on my logi alt, Im loving the update

Idk what you're running but you're doing it wrong. stack armor plates, 2 damage mods, 2 shields, and run an AR or ACR for dealing with pesky scouts, as these weapons work really quite well against them. Strafing helps too, as well as using cover (including your heavy)

Really, there is no reason to complain that your role got buffed, and your slayer capacity got nerfed

Trying to get people to balance in your favor based on arguments that anyone can see are presented with gross exaggeration is exactly how we end up with problems in this game and the community. Slandering other specializations simply because fotm is noxious is a bad way to go about getting the buffs you want.

People are aware that there are issues with medium frames, ranting and raving just because you die in a proto suit is childish and immature.

I`d suggest that if you want things, you express yourself in a composed logical manner, presenting actual points of evidence and information not just anecdotes and slander.

Are you ******** or just blind?

I put the Cal logi stats up,showing a gross imbalance.

Maybe you missed the whole ``people are aware there are issues with medium frames`` bit, so I have to pose your own question to you, are you ******** or just blind?

I think the responses are about your presentation and has nothing to do with logis. It can be a tough role to play but on the other hand you can shove a rep tool up a heavies keester andthe WP starts rolling in. Sometimes you are rewarded far above the impact you have.

They will be looking at both medium suits and scouts regarding equipment slits, because you are right, a logi suit doesn't let you logi as well as a scout suit right now and I personally don't see much benefit from the bonuses. So its scouts and heavies right now, we all know it, no one is singling out logis for scorn and abuse.

I knew some ******** would bring up "slayerlogis".

My KDR .52 I kill only in self defense,i try to (un)successfully run away first.

You run a slayer fit,i have 0 dmg mods,my weapon is a MAGSEC,i use a cardiac reg,complex recharger,enh ferroscale plate complex armor repair,3 enh shield extenders,1 enh shield recharger on my Mk.0

My job isn't to kill things its to survive and aid others in doing so.

Take your "well you must be a noob logi" comment and go choke on it.

Trying to get people to balance in your favor based on arguments that anyone can see are presented with gross exaggeration is exactly how we end up with problems in this game and the community. Slandering other specializations simply because fotm is noxious is a bad way to go about getting the buffs you want.

People are aware that there are issues with medium frames, ranting and raving just because you die in a proto suit is childish and immature.

I`d suggest that if you want things, you express yourself in a composed logical manner, presenting actual points of evidence and information not just anecdotes and slander.

Thought you ran the gk.0

I used to til 1.8 when i changed to a Mk.0 for the rep bonus.

Boy was that a mistake,Min logis are about x10 easier to kill unless they brick tank.

Whoa.. Min logi is the best by far. That rep bonus is absurd. Find a gallente heavy and use the core focused rep... You actually can't lose.

Has nothing to do with the "making the game balanced" at any rate. Scouts can stack armors with the speed advantages and overall, to get the same effect as a scout, a logi can't ever do. A scout shouldn't be there also replacing the role of the assault suit but, it really is no one's arguing that as being false. The game is really w/e wpn's are best and a scout and heavy frame at the moment. Kind of getting tired of always using an assault or logi suit in the end.


It really has to do with the Assault and Logi having no real purpose at this stage of the game....vehicles can pretty much stand already high rates of damage and come back in 30 seconds fully repaired *shrugs*. Scouts can utilize it's overall speed and high armor rating that can pass up an assault to avoid shots and take them in equal measure. A heavy frame can use repairs but the change in HMG does make it less likely they need as many repairs. The extra slots to scout give way instead of too cloaks to additional hives; not having only one to work with still goes to their favor.

It's one thing to rant off and another to keep pointing to the obvious. Maybe CCP will survive, who knows. I jsut know they can't keep depending on EVE for income and Dust seems like it's not going to be a cash cow for them like in the past.

If you idiots stop asking for the wrong nerfs and buffs, maybe it wouldn't be like this?

I think the problem is the m in mk.0
that really should be a g

EDIT: Scouts don't sacrifice a sidearm for 2 EQ slots
Logis have 3 therefore the sacrifice must occur.

