A question to those heavy defenders.

How do you counter heavy spam on an objective map? Not just a couple of heavies, but when the enemy team is spamming them.

Shotgun scouts don't work because you get gibbed by a HMG even if its not your target's one (and also if it's a high level sentinel it can take 4 shots to kill them, at which point they have most certainly turned around and killed you).
REs will get spotted if you start using them frequently against them.

No other class has a prayer of taking them on. You generally can't take them at range because in an objective there's cover and a lot of them will force you to within 20m of the heavy.

Complaining about a weapon that's SUPPOSE to kill...KILL everything in its range? What's the range? 10-15m? before dmg drop off?

I remember the days when I would turn and run away from a heavy... then I remember the days when I used to laugh at heavies while I proceeded to light them up with my AR... now I see people are crying about them being a fearful figure on the battlefield again.

As someone mentioned above, nerfing the magazine size might be the best way to nerf something that's doing its job.

Problem is while other weapons got a dmg nerf, the HMG didn't, so it basically got a buff vs other weapons. Is that the problem? Before it was shooting spitballs at people.

I look back at days when I feared assaults more in CQC than Heavies... just lol... but I guess that's what people want again.

The only TRUE counter is more heavys. I personally find the forge gun can be a deadly counter but its totally dependant on skill shots. None of this HMG spray and prey.

unforutntley the hmg's optimal reaches out to 40 with effective of 60.

ironically this is where the assault rifles ranges are.

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Bullshit. There is a thing called spread. You are losing 90% of your DPS from that range with the HMG. The rifles are not.

I swear to god, talking to people who play this game is like having a back-and-fourth with a 12 year old who thinks they know something because they overheard one of their friends talking about it.

I ... there is consensus on reducing the turn speed ...

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A question to those heavy defenders.

How do you counter heavy spam on an objective map? Not just a couple of heavies, but when the enemy team is spamming them.

Shotgun scouts don't work because you get gibbed by a HMG even if its not your target's one (and also if it's a high level sentinel it can take 4 shots to kill them, at which point they have most certainly turned around and killed you).
REs will get spotted if you start using them frequently against them.

No other class has a prayer of taking them on. You generally can't take them at range because in an objective there's cover and a lot of them will force you to within 20m of the heavy.

I'm sorry my man, but this simply is not an fair characterization of heavy vs. scout play, at least from the heavy perspective. It's true that you can turn much quicker than before, but it's still pretty easy to get pwned by a good shotgun scout or REs. And it's not simply a matter of whipping around then spray and pray -- even if I whip around quick enough, I still have to get a bead on the quick bastard and keep up with his quicker strafing ability to put him down. It takes maybe 2-3 good shots to end a heavy, and it's pretty easy to lose to a scout even if you do have time to whip around and fire, because by the time you do, he only needs one more killing shot.

There's a lot more skill involved in evading a shotgun to the back of the head that you are giving heavies credit for. Not trying to be argumentative with you, just saying.

TL;DR Heavies are too good at point defense (their role),nerf them!

Unless you're talking about HMG+ Heavy + LAV killing,working as intended.


Also, i've noticed a rather lethal weakness with heavies....over confidence in their high eHP,and most are situationally blind(tunnel vision).

Try this...
-See heavy
-Plant REs as a trap
-Shoot heavy once
-Let the heavy "chase you"
-Occasionally turn around and shoot,just enough to keep their attention
-Lead them to the REs
-Make a "last stand" ducking into and out of cover
-Blow up REs
- +50 kill

For everything else theres mastercard.

A clip size nerf might just do it, actually.

Think about it: the HMG would become a breaching weapon- you want the first guy through the door to have one, but after that you'll need assault rifles and the like to back it up.
While a group of HMG heavies would initially be devastating, they would all be reloading by the time a shotgun scout runs into the room as backup.

Ok, I can sympathize with the heavies, but you have to at least grant the fact that an immobile scout is a dead scout, and this comes from the sprinting glitch, and also the slug bullets which we're still experiencing now. Also it takes an average of 4 SG shots to kill a heavy, and up to 5 or 6 shots for a Gall Heavy, which to me makes it a little too hard to kill a heavy, and not taking into account the really bad hit detection from the shotgun.

I like the way you think.

This weapon is utterly OP. In one second you can just mow down scouts, and in two you mow down assaults. Granted the role of the heavy is to do a lot more damage but sacrifice speed, however there is too much damage. This is certainly evident from just the fact of when many of the weapons were nerfed in 1.8. However, the HMG was left untouched and furthermore had it's range buffed. Even though it didn't receive any future buffs, it did however gain an indirect buff due to the nerfs of all the other weapons. A single bullet does almost as much as a Six Kin Combat Rifle's, currently, yet it has twice the rate of fire. That means the HMG is doing almost twice the damage of a Six Kin, and the Six Kin is still an extremely deadly weapon.

In this respect I suggest the HMG receive a slight nerf, to balance it's power/role compared to the other weapons. When many weapons were nerfed in 1.8, they were generally nerfed by about 10%, and in the same manner, the HMG's firepower should be reduced from 18.00 to 16.00, (1.8 rounded to 2). This should and would balance out the HMG making balanced in comparison to other weapons.

There are a lot of ways to break that scenario, but basically what is happening is the heavy is very good at entrenching into an area and holding lesser frames off when he has radar and nanohive support. But this is EXACTLY how it should be. The heavy frame absorbs all of the benefits his team gives to him and becomes an avatar of destruction. Without those benefits he's just a big, dumb, blind giant. First of all, if you let them entrench in the first place and you need to pay the price for that. I'm tired of hearing my own guys complain about this, it's scrubby as hell. If you're attempting to win then it is not acceptable to let such a thing happen like it's a small deal and expect to get it back easily because your theoretical gun game is superior. That's some 13 year old "im good at video games why aren't i winning?" logic, and I saw it every day when I was playing.

When someone clamps down on a point with large frames, you siege them. It's as simple as that. Back when I was playing PC every day even in FA we had people running into an objective over and over and over trying to take it and be the hero, or the more consolidated approach was to wait for 2 or 3 people and then push like it would make any real difference. That's just rolling the dice on hoping somebody on the enemy side wandered off and weakened their position. It's stupid. Was anybody going to high ground and shelling them with mass drivers? No. Rarely if ever. And that's a failure derived from ego.

A siege has to be done in a methodical fashion. You surround an area, specifically from high ground, you shell the hell out of it and destroy all enemy equipment and cut off uplink and nanohive support. Then, when the enemy is widdled down, you move in as a team.




Bullshit. There is a thing called spread. You are losing 90% of your DPS from that range with the HMG. The rifles are not.

I swear to god, talking to people who play this game is like having a back-and-fourth with a 12 year old who thinks they know something because they overheard one of their friends talking about it.

But what about the sprinting glitch and slug effect you experience from the HMG bullets? A scout that is frozen makes it completely pointless and is essentially suicide.

Wait a sec, a scout complaining that he gets killed too quickly because he is using the suit with the lowest amount of HP? Get your passive scan skills up and you can shot heavys in the back. Thats what i do and i dont think that the HMG is OP. I play as scout, heavy and logi and know all up and downsides to it. heavys are there for close quarter point defense but have very crappy passive scanning skills.