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1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1853	Posted - 2014.06.10 06:19:00 - [1] - Quote The Pursuit of Goods Fights in Planetary Conquest We here in 0uter.Heaven wish to propose an idea to you, the members of the community, of our goals and ideas to improve the overall Planetary Conquest experience. Many corporations before have attempted this and have all but failed due to lack of vision for the community and rather a focus on benefiting themselves. We want to create an environment where corporations, who at least have a team of 16 able and ready mercenaries, are able to experience the highest level of competition Dust514 has to offer. However, we donGÇÖt want to bite off more than we can chew by trying to do something like; control the entirety of Molden Heath, as this only creates more problems than it solves. As such, we would like to focus our efforts on the Almur constellation, creating opportunities for corporations to obtain districts in the Sakulda, Hedaleolfarber and Altbrard systems and have good, competitive PC battles. In order to do this, we must first open up a majority of the districts currently occupied by large entities and stronger tier corporations in Almur. Once this is done we wish to distribute these district back to the community as either gifts or purchasable real estate. We have no interest in vacating all the corporations who already hold land, unless you are not actively using your districts to participate in PC battles with us and the community. Ultimately, we wish to make the rest of the system available to more corporations and promote the pursuit of good fights in PC. Currently, 0uter.Heaven owns 15 districts in the Almur System and we plan to hold no more than 25% of the constellation. There are a total of 55 districts in Almur, which leaves 40 districts available to be utilized by PC hungry corporations regardless of size. An ideal situation would be for participating corporations to hold 2 districts (for a total of 20 corporations), for an opportunity to play PCs without the fear/threat of losing land and getting kicked out from PC, but these are merely ideas as I am waiting to see if we actually have 20 more corporations that are interested in experiencing PC. There are currently a total of 20 corporations that resides in Almur as of Tuesday, June 10th. These corporations are: -+ 0uter.Heaven -+ Ultramarine Corp -+ Grupo de Asalto Chacal -+ LastVendetta. -+ D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N -+ KEQ -+ Nyain San -+ Nyain Chan -+ Molon Labe -+ DDB -+ GUTZ -+ Rising Suns -+ Gods Among Men -+ Eternal Beings -+ The Phoenix Federation -+ Exiled Elite Templars -+ The Last of Dust -+ Planet Express -+ Ravenclawarts514 -+ The Southern Legion We ask that these corporations, who currently hold land in Almur to contact; 1st Lieutenant Tiberius, WhataguyTTU or Reiselia regarding this plan we have proposed and your thoughts/opinions about it and ultimately help us create an environment where the community may experience the thrill and excitement of playing with their brothers and sisters at Dust514GÇÖs highest level of competition, as we do here in 0uter.Heaven. Once these districts are made available, our plan right now is sell/redistribute these districts in Almur to able and ready corporations for 50 million ISK (Production Facility/Surface Research) and 65 million ISK (Cargo Hub). This will provide the community with an option to grind a minimum of 90 million ISK to flip a production facility with clones pack (an extra 45 mil for a cargo hub) or to grind out 50 to 65 million ISK to purchase/acquire a district from 0uter.Heaven. As with all good systems it must first be implemented then maintained, and with these ideas we want to be as transparent as possible to the community in communicating our goal of providing you with Planetary Conquest battles, so please do not hesitate to contact us or reply here with any suggestions or ideas you have to make this concept a reality, help us make it easier for you to experience Planetary Conquest. PC battles have been exclusive to a very small portion of the player base and itGÇÖs time we changed that. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 766	Posted - 2014.06.10 06:28:00 - [2] - Quote Don't you wanta Wanta Fanta, don't you wanata Wanta Fanta oooo Nibbles Spinning spinning getting dizzy you need something fresh and fizzy. Don't you wanta? "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 638	Posted - 2014.06.10 07:40:00 - [3] - Quote If you have any question about are district in that area feel free to contact me in game about the ideas you have for newer corps to get in to PC. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3546	Posted - 2014.06.10 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote Haven't you realised by now that everytime this happens, the corps getting helped simply get attacked repeatedly and then their district is taken. I have seen it happen 4 times now with this possibly being the fifth. Afterwards you are left with that list of the same corps. If you really seriously want to help them, give newer corps the isk they need to stay in PC, that's the biggest problem. No amount of help means sht if they don't have enough isk to stay and once they get kicked out and that year long grinds worth of isk is gone, they quit the game altogether. You must understand that PC as a higher level of play has the least variety in each match, its very bland and boring and people will not grind isk for a time consuming game mode that excludes 90% of peoples preferred loadouts and play styles. Just saying. If you stop moving You die Dance with me
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.06.10 13:20:00 - [5] - Quote ERA supports this message. We will NOT attack anyone in the Almur constellation unless OH has deemed them open to attack/remover(hence the removal in the corp tag) We also, will offer our services to ring in defences for any teams deemed fit to hold land there. Prices for ringing to be determined, but it will be at a large discount to show our support to this venture. To the large groups already inhabiting this area. Please contact a smaller corp that you know that would like to be in PC..and either sell or give away some districts in that area. The rest of MH is our playground, let's let the new corps build up and become stronger in this area. I stress that those who are permitted in Almur take this oppertunity to be in a constant state of attack or defend. There should be no more the a 48hr period of time your district is ONLINE. Use this as a chance to stretch out and enjoy full team combat. Without worry of large groups coming in to remove you. Don't abuse this. Good luck in this Tibs, you can count on our support. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 341	Posted - 2014.06.10 13:32:00 - [6] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Haven't you realised by now that everytime this happens, the corps getting helped simply get attacked repeatedly and then their district is taken. I have seen it happen 4 times now with this possibly being the fifth. Afterwards you are left with that list of the same corps. If you really seriously want to help them, give newer corps the isk they need to stay in PC, that's the biggest problem. No amount of help means sht if they don't have enough isk to stay and once they get kicked out and that year long grinds worth of isk is gone, they quit the game altogether. You must understand that PC as a higher level of play has the least variety in each match, its very bland and boring and people will not grind isk for a time consuming game mode that excludes 90% of peoples preferred loadouts and play styles. Just saying. Absolutely man, this idea was is being tossed around due to the consistent high activity of OH and IH. I think the price can be negotiated anyway and may be dropped to help get people into this system. Regardless, in this PC world nowadays you can't just hold someones hand all day ringing for them as it is no benefit for the corp itself. But OH can at least police the system, to keep the little guy from getting squashed for those super IMBA PCs fights. It's ultimately just a much cheaper way of obtaining districts without the grind of 2 or more clone packs needed to flip and you get added security. Techmech, you are absolutely correct that ISK is a problem for most corps but handing out ISK is definitely not the way. This has always been a goal of OHs to get new corps into PCs to diversify the environment. This is a much more organized way of helping the little guy. Roman, I'm glad your on board with this! The transition into this plan will run that much smoother! We like to share this opportunity for comments and suggestions that may better guide this Carebear 514 PC environment.
