Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :)

I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see.

This is awesome, and exactly what we want.

This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well.

But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy.

if you look at Nyan San right now they are still trying to give away districts and no one outside of PC is trying to take them because pretty much there just is not many new corps out there that can put out a full team.

Ok.

Prima Gallicus is ready to help you Tiberius.

No attacks on Almur between now and tne ownership by new corporations.

When they will be in their new districts (full clones), we can launch funny fights to improve their level and to show planetary conquest for our new players. In case of victory, we will not trying to take a district.

Only when teams will be strong enough (for ewample when they win an attack against an other corporation), classicals attacks without restrictions will come.

Tell me if it's ok.

Your alliance take 50% of the districts. What do you speak about?

We attacked escrow removal 2 weeks ago (nice fight, a little bit more and they lost the district), and we were in a match against Sver with What The French few days ago. Alliance with DNS? lol. We have friends, but no alliance.

It's been done. Remember when AE. retired and gave away their districts less than a month ago? It was at no cost.

The PC ready corporations that took that offer are still active in PC sans any carebear hand-holding. Take a look at the diversity on DUST Alerts compared to how it was when DNS controlled 90-something percent of MH.

I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed.

I'm going to have go with the "No" vote on this, guys. Your alliancing with DNS (based off the above thread comments) and recent activities from STB (also under the DNS banner) makes what you are proposing little else than a thinly obscured land grab for DNS. Especially since PFC already exists as a controlled environment to promote growing corps. Especially since every other time this exact same model has been tried the end result has been territory consolidation with "the smaller corps" getting shafted.

Not to tell you guys how to run your show but did you consider just giving territories you possess away, no strings attached aside from you not reattacking them? Sink or swim, the corps you pick learn to live or decide to die? Instead of the same ultimatums with the same marketing MH has been seeing for a year+?

And for the record I respond only since the question was posed to me ("the community") from my individual perspective in the (PC) trenches.

AE gave all their districts away for free on the basis of two constituents

1.AE Already had 65334564 billion ISK, so why charge for districts?

2. All districts are biasedly sent to only corps that AE were friends with or had a stake in

So what you're asking is that we don't attack the districts in this system? Or that we give up the districts in this system?

... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite.

But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped.
Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS.

Its a basic foundation to a plan. It needs discussed and then agreed upon by the community. The goal of Almur...is to let the people in there fight against each other, with the intent to eventually MOVE out. Almur is tactically sound, in orden to launch clones againt somone inside there, you will have to accept a huge loss in clones. 1 way in, which is from Fittaken)bosena/oddelulf). With the new patch coming SOON. Holding more then 10-15 districts will just leave you open to attacks. No passive Isk Generation. So why not sell for cheap currentl districts held in Almur. You will make money from the clone sale..and from district sale.

This is a work in progress. A good one. People should be jumping at the chance to get in there. Actively reach out to the corps currently in there and make deals with them. Then, prepare to fight each other. No Meta, no drama, no politics. Just straight up FIGHT..then say GG...then fight again. When your ready..THEN come join the rest of us..and join in on all the drama/politics. Haha.

Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles.

Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days.

You are becoming allies with DNS for what again?

What the **** are you talking about? lol


1. AE's wallet had no where even remotely close to that amount of isk. You can cut that number by more than 50% and the wallet still wouldn't even have anything remotely close.

2. Also lies lol, districts were literally sent to everyone that asked for them. People who were even helping ERA fight us when we were trying to hand them out got districts when they asked. We weren't friends with most of the corps we gave districts too, we were neutral to most of them. Some of them we didn't like but still gave them land (such as ML). By the way, we not only gave them free land but we also payed them to be fielded in no shows so they could farm isk.

Kujo gave me, Steven, Bigole, etc. isk to pay everyone we were fielding into no shows. Steven was even holding contests where the winner would receive isk. So ya... let me tell you lol, AE only gave it too our friends.


O and by the way... your corp was allowed to join the fun too. Everyone was allowed :)

If AE only gave land to friends, then I guess AE has a **** load of friends because that chatroom was getting spammed as much as the FEC chat many months ago.


AE had a lot of land and now there is a large variety of corps in PC. Put one and two together cupcake, they got all of that land from AE and districts AE was flipping from ERA no shows.




On a side note: Nibbles, is there any particular reason why this guy is so butt hurt about AE that all he does is spread lies about them? AE is retired and he suddenly pops up to start spreading lies constantly as if he someone hurt his feelings in AE. Is it about the RA vs ProV war? Is he butt hurt about that? Seriously get over it lol, no one cares.

Please keep your butthurt members in line Nibbles, idiots who don't know anything or just spread lies constantly always cause problems later down the road.

Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days.

You are becoming allies with DNS for what again?

We are not looking to hold peoples hand and guide them through PC we are looking to provide more opportunities for corporations to build themselves up, a corp focused to heavily on dependence of outside resources is a corp that can not and will not be able to stand on its own... as I said before we are now merely interested in providing fights for ourselves and the community.

...if this idea seems too malicious for your tastes then provide us with an alternative idea other than letting corporations sink or swim, I can only imagine how tough it is for corps to try and enter PC at this sad state.

What would it take to prove that our intentions are towards goodwill? Does spending the time to put this document rather than simply fighting to acquire these districts not carry my point across?