP will face teams of equal opposition instead of playing the demoralizing battles we got currently. I'd be much better for AFK'ing in the MCC than throwing away millions of ISK in hopeless battles.

FW teams do need to be as balanced as possible, don't listen to whoever says so otherwise.

Because you can choose which faction you're fighting for as soon as one faction is winning, everyone flocks to that faction, e.g. Gal/Cal FW. Rail rifles have been more utilized than plasma rifles (at least before Bravo), yet all the pro players flocked to Gallente. Why? Because it became too reliable that Gallente almost always stomps Caldari. I feel that players don't even play Gal FW for the LP items, but to pad their KDRs against militia newbs on Caldari.

Today was particularly awful due to the event, because now it was a bunch of protos redlining Caldari militia almost every match. I actually play Caldari for the LP but I can't get anywhere with 75 LP/battle and 0 standings gains over multiple hours of play. It's so incredibly demoralizing and rage enducing, getting stomped every battle because you're the only player to score over 1000 WP on your team while the second place player doesn't even have 300.

Teams need to be balanced. Militia newbs against militia newbs. Stompers against stompers. And people who want to stomp won't be able to because they won't be playing militia newbs. And now there's reason to play Caldari FW, because those who play for LP will face teams of equal opposition instead of playing the demoralizing battles we got currently. I'd be much better for AFK'ing in the MCC than throwing away millions of ISK in hopeless battles.

Balanced teams are fine by me, I just want to be able to play in larger groups. I fight for the Amarr, trust me that I feel your pain of railing against hopeless odds dodging awoxers while randoms spin around in circles shooting the MCC.

The issue you describe may occur, but I would argue it's due to the horrible payout structure. Why does everyone get the same LP regardless of what they did? Why do you get so little LP when you loose even if you were the only one on the team that did anything?

but I hadn't thought of WP/D. We will take a look at how that compares to our other data and calculate the correlation to W/L ratio and see how it performs.

FW teams do need to be as balanced as possible, don't listen to whoever says so otherwise.

Because you can choose which faction you're fighting for as soon as one faction is winning, everyone flocks to that faction, e.g. Gal/Cal FW. Rail rifles have been more utilized than plasma rifles (at least before Bravo), yet all the pro players flocked to Gallente. Why? Because it became too reliable that Gallente almost always stomps Caldari. I feel that players don't even play Gal FW for the LP items, but to pad their KDRs against militia newbs on Caldari.

Today was particularly awful due to the event, because now it was a bunch of protos redlining Caldari militia almost every match. I actually play Caldari for the LP but I can't get anywhere with 75 LP/battle and 0 standings gains over multiple hours of play. It's so incredibly demoralizing and rage enducing, getting stomped every battle because you're the only player to score over 1000 WP on your team while the second place player doesn't even have 300.

Teams need to be balanced. Militia newbs against militia newbs. Stompers against stompers. And people who want to stomp won't be able to because they won't be playing militia newbs. And now there's reason to play Caldari FW, because those who play for LP will face teams of equal opposition instead of playing the demoralizing battles we got currently. I'd be much better for AFK'ing in the MCC than throwing away millions of ISK in hopeless battles.

(Total kills, total war points, kill/death ratio, are all effectively useless measures for a leaderboard)

^ Everyone gets a 1st place sticker AND a participation trophy.

It saddens me to know that better matchmaking would have helped the game and its new player retention a long time ago. I can tell you though that we are hopefully making some progress on matchmaking, and specifically team making, based on cumulative WP/battlesecond, cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers, but I hadn't thought of WP/D. We will take a look at how that compares to our other data and calculate the correlation to W/L ratio and see how it performs.

This is independent work from hotfixes and will be deployed when ready.

Matchmaking like this is of course only in random matches, not PC.

....i need to get used to the interaction...

It saddens me to know that better matchmaking would have helped the game and its new player retention a long time ago. I can tell you though that we are hopefully making some progress on matchmaking, and specifically team making, based on cumulative WP/battlesecond, cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers, but I hadn't thought of WP/D. We will take a look at how that compares to our other data and calculate the correlation to W/L ratio and see how it performs.

This is independent work from hotfixes and will be deployed when ready.

Matchmaking like this is of course only in random matches, not PC.

Will there be ribbons? I like ribbons.


I think honestly you could even just make it something very simple like balancing the teams by career WP and it would still be leaps and bound ahead of what we have now.
That might be somethng for you to look into short term, Rattati, until you can build a more sophisticated algorithm.

Otherwise, if you are really forced into using only a single stat, WP/D is probably best, IMO, but if you're really going to do it right, I'm sure some kind of composite score could be made (I'm not heinz doofenshertz so I don't know what the best way to go about that is)

The other, absolutely mandatory condition that should need to be met is that if there is one full squad on team A, then the next squad should always be assigned to team B. For my money thats the single most important thing for a matchmaking system to do, there is literally no reason for one team to have 2 squads and the other to have none, but it happens all the time

The AI should then be able to shuffle the teams at the last second before deploying if a third squad shows up, such that the team with the highest "score" (total or average of whatever primary metric we chose, be it WP/D or something else) is always the one that ends up alone on one side. Invariably the Scrubs inc squad ends up alone on team A while Nyain San and a second squad of Nyain Chan all end up on team B with the current system.

Stuff that doesn't actually apply to what I said.

Expand on FW please, why not, post the players faction choice.

Agreed re: filling out the lp store. We should have consistent weapon types and suits available across the board with sensible parity(but please do something about the flaylock+give Amarr nades. It isn't uprising 1.2 anymore guys). Along with that I think if a market gets implemented the lp store will be good and useful however! That doesn't fix the issue with players not understanding how factional battles are spawned(last I checked the process was queue up FW, beat up eve player until they go fight in FW areas, watch your battle spawn. Am I wrong here?)

Class and race are separate skill. I don't understand what you mean there. Everything else you said is great man

Making changes/additions to FW is one thing, I am asking why we should not make the FW sides as equal as possible?

It saddens me to know that better matchmaking would have helped the game and its new player retention a long time ago. I can tell you though that we are hopefully making some progress on matchmaking, and specifically team making, based on cumulative WP/battlesecond, cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers, but I hadn't thought of WP/D. We will take a look at how that compares to our other data and calculate the correlation to W/L ratio and see how it performs.

This is independent work from hotfixes and will be deployed when ready.

Matchmaking like this is of course only in random matches, not PC.

Making changes/additions to FW is one thing, I am asking why we should not make the FW sides as equal as possible?