bunnywink 821	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:04:00 - [7] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: We ask that these corporations, who currently hold land in Almur to contact; 1st Lieutenant Tiberius, WhataguyTTU or Reiselia regarding this plan we have proposed and your thoughts/opinions about it and ultimately help us create an environment where the community may experience the thrill and excitement of playing with their brothers and sisters at Dust514GÇÖs highest level of competition, as we do here in 0uter.Heaven. Once these districts are made available, our plan right now is sell/redistribute these districts in Almur to able and ready corporations for 50 million ISK (Production Facility/Surface Research) and 65 million ISK (Cargo Hub). This will provide the community with an option to grind a minimum of 90 million ISK to flip a production facility with clones pack (an extra 45 mil for a cargo hub) or to grind out 50 to 65 million ISK to purchase/acquire a district from 0uter.Heaven. You want corporations to give up their districts in these systems to 0uter.Heaven... freely? So you can sell them to other corporations for 50 to 65 million ISK? LOL, OKAY. SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
bunnywink 824	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much. If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest. SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:21:00 - [9] - Quote bunnywink wrote: Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much. If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest. I agree with this, however point is moot if we are just giving them away as there's no incentive to really try to hold it. "Oh no worries we will just get another free district." Regardless, I did say the price will likely be dropped, more so a proposal. Maybe there's away to pool that district money for other than personal purpose, we are just looking for ideas from the people who STILL play the game. Currently OH is a powerhouse that is just looking in giving another opportunity. Other then ERA going to war with us, is not really anything to keep us back. However, I doubt Roman or Tib have any thoughts of advocating war. As Dust 514 continues, things continue to grow really stale, this is effort of also bringing so buzz around. PC is a dying environment, and as a top contender in PC wish it not to continue on this path. We don't expect anyone to freely give up districts. Security in a sense of not being booted out of PC for extended time. Also personal OH security will be there if corps are personally being picked on by other high tier corps. Yes they should be able to play against high competition but not at the expense of staying out of PC. The security is less ringing and more getting districts back to people who got the shaft end of the stick. Also why I said the recycling of districts would yield us giving the district back to people who WANT to continue PC.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote Its a basic foundation to a plan. It needs discussed and then agreed upon by the community. The goal of Almur...is to let the people in there fight against each other, with the intent to eventually MOVE out. Almur is tactically sound, in orden to launch clones againt somone inside there, you will have to accept a huge loss in clones. 1 way in, which is from Fittaken)bosena/oddelulf). With the new patch coming SOON. Holding more then 10-15 districts will just leave you open to attacks. No passive Isk Generation. So why not sell for cheap currentl districts held in Almur. You will make money from the clone sale..and from district sale. This is a work in progress. A good one. People should be jumping at the chance to get in there. Actively reach out to the corps currently in there and make deals with them. Then, prepare to fight each other. No Meta, no drama, no politics. Just straight up FIGHT..then say GG...then fight again. When your ready..THEN come join the rest of us..and join in on all the drama/politics. Haha. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA

bunnywink 827	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:32:00 - [11] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: bunnywink wrote: Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much. If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest. I agree with this, however point is moot if we are just giving them away as there's no incentive to really try to hold it. "Oh no worries we will just get another free district." Regardless, I did say the price will likely be dropped, more so a proposal. Maybe there's away to pool that district money for other than personal purpose, we are just looking for ideas from the people who STILL play the game. Currently OH is a powerhouse that is just looking in giving another opportunity. Other then ERA going to war with us, is not really anything to keep us back. However, I doubt Roman or Tib have any thoughts of advocating war. As Dust 514 continues, things continue to grow really stale, this is effort of also bringing so buzz around. PC is a dying environment, and as a top contender in PC wish it not to continue on this path. We don't expect anyone to freely give up districts. With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 317	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote Roman837 wrote: ERA supports this message. We will NOT attack anyone in the Almur constellation unless OH has deemed them open to attack/remover(hence the removal in the corp tag) We also, will offer our services to ring in defences for any teams deemed fit to hold land there. Prices for ringing to be determined, but it will be at a large discount to show our support to this venture. To the large groups already inhabiting this area. Please contact a smaller corp that you know that would like to be in PC..and either sell or give away some districts in that area. The rest of MH is our playground, let's let the new corps build up and become stronger in this area. I stress that those who are permitted in Almur take this oppertunity to be in a constant state of attack or defend. There should be no more the a 48hr period of time your district is ONLINE. Use this as a chance to stretch out and enjoy full team combat. Without worry of large groups coming in to remove you. Don't abuse this. Good luck in this Tibs, you can count on our support. Did you not read this: "We want to create an environment where corporations, who at least have a team of 16 able and ready mercenaries"? This area will be for corp battles, not ringer batttles.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:37:00 - [13] - Quote Did you not read MY response all the way? My guys will ring in defence, if a team, one of the big dogs, comes into to prey on them. If the team attacking them is from Almur, they are on there own. Just because they have 16 able mercs doesn't mean they can beat TLOD Go Flux Yourself, or some other big names. They don't need wiped off the map. ERA will NOT attack anyone in Almur. Nor will OH. So, that leaves your teams being able to fight amongst yourselfs. Without being crushed. Fair deal, and I applaud OH for stepping up. We at ERA take NO credit for this. But we do support it completly. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:42:00 - [14] - Quote bunnywink wrote: With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day. It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway. I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 317	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:43:00 - [15] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Did you not read MY response all the way? My guys will ring in defence, if a team, one of the big dogs, comes into to prey on them. If the team attacking them is from Almur, they are on there own. Just because they have 16 able mercs doesn't mean they can beat TLOD Go Flux Yourself, or some other big names. They don't need wiped off the map. ERA will NOT attack anyone in Almur. Nor will OH. So, that leaves your teams being able to fight amongst yourselfs. Without being crushed. Fair deal, and I applaud OH for stepping up. We at ERA take NO credit for this. But we do support it completly. How will you know who the "big dogs" are bringing? Could be training some new guys. Or they could be just doing a one-time attack with a clone pack to gather some intel. The batphone needs to be disconnected in Almur.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:44:00 - [16] - Quote Roman837 wrote: But we do support it completly. Roman, I admire you stating this. If you guys don't interfere, that is the biggest contributing factor to help us set the foundation. It will not be looked over.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:49:00 - [17] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: How will you know who the "big dogs" are bringing? Could be training some new guys. Or they could be just doing a one-time attack with a clone pack to gather some intel. The batphone needs to be disconnected in Almur. Excellent Fuggin point man. However it's nearly impossible to control ringers and I feel will cause way too much heartache trying to keep on top of that. This almur plan is trying to touch on the point that it will be REALLY EASY to get back in. I don't know any way to regulate ringers though other then gentleman's agreement (Lolworthy in dust). I'd hate to be that guy, "Oh sorry, this is the 2nd time you've used unauthorized ringers, prepare to die." But if this is wanted by a good majority, it could happen I suppose.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:55:00 - [18] - Quote There is a very simple solution to this issue. If you attack somone on almur..and your from one of those BIG corps looking to do training....then CONTACT the corp you are attacking and let them know! Simple. This also practices diplomacy. If the team that attacks you..says its for training..and brings an entire team of ringers and flips you. Well, then OH has ERA support at taking it back. THAT is what I offer this venture. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
bunnywink 827	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:56:00 - [19] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: bunnywink wrote: With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day. It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway. I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however. It's been done. Remember when AE. retired and gave away their districts less than a month ago? It was at no cost. The PC ready corporations that took that offer are still active in PC sans any carebear hand-holding. Take a look at the diversity on DUST Alerts compared to how it was when DNS controlled 90-something percent of MH. I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed. SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 376	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:00:00 - [20] - Quote Come on now Bunny. When AE "retired" they gave away almost all their districts to TLOD(whom most reformed under) and to other members of their alliance in Tso's. OH should make some isk from this. It will require hard work. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA

WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:03:00 - [21] - Quote bunnywink wrote: I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed. This is why we are here talking about it. This was a huge point I've already brought up with other OH leadership. The thing is though, we could just sell clones all day with 20+ districts and make more money then this. AE's thing was a 1 time deal, this is a planned re-occurring service. Like any service, it will need upkeep costs. Nothing is set in stone yet, especially ISK pricing.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:11:00 - [22] - Quote Roman837 wrote: There is a very simple solution to this issue. If you attack somone on almur..and your from one of those BIG corps looking to do training....then CONTACT the corp you are attacking and let them know! Simple. This also practices diplomacy. If the team that attacks you..says its for training..and brings an entire team of ringers and flips you. Well, then OH has ERA support at taking it back. THAT is what I offer this venture. Roman, in an ideal world this is perfect! However, it's just too often an occurrence to hear two sides of the story. "derp derp, this is a trying match" enters 10 trainees and 6 dust vets Response, "Wahhh they stomped us with their super studs, not fair they said training match!" Diplomacy almost only really matters with the Corps that have the power to change things. But yes good practice anyway.
