More specifically, HMG heavies. As it stands right now, there really are no counters outside of-proto min scout 5 with ishnoks (minimum 5 mil SP investment), Caldari scout with a shotgun (minimum 3.5 mil SP investment), boundless remotes (2 mil SP investment), or another heavy

With scouts, at least if the newbie sees the scout, they can kill it easily enough, but with an HMG heavy, even if the newb shoots first and hits all head shots, the heavy can just turn and kill the poor unfortunate newb in under a second with an HMG, before the newb can kill the heavy Heavies need to have some form of a balancing factor, considering they require the least amount of tactical skill to run, but have the highest amount of reward. Heavy suits themselves do not need much of a nerf, if any. The real problem is the heavy machine gun in combination with the highest HP suit in the game that can turn at the same speed as a triple kincatted minja.

Suggested nerfs for the heavy are a reduction in the range of the HMG in addition to a longer time to "focus" the death ray, as well as greatly increased overheat to reward skilled shooting versus "I'm going to spin in a circle and hold down R1 and kill everything around me".

Disclaimer: I have begun running an HMG heavy, and it is BEYOND easy mode. It is literally unkillable except to people with better HMG's and better heavies if you run it like a scout (read: use tactics to gain an advantage), so take it as you will

Ask Mr. Mustard, arguably one of the best Minjas in the game. That dude put me down in both my Amaar and Cal Sentinel suits at least 7 times during one match last week. I wasn't even raging, because it was pure skill... I admired it, actually. It involves knowledge of the maps, stealth, and flanking constantly. I never even saw that dude coming the majority of the time, until it was too late.

No offense, but most scouts these days don't know how to play scout -- they all want to go head to head, for some reason. And I include myself in that list, because I got proto Gal and Min scouts (on different toons), and I perform nowhere near the level in those suits that the best scouts do.

Well, after running my HMG heavy, I can tell you right now that the sustained killing power is ridiculous, and the only thing i die to is other HMG's. Iv only been SGed once by a proto cal scout, while fighting another HMG heavy.

Id really like to see something done about perhaps increased overheat as well as making aHMG's more long range and bHMG's more CQC killers

My ideas:
aHMG: Greatly reduce spread, keeps current damage, RoF is reduced to 2000-2100
bHMG: Keep everything the same, except the spread needs a slight increase

The heavy is specialised in killing and defense.

By the ops logic we should nerf scout stealth because its too good, nerf logi HP and equipment slots, nerf commandos extra lights slot, nerf assaults possible HP tank, nerf assault drop ship speed and, well tanks are already a joke.

Op is bad anyway, anyone who has played with or against it will know.

If you can't kill 'em, stay out of their way. It's not a difficult lesson.

The heavy is specialised in killing and defense.

By the ops logic we should nerf scout stealth because its too good, nerf logi HP and equipment slots, nerf commandos extra lights slot, nerf assaults possible HP tank, nerf assault drop ship speed and, well tanks are already a joke.

Op is bad anyway, anyone who has played with or against it will know.

Yeah I agree. He is worried heavies are making it harder for new players, but really his style is far more oppressive to a new player.

A heavy with a HMG will just be a target that scares new players into retreating. It soaks up damage but its lethal range dropoff is significant. New players will run at a heavy HMG once. After that they learn to keep distance.

As a new player, I would find it much more frustrating and discouraging to be up against invisible enemies than can OHK me.

So your another crap player (your corp tag confirms this anyway) and you admit to be a neckbeard by using links rather than actually making a point.

10/10

Im laughing too hard
Noob assuming corp=skill.

You all are though.

I'm not the one making out that stuff is op when its not either, noob.

So you whine that heavies are op when they are not and you think you are good?.

You are delusional.

Oh and a bunch of nubs made your nub corp bigger?, well done.

You're in a corp called neckbeard absolution

I didn't ask you if you could read but well done.

Here's a gold star sticker.

Leave the heavies alone.

The heavies are all o.p...

REALLY?

you must be playing a different game.

almost all of my deaths as a heavy come from scouts. shotguns or r.es both do the job just fine.

turning speed?

er.. NO. you are asking for the ability to one shot heavies and because you can't get that you want to make it so they can't defend themselves instead.

not all heavies are the same either do you even know which heavies you have a problem with? gallente? caldari? amarr? minmatar? do you know what their modules are? damage mods? kinkats? maybe they are the heavies who got sick and tired of scouts putting them down without the chance to fight back?

I say then that scouts are o.p and are ruining the game... maybe they should have less cpu and pg then they can't fit cloaks and r.es together, or maybe as shotguns are the ultimate weapon at the moment then they should be upgraded to a heavy weapon take them away from scouts all together.

(clearly being devils advocate there)

you are saying that the lightest armour suit in the game should be able to kill the heaviest armoured before they have chance to react. in what way does that make sense?

the word scout should be a clue here...

a scout ranges ahead of the team to 'scout' an area, they locate the enemy (scans), check for the best route (in dust drop uplinks), try to subvert the enemy plans either by sabotage or intel or by careful planning (remote traps,proximity mines,hacking objectives, flanking heavy troops that are already occupiedby other players,etc)
they are not supposed to be running at heavily defended areas head on.

Also look at the term flanking a little better, the word flank means "side" the term "flanking" is a shortened version of "outflank"
meaning to approach from past the side of the enemy, it actually stems from days as long past as the romans and would usually be done by cavalry charges once the army had engaged in battle, the reason being that the forces were committed to direction and would not have the ability to turn around therefore leaving them vulnerable and disorganised.

in dust terms
to outflank a heavy you should wait until they are being distracted or are shooting at somebody else before trying to kill them, at the very least you should have a good idea of whether or not you will be able to cope with that target. (if you can or can't ohk? if you can't and they then find you will you be able to beat them?)

if you can't kill them alone get help.
this is all basic human thought pattern, you do something similar every single time you cross a street i.e is there a car? can I stand in front of a moving car? should I cross now or wait till it's gone?

once again this is just another example of people who wish to be clinically dead from the neck up whilst they lay waste to people in a fps.

So you whine that heavies are op when they are not and you think you are good?.

You are delusional.

Oh and a bunch of nubs made your nub corp bigger?, well done.

F*** off. I am sick of whiners who complain about everything. Skill into what is killing you and HTFU.

*fistbump*

You'll have to give me some knifing tips some time :)

Who are you again? Also, everyone who reads this, please report him/her/it for trolling, its pretty annoying now.