The way CCP has this system balanced they are essentially saying "a sports car (2 seater) can carry 4 people without discomfort or loss of speed" then they say "a sedan (4 seater) can carry 4 people but it'll cost a tire,a windshield,and all the airbags in the car"

Crazy right? The sedan (logistics) must sacrifice for it's sole purpose,yet the sports car (scout) doesn't?

I have been a logi from..umh... forever more or less and i agree that with scouts having 2 equip slots logis needs a bit more hp (still less that assaults) or more speed (same as assaults).

The problem is evident with standard caldari logis that have the same equip as a scout but less spees, a bigger profile and about the same hp and slots.

Okay, i played a few games and realized that my standard fit gallente logi, compared to a standard-fit Gallente Scout:
-Have LESS hp (10 or so)
-Is slower (by a lot)
-Have a much bigger hitbox
-Is a lot easier to scan
-Have no sidearm
-Cannot fit a damage mod
+Have 1 more equipment slot.

I ended up playing agains a team of full proto gallente scouts and ALL of the had as much hp as my stacked plated gallente logis, while being faster, more armed, harder to hit with the only drawback of having 1 less equpement slot.









Off Topic: I think i'll just quit dust, after 2 years of "developemet" ccp achieved nothing, the game looks crap, doesen't have any of the promised features and ccp can't balance ****.
The freaking Star Citizen PRE ALPHA is more stable and less laggy/buggy than dust

Logi need a new slot layout to help you play with lower tier logi and be in par with other suit of your same tier level.

Another thing is the bonus on equipments, it's too restrictive, all the medium frames (logi and assaults) should have bonus for their survavibility.
Something like:
-10% armor plates movement penalty per level (good for a revisited amarr logi)
+5% walking speed per level (good for a minlogi, to follow other suits) (min logi have always been the best for RRR imo)
+5% armor repper efficiency per level (old amarr bonus, would give it to gal logi)
+5% shield extender efficiency per level (old bonus, but if they revisit the cal logi with a 5-3-4 layout it would not be scandalous)
I would give better e-war capabilites, to make logi a mid way from scouts and assaults, something like 45 profile, 48 prec and 20 meters range.

Then i would proceed to adjust all scouts profile signature to be 39 (instead of 35), precision to be 43 (instead of 40) and a buff on range to be 25 meters.
Cal and gal should get another bonus set (nothing related to EW), then they would be balanced with other scouts.
Also, minscout should lose bonus on NK and keep a single bonus.

After all these efforts, i would cut Heavy eHP by 10% and everything would be alright, imo.

Logi need a new slot layout to help you play with lower tier logi and be in par with other suit of your same tier level.

Another thing is the bonus on equipments, it's too restrictive, all the medium frames (logi and assaults) should have bonus for their survavibility.
Something like:
-10% armor plates movement penalty per level (good for a revisited amarr logi)
+5% walking speed per level (good for a minlogi, to follow other suits) (min logi have always been the best for RRR imo)
+5% armor repper efficiency per level (old amarr bonus, would give it to gal logi)
+5% shield extender efficiency per level (old bonus, but if they revisit the cal logi with a 5-3-4 layout it would not be scandalous)
I would give better scanning capabilites, to make logi a mid way from scouts and assaults, something like 45 profile, 48 prec and 20 meters range.

Then i would proceed to adjust all scouts profile signature to be 39 (instead of 35), precision to be 43 (instead of 40) and a buff on range to be 25 meters.
Cal and gal should get another bonus set (nothing related to EW), then they would be balanced with other scouts.
Also, minscout should lose bonus on NK and keep a single bonus.

After all these efforts, i would cut Heavy eHP by 10% and everything would be alright, imo.

About you're moronic statement (see underlined).


All logistics but the Cal logistics.

Cal logistics has to sacrifice for +1 at basic.

So you think logistics must sacrifice when it was specifically designed for that purpose?

Yet scouts which weren't shouldn't have to?

Simply amazing how stupid you are,it baffels my mind.

Yo go way out of your way to be aggressive that's what is confusing.