Your Absolut End Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 578	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:12:00 - [23] - Quote Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate. Lol
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:18:00 - [24] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate. Lol Bad troll is bad? Lol, I'm confused.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 301	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:20:00 - [25] - Quote Doesn't PFC already exist for this exact purpose?
Your Absolut End Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 578	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:26:00 - [26] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: Your Absolut End wrote: Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate. Lol Bad troll is bad? Lol, I'm confused. Updated the post for you, dunno who the real troll in this thread is tho
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5716	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:43:00 - [27] - Quote All profits are going to pay my bar tab(s). You would not believe the price of a 20 thousand year old bottle of scotch. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2689	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1857	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:05:00 - [29] - Quote bunnywink wrote: I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed. Look, Bunny, 0.H has never been a rich corp heck I've never been a rich merc, I simply have enough to stock a hundred of all my suits to play PC. The ISK is not important to us, we included these prices in the plan to create incentives for people to want to be involved, giving the community another path other than what CCP has offered us to get into PC, that is what we wish to do. If 50 to 65 Million ISK is way too much to ask for a district then tell me what is, I want to refrain from simply giving out districts because it goes against what we are trying to accomplish here; We want to incentivize more corporations to experience Planetary Conquest battles. Simple. This idea was put out so that you, the community, can help us achieve that. As Guy has said before simply giving out districts is not out of the question whatsoever, but we believe that corps who are serious and hungry to play PC would have no problem grinding out such a minuscule amount to obtain a district, whats the point of giving away districts when they are not being used to fight PC battles? By having a price that is large enough to be something a corporation has to work for but small enough for it to be accessible to the entire community we will achieve the goal we have set here Exactly like you said there is no incentive anymore to hold land so why not open it up and allow the people, who originally never got to experience PC, experience PC. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1857	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:16:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :) Except: 1. We do not plan to dictate who can or cannot be there; we only ask that you play PC battles if you want to participate 2. We will not reacquire districts only to resell them for a large price, in the hopes of making a personal profit 3. We will refrain from interfering too much with the battles that occur in Almur within reason, e.g. if a corp hires ERA under contract to fight then there is no reason why the opposing corp cant hire 0.H to help them, besides that would just create more fights for 0.H which is our number one goal. - Though I agree with Kam Elto, the batphone needs to be disconnected for Almur, teams need to play with their teams against teams of similar experience levels, constant dependence on ringers are more detrimental to the corporation than losing battles and learning from them are. 4. We do not wish to police it to be "the big dogs of MH" we simply want to create an environment where people can play PC without fear of stepping on anyones toes or the threat of being completely destroyed, demoralized and kicked out of PC Trolls be trolls but understand that I have no ulterior motives, 0.H has been here since the beginning; we've overcome complete and utter adversity and we are one of the very few corps who are able to use a 36mil 120 clone pack going against EVE support and take a district; We do not wish to impose this obstacle on people who want to participate today. The game is at a wounded state at the moment and simply going around and ***** up is not what I believe to be the right move, we in 0.H would like to use the resources we have available to help provide content for corporations who have had little to no experience in PC, and would like to. I do not recognize the current PFC as an effective vehicle for doing this, nor am I concerned of what goes on in that area. We simply want to focus our current efforts on Almur and we believe that this can be done with enough support and participation from the community. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven**

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1858	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:31:00 - [31] - Quote And thank you for the support Roman! Help and participation from the community is what we require to make this a reality because in the end if the community doesn't want to participate then there is no point of pursuing this venture. Let me take this time to point out that 0.H has been and always will be an independent entity, it is unlikely that you will see 0.H in an alliance if its not with our brothers and sisters in Dark Legion, but we would like to maintain this independence because unless we do so then the cycle will continue and there will be no fights to be had. We don't mind being the enemy everyone loves to hate. We are doing this to ensure that we have fights for 0.H and I.H members this is our true main goal, but we also wish to allow opportunities for other corporations to experience Planetary Conquest. With that said I look forward to more of the great fights against you and ERA, Roman. Also to the rest of the community please do not hesitate to send attacks to 0.H and train with us, we will not come down upon you and remove you from PC for giving us what we truly want; PC battles. Please come to us with more ideas and suggestions, challenge us on this because it will be the only way to create something that will truly work, for we have 2 simple goals and 2 goals only; PC for US and PC for YOU The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 9295	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:39:00 - [32] - Quote This should blend well with the new PC changes, which encourage fights over farms. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. -HAND
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 377	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:06:00 - [33] - Quote One major difference in this game regarding PCs....is the difference between having a fun, yet competitive match to test your teams metal against another...and removing a team you don't like. Because of politics. A simple message to the other team stating "Hey, we heard you bring good fights, we are gonna try yas out with our troops" is all that is needed to stop confusion and panic. If its your intent to smash and remove them...then yes...exspect that they will do everything in the power and can afford to defend their district. Communication. Everything outside Almur is still a free for all. Look forward to great fights. If its not politicaal and you want to test your team out, message myself or Espeon. Our guys love a good fight vs any opponent. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2014.06.11 03:29:00 - [34] - Quote I hope you guys aren't planning to give up Sakulda VII, aka Otter Heaven. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4189	Posted - 2014.06.11 03:34:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :) This is more like CFC (Constellation Fight Club) Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 50Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2014.06.11 03:39:00 - [36] - Quote The struggle is real. The struggle is real.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 643	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:15:00 - [37] - Quote I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1863	Posted - 2014.06.11 13:52:00 - [38] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see. This is awesome, and exactly what we want. This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well. But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 645	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:15:00 - [39] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see. This is awesome, and exactly what we want. This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well. But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy. if you look at Nyan San right now they are still trying to give away districts and no one outside of PC is trying to take them because pretty much there just is not many new corps out there that can put out a full team. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1863	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:20:00 - [40] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see. This is awesome, and exactly what we want. This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well. But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy. if you look at Nyan San right now they are still trying to give away districts and no one outside of PC is trying to take them because pretty much there just is not many new corps out there that can put out a full team. Yes I'm well aware, and that's too bad I am still hoping that there are corps out there that at least have a tight group of mercs that would want to get their feet we in Planetary Conquest. But an effort is an effort if there are still corporations out there that are interested in what 0.H is offering please don't hesitate to contact us, again ISK is not an issue; we will give out districts to corps that want to participate and experience PC. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven

WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 343	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:27:00 - [41] - Quote Lol, Tib it will take some time to get the word out as most of our targeted group doesn't browse the War Room. Most forum regulars have seen this kind of thing fail before so it's real easy to feel skeptical. People need to look at the other side where Isk-poor corps cannot afford to be spending 90+ mil on each POTENTIAL flip. It was suggested just to give them to people who we know can handle getting a consistent 16 on. Most corps that have reached this point do not need their hand held like children IMO. They would obviously even be able to pay the steep 45mil clone packs which even if you win yields small profit margin. Cheaper cost to get a district =>potential of much bigger profit This is just another opportunity! A re-occurring opportunity! Not much is going to change in this game but adding whatever we can as a single corp is effort in the right direction. Recycling districts leaves a bad taste, it's like beating up a kid for his candy, taking a bite, and handing it back.
