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Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

I think the problem is the m in mk.0
that really should be a g

EDIT: Scouts don't sacrifice a sidearm for 2 EQ slots
Logis have 3 therefore the sacrifice must occur.

About you're moronic statement (see underlined).

Meee One wrote:

The way CCP has this system balanced they are essentially saying "a sports car (2 seater) can carry 4 people without discomfort or loss of speed" then they say "a sedan (4 seater) can carry 4 people but it'll cost a tire,a windshield,and all the airbags in the car"

Crazy right? The sedan (logistics) must sacrifice for it's sole purpose,yet the sports car (scout) doesn't?

All logistics but the Cal logistics.

Cal logistics has to sacrifice for +1 at basic.

So you think logistics must sacrifice when it was specifically designed for that purpose?

Yet scouts which weren't shouldn't have to?

Simply amazing how stupid you are,it baffels my mind. Shocked

Yo go way out of your way to be aggressive that's what is confusing.

So this is an issue with the Callogi then, because I have never used a Callogi only Gall and Amarr. The Amarr Logi is on par with scouts so what's the issue there? In fact don't Amarr Logis get 3 EQ at proto with a Sidearm when scouts have a consistent two? Gallogi follows the progression of 3 EQ without a sidearm and even get four (+2) for a sidearm. So your whole point is on the Caldari? Yet for your story you used mk.0 - that's confusing -

So yes in the end I think that if you have 2 EQ you should have a sidearm. 3 lose the sidearm. Proto assaults get two EQ and a sidearm. The scouts are no different from Amarr Logi in terms of fitting layout so you are complaining specifically on scouts, as if scouts are the scapegoat for your beef with CCP sweeping logis under the rug. Why don't you take on the Logistics quit trying to inadvertently **** with scout suits it took fricken months upon months of feedback to get them to even halfway decent spot. And now that CCP screwed up and made them a little too good you flip the barn and call witchhunt because one of four of your toys has a broken EQ slot......

Dude chase the Logistics trail and stick to that because Logistics is what you know.


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Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 546	Posted - 2014.06.14 07:48:00 - [1] - Quote I have been a logi from..umh... forever more or less and i agree that with scouts having 2 equip slots logis needs a bit more hp (still less that assaults) or more speed (same as assaults). The problem is evident with standard caldari logis that have the same equip as a scout but less spees, a bigger profile and about the same hp and slots.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 547	Posted - 2014.06.14 09:26:00 - [2] - Quote Okay, i played a few games and realized that my standard fit gallente logi, compared to a standard-fit Gallente Scout: -Have LESS hp (10 or so) -Is slower (by a lot) -Have a much bigger hitbox -Is a lot easier to scan -Have no sidearm -Cannot fit a damage mod +Have 1 more equipment slot. I ended up playing agains a team of full proto gallente scouts and ALL of the had as much hp as my stacked plated gallente logis, while being faster, more armed, harder to hit with the only drawback of having 1 less equpement slot. Off Topic: I think i'll just quit dust, after 2 years of "developemet" ccp achieved nothing, the game looks crap, doesen't have any of the promised features and ccp can't balance ****. The freaking Star Citizen PRE ALPHA is more stable and less laggy/buggy than dust
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 549	Posted - 2014.06.14 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Meee One wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I think the problem is the m in mk.0 that really should be a g EDIT: Scouts don't sacrifice a sidearm for 2 EQ slots Logis have 3 therefore the sacrifice must occur. About you're moronic statement (see underlined). Meee One wrote: The way CCP has this system balanced they are essentially saying "a sports car (2 seater) can carry 4 people without discomfort or loss of speed" then they say "a sedan (4 seater) can carry 4 people but it'll cost a tire,a windshield,and all the airbags in the car" Crazy right? The sedan (logistics) must sacrifice for it's sole purpose,yet the sports car (scout) doesn't? All logistics but the Cal logistics. Cal logistics has to sacrifice for +1 at basic. So you think logistics must sacrifice when it was specifically designed for that purpose? Yet scouts which weren't shouldn't have to? Simply amazing how stupid you are,it baffels my mind. Yo go way out of your way to be aggressive that's what is confusing. So this is an issue with the Callogi then, because I have never used a Callogi only Gall and Amarr. The Amarr Logi is on par with scouts so what's the issue there? In fact don't Amarr Logis get 3 EQ at proto with a Sidearm when scouts have a consistent two? Gallogi follows the progression of 3 EQ without a sidearm and even get four (+2) for a sidearm. So your whole point is on the Caldari? Yet for your story you used mk.0 - that's confusing - So yes in the end I think that if you have 2 EQ you should have a sidearm. 3 lose the sidearm. Proto assaults get two EQ and a sidearm. The scouts are no different from Amarr Logi in terms of fitting layout so you are complaining specifically on scouts, as if scouts are the scapegoat for your beef with CCP sweeping logis under the rug. Why don't you take on the Logistics quit trying to inadvertently **** with scout suits it took fricken months upon months of feedback to get them to even halfway decent spot. And now that CCP screwed up and made them a little too good you flip the barn and call witchhunt because one of four of your toys has a broken EQ slot...... Dude chase the Logistics trail and stick to that because Logistics is what you know. You fail to see the problem. The problem is not that logis don't have a sidearm, that is perfectly fine. The problem is not that scouts have 2 equip slots, they had them in closed beta too. The problem is that scouts have a sidearm, 2 equip slots and THE SAME HP AS LOGI WHILE BEING FASTER AND HARDER TO SCAN. If the caldari logi had significant more hp than a caldari scout and wasn't so slow it would be a valid alternative. Currently scouts are straight up better(basic and advanced caldari/amarr) or near as good (all the others) as logis at doing the logis work, while also being good at their own role.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 553	Posted - 2014.06.15 06:02:00 - [4] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Martin0 Brancaleone wrote: You fail to see the problem. The problem is not that logis don't have a sidearm, that is perfectly fine. The problem is not that scouts have 2 equip slots, they had them in closed beta too. The problem is that scouts have a sidearm, 2 equip slots and THE SAME HP AS LOGI WHILE BEING FASTER AND HARDER TO SCAN. If the caldari logi had significant more hp than a caldari scout and wasn't so slow it would be a valid alternative. Currently scouts are straight up better(basic and advanced caldari/amarr) or near as good (all the others) as logis at doing the logis work, while also being good at their own role. I fail to see a reason to make changes to scouts to fix logistics so we can have logis still take the place of assault suits . obviously changes should be made to logistics so it can have a noticeable advantage in its role over scouts yet unable to persist in occupying the role of assaults I agree with you, i don't want to make logis the best at everything, i want logis to be the best at equipement-related-stuff. Logis with less hp than assaults is fine, logis aving the same hp as scouts is a bit more distrubing I would give all logis bonuses for ALL equipement, with a stronger bonus for their racial one Example: The caldari logi now is: Caldari Logistics: +10% to nanohive maximum nanites and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level. My idea: Caldari Logistics: +10% to nanohive maximum nanites, +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level and 2% to repair tool rep amount, drop uplink spawn time, and active scanners duration. Gallente would be: Gallente Logistics: +10% to active scanner visibility duration, +5% to active scanner precision per level and 2% to nanohives maximum nanites, to repair tool rep amount and drop uplink spawn time. Maybe match logi speed with their assault counterpart. This way logi become the best at equipement and still have a strong racial flavour.