So this is an issue with the Callogi then, because I have never used a Callogi only Gall and Amarr. The Amarr Logi is on par with scouts so what's the issue there? In fact don't Amarr Logis get 3 EQ at proto with a Sidearm when scouts have a consistent two? Gallogi follows the progression of 3 EQ without a sidearm and even get four (+2) for a sidearm. So your whole point is on the Caldari? Yet for your story you used mk.0 - that's confusing -

So yes in the end I think that if you have 2 EQ you should have a sidearm. 3 lose the sidearm. Proto assaults get two EQ and a sidearm. The scouts are no different from Amarr Logi in terms of fitting layout so you are complaining specifically on scouts, as if scouts are the scapegoat for your beef with CCP sweeping logis under the rug. Why don't you take on the Logistics quit trying to inadvertently **** with scout suits it took fricken months upon months of feedback to get them to even halfway decent spot. And now that CCP screwed up and made them a little too good you flip the barn and call witchhunt because one of four of your toys has a broken EQ slot......

Dude chase the Logistics trail and stick to that because Logistics is what you know.

Yo go way out of your way to be aggressive that's what is confusing.

So this is an issue with the Callogi then, because I have never used a Callogi only Gall and Amarr. The Amarr Logi is on par with scouts so what's the issue there? In fact don't Amarr Logis get 3 EQ at proto with a Sidearm when scouts have a consistent two? Gallogi follows the progression of 3 EQ without a sidearm and even get four (+2) for a sidearm. So your whole point is on the Caldari? Yet for your story you used mk.0 - that's confusing -

So yes in the end I think that if you have 2 EQ you should have a sidearm. 3 lose the sidearm. Proto assaults get two EQ and a sidearm. The scouts are no different from Amarr Logi in terms of fitting layout so you are complaining specifically on scouts, as if scouts are the scapegoat for your beef with CCP sweeping logis under the rug. Why don't you take on the Logistics quit trying to inadvertently **** with scout suits it took fricken months upon months of feedback to get them to even halfway decent spot. And now that CCP screwed up and made them a little too good you flip the barn and call witchhunt because one of four of your toys has a broken EQ slot......

Dude chase the Logistics trail and stick to that because Logistics is what you know.

You fail to see the problem.
The problem is not that logis don't have a sidearm, that is perfectly fine.
The problem is not that scouts have 2 equip slots, they had them in closed beta too.

The problem is that scouts have a sidearm, 2 equip slots and THE SAME HP AS LOGI WHILE BEING FASTER AND HARDER TO SCAN.

If the caldari logi had significant more hp than a caldari scout and wasn't so slow it would be a valid alternative.

Currently scouts are straight up better(basic and advanced caldari/amarr) or near as good (all the others) as logis at doing the logis work, while also being good at their own role.

You fail to see the problem.
The problem is not that logis don't have a sidearm, that is perfectly fine.
The problem is not that scouts have 2 equip slots, they had them in closed beta too.

The problem is that scouts have a sidearm, 2 equip slots and THE SAME HP AS LOGI WHILE BEING FASTER AND HARDER TO SCAN.

If the caldari logi had significant more hp than a caldari scout and wasn't so slow it would be a valid alternative.

Currently scouts are straight up better(basic and advanced caldari/amarr) or near as good (all the others) as logis at doing the logis work, while also being good at their own role.

I fail to see a reason to make changes to scouts to fix logistics so we can have logis still take the place of assault suits . obviously changes should be made to logistics so it can have a noticeable advantage in its role over scouts yet unable to persist in occupying the role of assaults

TL;DR NURF DEM SLOTZ.

lolno,CCP has stated there will be modules that further increase equipment efficiency and logistics is future proofed for that.

And scouts are occupying assaults role better than even "slayer logis" could.

So scouts are negating 2 suits logistics and assaults.
Whilst sacrificing nothing and even out performing both.

Scout suit is out performing assaults at assaulting but so are logis so ....

I fail to see a reason to make changes to scouts to fix logistics so we can have logis still take the place of assault suits . obviously changes should be made to logistics so it can have a noticeable advantage in its role over scouts yet unable to persist in occupying the role of assaults