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 3	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:54:00 - [42] - Quote Ok. Prima Gallicus is ready to help you Tiberius. No attacks on Almur between now and tne ownership by new corporations. When they will be in their new districts (full clones), we can launch funny fights to improve their level and to show planetary conquest for our new players. In case of victory, we will not trying to take a district. Only when teams will be strong enough (for ewample when they win an attack against an other corporation), classicals attacks without restrictions will come. Tell me if it's ok.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 343	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:11:00 - [43] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok. Prima Gallicus is ready to help you Tiberius. No attacks on Almur between now and tne ownership by new corporations. When they will be in their new districts (full clones), we can launch funny fights to improve their level and to show planetary conquest for our new players. In case of victory, we will not trying to take a district. Only when teams will be strong enough (for ewample when they win an attack against an other corporation), classicals attacks without restrictions will come. Tell me if it's ok. This sounds really nice, if people are actually interested in aid the effort for new PC corps this is probably one of the best ways to do it. All of those people that get left out of PCs in higher profile matches can definitely be able to find a good PC home in the Almur system. Good input Hubert.
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 4	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:50:00 - [44] - Quote Good news. What The French agree too. Same terms. By the way, they are to busy to attack Almur , preparing the come back in Planetary Conquest...
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:58:00 - [45] - Quote I'm going to have go with the "No" vote on this, guys. Your alliancing with DNS (based off the above thread comments) and recent activities from STB (also under the DNS banner) makes what you are proposing little else than a thinly obscured land grab for DNS. Especially since PFC already exists as a controlled environment to promote growing corps. Especially since every other time this exact same model has been tried the end result has been territory consolidation with "the smaller corps" getting shafted. Not to tell you guys how to run your show but did you consider just giving territories you possess away, no strings attached aside from you not reattacking them? Sink or swim, the corps you pick learn to live or decide to die? Instead of the same ultimatums with the same marketing MH has been seeing for a year+? And for the record I respond only since the question was posed to me ("the community") from my individual perspective in the (PC) trenches. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 4	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:09:00 - [46] - Quote Your alliance take 50% of the districts. What do you speak about? We attacked escrow removal 2 weeks ago (nice fight, a little bit more and they lost the district), and we were in a match against Sver with What The French few days ago. Alliance with DNS? lol. We have friends, but no alliance.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:24:00 - [47] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Your alliance take 50% of the districts. What do you speak about? We attacked escrow removal 2 weeks ago (nice fight, a little bit more and they lost the district), and we were in a match against Sver with What The French few days ago. Alliance with DNS? lol. We have friends, but no alliance. Our alliance also leaves the vast majority, if not all, of those districts online. Open and available to be attacked by ANY corp that wants to enter PC. On various timers globally, increasing access potential. Our alliance also has been and is still giving away districts to smaller groups who ask. A jointly supported initiative = an alliance. Whether you're sharing tags or not. And while being "friends" is a good thing, not every "friendship" begins without ulterior motives. Just like not every friendship ends amicably. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 405	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:54:00 - [48] - Quote bunnywink wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: bunnywink wrote: With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day. It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway. I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however. It's been done. Remember when AE. retired and gave away their districts less than a month ago? It was at no cost. The PC ready corporations that took that offer are still active in PC sans any carebear hand-holding. Take a look at the diversity on DUST Alerts compared to how it was when DNS controlled 90-something percent of MH. I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed. Bunny, no disrespect but 0.H. Has been actively selling our districts off for weeks to anyone that is trying to set up into PC but cannot afford the 135 mil needed to flip a cargo hub with clone packs Or the 90 million needed for production facilities This idea has us doing nothing different than what we have been doing, just on a grander scale for more involvement (what'sthe point of giving out a district here or there to small corps just so they can get immediately taken away by a bigger corp) Plus, even if we sold all of our districts off tomorrow we would only make about a billion ISK, which is chump change in the eyes of those that have pocketed and saved during the Big Blue Farm AE gave all their districts away for free on the basis of two constituents 1.AE Already had 65334564 billion ISK, so why charge for districts? 2. All districts are biasedly sent to only corps that AE were friends with or had a stake in We purpose an unbiased approach to any of those looking to join PC that does not have a stake in it already By giving out districts for free, again people then say, "Yeah guys we got a district, but if we lose it all is well because we can just hop onto another one." Instead of "Okay guys we are in PC now. We just spent most of our corp wallet on this, so we have to win. This is our home now so we can't lose it under any circumstance or else we start risking bankruptcy." This bankruptcy is more easily avoided by paying 65 mil for a cargo hub than trying to flip one yourself with clone packs( 135 mil) And if you lose ONE of those battles, you are looking at 200-300 million ISK plus which smaller corps simply do not have Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1868	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:25:00 - [49] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I'm going to have go with the "No" vote on this, guys. Your alliancing with DNS (based off the above thread comments) and recent activities from STB (also under the DNS banner) makes what you are proposing little else than a thinly obscured land grab for DNS. Especially since PFC already exists as a controlled environment to promote growing corps. Especially since every other time this exact same model has been tried the end result has been territory consolidation with "the smaller corps" getting shafted. Not to tell you guys how to run your show but did you consider just giving territories you possess away, no strings attached aside from you not reattacking them? Sink or swim, the corps you pick learn to live or decide to die? Instead of the same ultimatums with the same marketing MH has been seeing for a year+? And for the record I respond only since the question was posed to me ("the community") from my individual perspective in the (PC) trenches. And I thank you for your response, we do want to speak to the entirety of the community so this is exactly the challenges you need to throw at us, but I also want to emphasize more towards those who are not currently active in PC but might have some interest in becoming so. To clarify again Operator, 0.H is not in any alliance whatsoever, 0.H has been and will always be an independent entity. Roman has merely come to kindly support the idea and I thank him for it, but this doesn't mean 0.H is blueing up to execute a "thinly obscured land grab for DNS", that is a gross misconception. We continue to attack and fight against DNS as well as other corporations currently in PC as we try to set battles daily, PC battles are our only concern. This is by no means a "land grab", I've already states that the percentage we are at right now in the Almur constellation is the amount we feel we are able to hold as a corporation and thus that is the amount we will continue to hold, we are simply attempting to create better opportunities for corporations to experience PC; We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite. The trial by fire mentality is more destructive than constructive for smaller corporations especially at the current stage of the game, identify that there are some biases coming from corporations that have been active in PC before and to those who spend most of their time in public contracts with little or negative experiences with Planetary Conquest. Help us figure out a way to remedy these issues. @ Chance, thats a good way of putting it, especially regarding the justification for not simply giving away districts. Though it is not out of the question. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 783	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:48:00 - [50] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: bunnywink wrote: [quote=WhataguyTTU][quote=bunnywink] With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. AE gave all their districts away for free on the basis of two constituents 1.AE Already had 65334564 billion ISK, so why charge for districts? 2. All districts are biasedly sent to only corps that AE were friends with or had a stake in What the ** are you talking about? lol 1. AE's wallet had no where even remotely close to that amount of isk. You can cut that number by more than 50% and the wallet still wouldn't even have anything remotely close. 2. Also lies lol, districts were literally sent to everyone that asked for them. People who were even helping ERA fight us when we were trying to hand them out got districts when they asked. We weren't friends with most of the corps we gave districts too, we were neutral to most of them. Some of them we didn't like but still gave them land (such as ML). By the way, we not only gave them free land but we also payed them to be fielded in no shows so they could farm isk. Kujo gave me, Steven, Bigole, etc. isk to pay everyone we were fielding into no shows. Steven was even holding contests where the winner would receive isk. So ya... let me tell you lol, AE only gave it too our friends. O and by the way... your corp was allowed to join the fun too. Everyone was allowed :) If AE only gave land to friends, then I guess AE has a ** load of friends because that chatroom was getting spammed as much as the FEC chat many months ago. AE had a lot of land and now there is a large variety of corps in PC. Put one and two together cupcake, they got all of that land from AE and districts AE was flipping from ERA no shows. On a side note: Nibbles, is there any particular reason why this guy is so butt hurt about AE that all he does is spread lies about them? AE is retired and he suddenly pops up to start spreading lies constantly as if he someone hurt his feelings in AE. Is it about the RA vs ProV war? Is he butt hurt about that? Seriously get over it lol, no one cares. Please keep your butthurt members in line Nibbles, idiots who don't know anything or just spread lies constantly always cause problems later down the road. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2518	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:54:00 - [51] - Quote So what you're asking is that we don't attack the districts in this system? Or that we give up the districts in this system? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1868	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:37:00 - [52] - Quote @ Yoshi perceptions are unique to the eyes that perceive them but I don't want to use this thread to discuss irrelevant past events, and chance stay on topic. Heimdallr69 wrote: So what you're asking is that we don't attack the districts in this system? Or that we give up the districts in this system? We would love for Nyain San to consider transferring districts to us to try and distribute to the community or we could perhaps have interested parties contact NS leadership directly or through myself to have them do a direct transfer. Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:54:00 - [53] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: ... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite. But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped. Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1869	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:17:00 - [54] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: ... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite. But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped. Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS. 50mil and 65mil were chosen prices because we wanted to provide an additional entry into PC other than 45mil Clone packs, if 0.H making a negligent profit out of this really bothers you that much then help us propose a better way for us to provide better incentives for people to play PC We are not looking to hold peoples hand and guide them through PC we are looking to provide more opportunities for corporations to build themselves up, a corp focused to heavily on dependence of outside resources is a corp that can not and will not be able to stand on its own. Dark Legion are part of our family here in 0.H they have helped us through bleak times and it is a no brainer that we help them through theirs, they fight their own battles and we make our resources available at their time of need. 0.H IS an independent corporation as history has proven, we have consistently made it a point to go against whatever current superpower. But as I said before we are now merely interested in providing fights for ourselves and the community. 0.H has no interest in gaining 100% of Molden Heath neither are we concerned with attempting to ally with DNS for this master plan for world domination you speak of, I will not waste the opportunity to fight a good team like ERA for the chance to hold worthless pieces of property, Districts are good for one thing and one thing only; Sending and Receiving PC battles. I fail to see how Roman supporting the idea we have translates to 0.H and DNS blueing up, hopefully it's only a simple misunderstanding. Blueing up means less fights for us, and that goes against our number one goal. Please refrain from trying to paint us as the bad guys while we are trying to execute what we believe is an achievable goal, if this idea seems too malicious for your tastes then provide us with an alternative idea other than letting corporations sink or swim, I can only imagine how tough it is for corps to try and enter PC at this sad state. What would it take to prove that our intentions are towards goodwill? Does spending the time to put this document rather than simply fighting to acquire these districts not carry my point across? The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7687	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:30:00 - [55] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Its a basic foundation to a plan. It needs discussed and then agreed upon by the community. The goal of Almur...is to let the people in there fight against each other, with the intent to eventually MOVE out. Almur is tactically sound, in orden to launch clones againt somone inside there, you will have to accept a huge loss in clones. 1 way in, which is from Fittaken)bosena/oddelulf). With the new patch coming SOON. Holding more then 10-15 districts will just leave you open to attacks. No passive Isk Generation. So why not sell for cheap currentl districts held in Almur. You will make money from the clone sale..and from district sale. This is a work in progress. A good one. People should be jumping at the chance to get in there. Actively reach out to the corps currently in there and make deals with them. Then, prepare to fight each other. No Meta, no drama, no politics. Just straight up FIGHT..then say GG...then fight again. When your ready..THEN come join the rest of us..and join in on all the drama/politics. Haha. ^ kane 2.0
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:31:00 - [56] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1869	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:48:00 - [57] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again? We are not becoming allies with DNS how are you getting this idea? We need to get new and smaller corps involved because PC has always been exclusive to a small group of players, there are plenty of other corporations out there that have yet to experience what you hopefully have in CapAq. If you think that the current state of PC is a successful system then with all due respect you need reevaluate your perception; all I see and all I have seen are the same few people move from corp to corp or ring for smaller corps. There is no opportunity for the player base outside these few groups to experience good and worthwhile PC games. Heck, CCP hasn't even implemented the proposed changes; PC is filled by the same people there is no injection of new talent there is only integration into existing entities and the recycling of existing talent. I still see the same names of mercs and corps that I've been fighting since uprising 1.0, from the perspective of a player that has played thousands of PC games ever since it was first introduced I fail to understand your perspective. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 646	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:52:00 - [58] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: CHANCEtheChAn wrote: bunnywink wrote: [quote=WhataguyTTU][quote=bunnywink] With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. AE gave all their districts away for free on the basis of two constituents 1.AE Already had 65334564 billion ISK, so why charge for districts? 2. All districts are biasedly sent to only corps that AE were friends with or had a stake in What the ** are you talking about? lol 1. AE's wallet had no where even remotely close to that amount of isk. You can cut that number by more than 50% and the wallet still wouldn't even have anything remotely close. 2. Also lies lol, districts were literally sent to everyone that asked for them. People who were even helping ERA fight us when we were trying to hand them out got districts when they asked. We weren't friends with most of the corps we gave districts too, we were neutral to most of them. Some of them we didn't like but still gave them land (such as ML). By the way, we not only gave them free land but we also payed them to be fielded in no shows so they could farm isk. Kujo gave me, Steven, Bigole, etc. isk to pay everyone we were fielding into no shows. Steven was even holding contests where the winner would receive isk. So ya... let me tell you lol, AE only gave it too our friends. O and by the way... your corp was allowed to join the fun too. Everyone was allowed :) If AE only gave land to friends, then I guess AE has a ** load of friends because that chatroom was getting spammed as much as the FEC chat many months ago. AE had a lot of land and now there is a large variety of corps in PC. Put one and two together cupcake, they got all of that land from AE and districts AE was flipping from ERA no shows. On a side note: Nibbles, is there any particular reason why this guy is so butt hurt about AE that all he does is spread lies about them? AE is retired and he suddenly pops up to start spreading lies constantly as if he someone hurt his feelings in AE. Is it about the RA vs ProV war? Is he butt hurt about that? Seriously get over it lol, no one cares. Please keep your butthurt members in line Nibbles, idiots who don't know anything or just spread lies constantly always cause problems later down the road. This is all true and they gave all the free district to anyone who asked friend or foe which is why most of the corps are in PC right now. it even got to the point where they could'nt give all of them away because there was no more new corps that wanted any so pretty much all corps in PC from that point are the only corps that had a big enuf team to put 16 out there. if there is any more newer corps that want in all they have to do is voice up and they will be helped in right now. but i don't think there is 55 corps out there right now that want in but i could be wrong. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 346	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:05:00 - [59] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again? Once again, this is another opportunity for people to come into PC at lower ISK rates. We are still fighting ERA fairly often, they bring the best fights. Lol, have you seen all the spiteful post OH has made back when the DNS donut was around? If anything we are blued with DL and Opus It's okay to be uninformed, OH has that too. (Sorry to burn you ChancetheChan LOL) ERA and OH share a goal for a new NPE effort that has not been offered before. We are obviously sucking each other off. Roman, btw I hope your ready for that 23:00 fellatio. If you can come up with something better please do, or just continue to sit back and let the PC NPE take dive. Sure, cap acc has given districts away to select corps, who hasn't? Big whoop. This doesn't give a consistent effort to bolster new corps.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:06:00 - [60] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: We are not looking to hold peoples hand and guide them through PC we are looking to provide more opportunities for corporations to build themselves up, a corp focused to heavily on dependence of outside resources is a corp that can not and will not be able to stand on its own... as I said before we are now merely interested in providing fights for ourselves and the community. ...if this idea seems too malicious for your tastes then provide us with an alternative idea other than letting corporations sink or swim, I can only imagine how tough it is for corps to try and enter PC at this sad state. What would it take to prove that our intentions are towards goodwill? Does spending the time to put this document rather than simply fighting to acquire these districts not carry my point across? First off, your intentions are not in question. You are not alone in wanting to be agents of positive effect for newer or smaller corps. My questions come from what I'm seeing be built. The same way Orville Wright hated inventing the airplane after seeing the Enola Gay at work. An alternative that I'm sure you've considered already would be really to just carry on as you have been, albeit with a slight twist. Stage your attacks and get your fights in but do not flip. Network with the leaders of these other corps to provide training, counseling and advisement on their terms as they see fit. We all ( most of us) really just want fights, especially good fights. And we can get them without creating a situation that enables abuse or entrenches conditions which serve the malicious. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1869	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:14:00 - [61] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: i don't think there is 55 corps out there right now that want in but i could be wrong. This is a fear I have as well. If this is true then perhaps we should just focus on trying to have good fights between the current corps in Molden Heath. But I will continue to think that there are still corporations out there that haven't been given the opportunity to experience the thrill of fighting alongside 16 of your trusted brothers and sisters against an equally dedicated team of 16, both sporting their best Sunday Dresses. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you wish to experience Planetary Conquest in Dust514 and I will do what I can to make that possible. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1869	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:19:00 - [62] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: WE all ( most of us) really just want fights, especially good fights. And WE can get them without creating a situation that enables abuse or entrenches conditions which later serve the malicious. YOU are Capital Acquisitions, a corporation I have had the extreme pleasure of fighting, one that brings 16 of their most vicious to test every strategy that I devise. I still remember those amazing ScR duels between Vin Vicious and I, the only two at the time running Amarr Assaults in PC. YOU have been here, YOU are here and YOU are tough, but this idea is not for you. This is for people who haven't been able to experience PC The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 646	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:46:00 - [63] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: i don't think there is 55 corps out there right now that want in but i could be wrong. This is a fear I have as well. If this is true then perhaps we should just focus on trying to have good fights between the current corps in Molden Heath. But I will continue to think that there are still corporations out there that haven't been given the opportunity to experience the thrill of fighting alongside 16 of your trusted brothers and sisters against an equally dedicated team of 16, both sporting their best Sunday Dresses. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you wish to experience Planetary Conquest in Dust514 and I will do what I can to make that possible. What we are doing in RISE OF LEGION is bringing newer corps in are alliance helping them get a district and teaching them how to GC and stuff like that. i think the easy way to get newer corps on there feet is work with them just like OH is doing with IH The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 407	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:54:00 - [64] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: CHANCEtheChAn wrote: bunnywink wrote: [quote=WhataguyTTU][quote=bunnywink] With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. AE gave all their districts away for free on the basis of two constituents 1.AE Already had 653382625372829291027352528292020282625252829204564 billion ISK, so why charge for districts? 2. Most districts that were not given out to the small corps were given out in mass quantities to other "friends" of AE What the ** are you talking about? lol 1. AE's wallet had no where even remotely close to that amount of isk. You can cut that number by more than 50% and the wallet still wouldn't even have anything remotely close. 2. Also lies lol, districts were literally sent to everyone that asked for them. People who were even helping ERA fight us when we were trying to hand them out got districts when they asked. We weren't friends with most of the corps we gave districts too, we were neutral to most of them. Some of them we didn't like but still gave them land (such as ML). By the way, we not only gave them free land but we also payed them to be fielded in no shows so they could farm isk. Kujo gave me, Steven, Bigole, etc. isk to pay everyone we were fielding into no shows. Steven was even holding contests where the winner would receive isk. So ya... let me tell you lol, AE only gave it too our friends. O and by the way... your corp was allowed to join the fun too. Everyone was allowed :) If AE only gave land to friends, then I guess AE has a ** load of friends because that chatroom was getting spammed as much as the FEC chat many months ago. AE had a lot of land and now there is a large variety of corps in PC. Put one and two together cupcake, they got all of that land from AE and districts AE was flipping from ERA no shows. On a side note: Nibbles, is there any particular reason why this guy is so butt hurt about AE that all he does is spread lies about them? AE is retired and he suddenly pops up to start spreading lies constantly as if he someone hurt his feelings in AE. Is it about the RA vs ProV war? Is he butt hurt about that? Seriously get over it lol, no one cares. Please keep your butthurt members in line Nibbles, idiots who don't know anything or just spread lies constantly always cause problems later down the road. Good sir, I am not "butthurt" I put a rediculous number in the ISK panel as a little thing us Americans like to use called "exaggeration" The fact that you took it as an actual rational number just absolutely blows my mind And yes I know AE gave their districts away to many corps Also did Nyain San I was keeping close eyes on the district giveaways But you were BIASED in giving large sums of your districts to people whom your corpmates then moved to ( There is a possibility that this was Nyain San as I've been doing a lot of RL things recently and my memory may be faded) I didn't read your whole retort because I heard "keep your lacky in line" and I just skimmed over the rest because you sound like a butthurt child Your retort is breaking the topic line and ruining yet another war room thread with your "I'm AE respect me" replies If you have something to say to me you can always mail me in game Not send child like insults over the internet And yes I was running out the door when I was writing this so I hurried it, this is why I had to go back and edit a few things So here I edited my OP just for you to emphasis my points in what 0.H. Is not trying to replicate Stay on topic please and thank you Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1875	Posted - 2014.06.11 23:12:00 - [65] - Quote This is not a discussion about past events. Chance stop replying to this thread unless you have anything constructive to say about the topic. Yoshi please respect my wish to stay on topic by not replying to chance about this, consider this tangent ended. With that said keep the discussion going guys. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 407	Posted - 2014.06.11 23:20:00 - [66] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: This is not a discussion about past events. Chance stop replying to this thread unless you have anything constructive to say about the topic. Yoshi please respect my wish to stay on topic by not replying to chance about this, consider this tangent ended. With that said keep the discussion going guys. So just to clear up Will the people who play in the Almur system be allowed to have districts outside of the Almur system also Or is it ONLY for corps that no other stakes elsewhere in PC Also say, in the future, these Corps grow in size and power How will they be able to flourish onto more districts? Will they be allowed to own more districts in Almur or let out to have to use districts elsewhere? Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 380	Posted - 2014.06.11 23:44:00 - [67] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: ... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite. But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped. Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS. This fella really doesnt like ERA or DNS eh? Get over the DNS 100% thing dude. Was over a month ago. New leadership, new goals. New Blue donut. If you truely are against large alliances, leave your own. ERA and OH are not allied. I have simply stated I will NOT attack Almur. That is it. In fact, we have a PC against OH tomorow night. Its about outside our time zone..but we will bring what we can! Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:18:00 - [68] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This fella really doesnt like ERA or DNS eh? Get over the DNS 100% thing dude. Was over a month ago. New leadership, new goals. New Blue donut. If you truely are against large alliances, leave your own. ERA and OH are not allied. I have simply stated I will NOT attack Almur. That is it. In fact, we have a PC against OH tomorow night. Its about outside our time zone..but we will bring what we can! I have very few feelings regarding ERA or DNS outside of a competitive respect for one and a proven worthwhile distrust of the other. My stance here is not emotional. I am not against alliances large or small. I recognize alliances as being born from more than just formal documentation, common efforts towards common goals ally groups often more thouroghly than any paper treaty ever could. And once an alliance is forged it's misrepresentative to the point of fraudulent to claim "non-alliance". Actions>words in this matter. Old General Motors=New General Motors=Same Old General Motors. Except to the lawyers trying to argue away willful negligence liability. DNS=DNS=DNS. Except to the short-memoried or the willfully oblivious, neither of which am I. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3399	Posted - 2014.06.12 10:11:00 - [69] - Quote I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval I humbly ask you support my candidacy for CPM1 CEO of FA Skype: Zatara.Rought
Lunatic Kota TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 175	Posted - 2014.06.12 10:46:00 - [70] - Quote Imma attack the districts! If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly. -David Hackworth

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:52:00 - [71] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: This is not a discussion about past events. Chance stop replying to this thread unless you have anything constructive to say about the topic. Yoshi please respect my wish to stay on topic by not replying to chance about this, consider this tangent ended. With that said keep the discussion going guys. So just to clear up Will the people who play in the Almur system be allowed to have districts outside of the Almur system also Or is it ONLY for corps that no other stakes elsewhere in PC Also say, in the future, these Corps grow in size and power How will they be able to flourish onto more districts? Will they be allowed to own more districts in Almur or let out to have to use districts elsewhere? Good questions. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:12:00 - [72] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 812	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:26:00 - [73] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. In my opinion, anyone should be able to attack anyone but only PFC corps can flip PFC districts and Almur corps can only flip Almur districts. That way everyone can fight everyone but PFC/Almur corps can't play "diplomatic immunity" to constantly try to flip districts outside of their area. It could cause problems with PFC corps constantly trying to flip Almur districts without worrying about an Almur corp flipping them. You all work out those details, I'm just tossing the first idea that comes to mind. Just a 5 second idea that probably has a lot of flaws to it. You all work out the small details :P "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 348	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:29:00 - [74] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Thank you Operator for constructive suggestion. Yesterday felt like you were attacking everything we were proposing. Lol, was somewhat frustrating.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:52:00 - [75] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Thank you Operator for constructive suggestion. Yesterday felt like you were attacking everything we were proposing. Lol, was somewhat frustrating. Re-read some of that stuff, I made a couple of proposals. I am still against the full "locking out" of the area, but it's less a distrust of OH/OHs intent and more just that should you guys "lose" control of yourselves or others there the region is isolated and will be a beeotch to get into and stop. LOL I'm not trying to be an ******* here, my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1877	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:57:00 - [76] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out. And we come from the perspective of fighting against big superpowers, including DNS, ever sine 0.Hs conception. We are well aware of the dangers but we feel this is something that we can achieve. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 22:20:00 - [77] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out. And we come from the perspective of fighting against big superpowers, including DNS, ever sine 0.Hs conception. We are well aware of the dangers but we feel this is something that we can achieve. I don't think anyone questions the ability to do it, just if and when it goes south how bad it will be and what it will take to correct it. New Idea: What about setting up districts as straight up "clone banks" for use by small corps to enter PC actual with? The districts are left unmolested by everyone but the clones they generate are given/traded/raffled off to stage attacks in MH to STARTER corps? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 22:44:00 - [78] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. In my opinion, anyone should be able to attack anyone but only PFC corps can flip PFC districts and Almur corps can only flip Almur districts. That way everyone can fight everyone but PFC/Almur corps can't play "diplomatic immunity" to constantly try to flip districts outside of their area. It could cause problems with PFC corps constantly trying to flip Almur districts without worrying about an Almur corp flipping them. You all work out those details, I'm just tossing the first idea that comes to mind. Just a 5 second idea that probably has a lot of flaws to it. You all work out the small details :P I think PFC corps should be insulated from aggression by majors, they learn the basics and fight amongst themselves until w/e criteria they and the PFC council (thats still a thing, right?) uses determines they are ready to move up, at which point they go to Almur. In Almur they still fight amongst themselves but are also open to attacks from majors and can use ringers (which were prohibited on PFC last I heard). Still no flips, just fights and after X amount of time or activity thresholds they are then either promoted (maybe with some combat isk) to PC actual or relegated back to PFC/out of PC. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 201	Posted - 2014.06.13 04:28:00 - [79] - Quote Der kampf est real. The struggle is real.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1887	Posted - 2014.06.14 21:21:00 - [80] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Will the people who play in the Almur system be allowed to have districts outside of the Almur system also If they are able to take and hold districts outside of Almur then they obviously do not need to be in the environment that we are trying to set up. Perhaps they could pass it on to a newer corp that needs it or if they've started acquiring more districts in and outside of Almur then maybe they're ready to face 0.H and train at a higher level. Basically the idea is if you are able to perform outside of the safe environment we are trying to provide then you should consider venturing off of Almur and into the less safe environments with the rest of the PC experienced corps. CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Or is it ONLY for corps that no other stakes elsewhere in PC We would like to emphasize providing districts in Almur to those who have no stake in PC but we are not looking to kick anyone out of it either, as long as fights are happening and newer corps have an easy way of entering PC through 0.H and Almur then we're golden CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Also say, in the future, these Corps grow in size and power, how will they be able to flourish onto more districts? I encourage them to attack districts outside of Almur and acquire some, if they grow big and strong enough maybe they'll be able to provide good fights for 0.H. This will naturally be a case by case basis but rest assured that we are sticking to the goal of ensuring PC fights are bountiful and entrance is non-exclusive. CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Will they be allowed to own more districts in Almur or let out to have to use districts elsewhere? Again case by case, if you are strong we encourage you to test your strength outside of Almur and allow smaller and less experienced corporations to make use of the vacant slot in Almur The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 747	Posted - 2014.06.14 22:18:00 - [81] - Quote Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur
Long Evity 1546	Posted - 2014.06.14 22:24:00 - [82] - Quote You guys realize PFC is now a dumb idea, right? With districts not holding any value if you aren't willing to sell clones every day before it re-ups, you may as well just give it out. Why have a planet fight club when holding districts isn't as valuable? Just give the corps you guys want to see in PC a district and send there CEO's messages asking whens a good time to fight. All this complication was necessary in the previous PC system, the new one, not so much. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1887	Posted - 2014.06.14 22:58:00 - [83] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Long Evity 1548	Posted - 2014.06.14 23:10:00 - [84] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. I hear your a bully these days to my corpies. Any reason for this before I begin my trolling in vengeance? :3 I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 747	Posted - 2014.06.14 23:43:00 - [85] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. Oh ok i haven't seen Brutal on this week so i see what i can find out
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1887	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:00:00 - [86] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. Oh ok i haven't seen Brutal on this week so i see what i can find out Roger that o7 @ Sota, no bullying just searching for good fights. A lot of big names that used to give me a lot of trouble :3 Nats doing a good job tho I think. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Long Evity 1553	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:05:00 - [87] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. Oh ok i haven't seen Brutal on this week so i see what i can find out Roger that o7 @ Sota, no bullying just searching for good fights. A lot of big names that used to give me a lot of trouble :3 Nats doing a good job tho I think. You won't be seeing an Anime corp in PC anytime soon. If people need us they ask for help - otherwise this game sucks and we just enjoy our fun in our Anime community. Feel free to join us - we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama. Just join our channel and voice up and good luck keeping up. ;) I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1887	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:10:00 - [88] - Quote Long Evity wrote: we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama 0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else. But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/ The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Long Evity 1553	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:15:00 - [89] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Long Evity wrote: we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama 0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else. But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/ And what exactly is the OH mentality? And why would I join I.H. if you denied me entry into O.H? I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1887	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:22:00 - [90] - Quote Long Evity wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Long Evity wrote: we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama 0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else. But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/ And what exactly is the OH mentality? And why would I join I.H. if you denied me entry into O.H? It encompasses many different aspects of a players personality, we can only find out by playing together. We're not denying entry on the contrary I.H is an open door for those who want to be a part of our family. We have a collective 0.H/I.H corp chat and we play PCs and Pub together, only the tags are different, we reserve the 0.H tag for those who are serious about representing the 0.H name and have become part of our tight knit family. PC is very important for 0uter.Heaven and those who carry the tags carry a lot more weight and responsibility regarding showing up and playing the PC battles, I.H provides a more casual environment where I.H members can pub and train with us but also experience PC with us. It's a nice system and it works very well :) The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven

Long Evity 1554	Posted - 2014.06.15 00:33:00 - [91] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Long Evity wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Long Evity wrote: we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama 0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else. But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/ And what exactly is the OH mentality? And why would I join I.H. if you denied me entry into O.H? It encompasses many different aspects of a players personality, we can only find out by playing together. We're not denying entry on the contrary I.H is an open door for those who want to be a part of our family. We have a collective 0.H/I.H corp chat and we play PCs and Pub together, only the tags are different, we reserve the 0.H tag for those who are serious about representing the 0.H name and have become part of our tight knit family. PC is very important for 0uter.Heaven and those who carry the tags carry a lot more weight and responsibility regarding showing up and playing the PC battles, I.H provides a more casual environment where I.H members can pub and train with us but also experience PC with us. It's a nice system and it works very well :) Sounds like it. Glad I finally asked. Good luck. o7 I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 316	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:35:00 - [92] - Quote If there is a district somewhere for the bandejitos, they attacked us 3 times in the last week, they are a starter corp loose everytime but they seem to got the spirit to fight...
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1890	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:37:00 - [93] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: If there is a district somewhere for the bandejitos, they attacked us 3 times in the last week, they are a starter corp loose everytime but they seem to got the spirit to fight... If they contact me I can do my best to get them a district. The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 316	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:41:00 - [94] - Quote It might be a good idea to seperate corps by strength so we have AAA corp AA, A... Like movies. Put a list somewhere and have corps fight for reognition. Separate regions of space so people can easily identify where to strike by corp strength. As we recognize we are nowhere the strength of dark legion for example, we can still give a good fight.
Cavani1EE7 The Rainbow Effect 93	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:48:00 - [95] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: It might be a good idea to seperate corps by strength so we have AAA corp AA, A... Like movies. Put a list somewhere and have corps fight for reognition. Separate regions of space so people can easily identify where to strike by corp strength. As we recognize we are nowhere the strength of dark legion for example, we can still give a good fight. FWA AAA 1337
Long Evity 1574	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:04:00 - [96] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: It might be a good idea to seperate corps by strength so we have AAA corp AA, A... Like movies. Put a list somewhere and have corps fight for reognition. Separate regions of space so people can easily identify where to strike by corp strength. As we recognize we are nowhere the strength of dark legion for example, we can still give a good fight. It's called tiers. OH/ERA - top tier. Corps who can field a decent team and not get red lined - mid tier. Corps who can't do crap - low tier.. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1943	Posted - 2014.06.23 08:18:00 - [97] - Quote We've acquired 9 districts from Nyain San tonight and we're expecting another 5 or so at a later date so keep sending us those mails if you and your corporation are interested in experiencing Planetary Conquest. Contact Rexero for district sale and transfers. o7 The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 319	Posted - 2014.06.23 09:06:00 - [98] - Quote Rexero's Real-estate is now open for business! Make sure you acquire your very own piece of care bear land today! & justice for all
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Final Resolution. 22	Posted - 2014.06.23 16:02:00 - [99] - Quote i hope this works out, if you could get a CCP member onboard then that would help to set rules and maintain overall balance,, CCP Rattati but also GM Archduke has been very active. I played with him when we had 32 people Q Sync into FW and handicap ourselves to different weapons, plasma cannons, knives etc. He even had the idea to get these matches into the 'other contracts' section.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11072	Posted - 2014.06.24 03:42:00 - [100] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: It might be a good idea to seperate corps by strength so we have AAA corp AA, A... Like movies. Put a list somewhere and have corps fight for reognition. Separate regions of space so people can easily identify where to strike by corp strength. As we recognize we are nowhere the strength of dark legion for example, we can still give a good fight. Ahahahahahahahahhahahahaahhhahahahhahaha AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHA " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III



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