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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:19:00 -
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The Pursuit of Goods Fights in Planetary Conquest
We here in 0uter.Heaven wish to propose an idea to you, the members of the community, of our goals and ideas to improve the overall Planetary Conquest experience. Many corporations before have attempted this and have all but failed due to lack of vision for the community and rather a focus on benefiting themselves.
We want to create an environment where corporations, who at least have a team of 16 able and ready mercenaries, are able to experience the highest level of competition Dust514 has to offer. However, we donGÇÖt want to bite off more than we can chew by trying to do something like; control the entirety of Molden Heath, as this only creates more problems than it solves. As such, we would like to focus our efforts on the Almur constellation, creating opportunities for corporations to obtain districts in the Sakulda, Hedaleolfarber and Altbrard systems and have good, competitive PC battles.
In order to do this, we must first open up a majority of the districts currently occupied by large entities and stronger tier corporations in Almur. Once this is done we wish to distribute these district back to the community as either gifts or purchasable real estate. We have no interest in vacating all the corporations who already hold land, unless you are not actively using your districts to participate in PC battles with us and the community. Ultimately, we wish to make the rest of the system available to more corporations and promote the pursuit of good fights in PC.
Currently, 0uter.Heaven owns 15 districts in the Almur System and we plan to hold no more than 25% of the constellation. There are a total of 55 districts in Almur, which leaves 40 districts available to be utilized by PC hungry corporations regardless of size. An ideal situation would be for participating corporations to hold 2 districts (for a total of 20 corporations), for an opportunity to play PCs without the fear/threat of losing land and getting kicked out from PC, but these are merely ideas as I am waiting to see if we actually have 20 more corporations that are interested in experiencing PC.
There are currently a total of 20 corporations that resides in Almur as of Tuesday, June 10th. These corporations are:
-+ 0uter.Heaven -+ Ultramarine Corp -+ Grupo de Asalto Chacal -+ LastVendetta. -+ D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N -+ KEQ -+ Nyain San -+ Nyain Chan -+ Molon Labe -+ DDB -+ GUTZ -+ Rising Suns -+ Gods Among Men -+ Eternal Beings -+ The Phoenix Federation -+ Exiled Elite Templars -+ The Last of Dust -+ Planet Express -+ Ravenclawarts514 -+ The Southern Legion
We ask that these corporations, who currently hold land in Almur to contact; 1st Lieutenant Tiberius, WhataguyTTU or Reiselia regarding this plan we have proposed and your thoughts/opinions about it and ultimately help us create an environment where the community may experience the thrill and excitement of playing with their brothers and sisters at Dust514GÇÖs highest level of competition, as we do here in 0uter.Heaven.
Once these districts are made available, our plan right now is sell/redistribute these districts in Almur to able and ready corporations for 50 million ISK (Production Facility/Surface Research) and 65 million ISK (Cargo Hub). This will provide the community with an option to grind a minimum of 90 million ISK to flip a production facility with clones pack (an extra 45 mil for a cargo hub) or to grind out 50 to 65 million ISK to purchase/acquire a district from 0uter.Heaven.
As with all good systems it must first be implemented then maintained, and with these ideas we want to be as transparent as possible to the community in communicating our goal of providing you with Planetary Conquest battles, so please do not hesitate to contact us or reply here with any suggestions or ideas you have to make this concept a reality, help us make it easier for you to experience Planetary Conquest.
PC battles have been exclusive to a very small portion of the player base and itGÇÖs time we changed that.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles.
766
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:28:00 -
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Don't you wanta Wanta Fanta, don't you wanata Wanta Fanta
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Spinning spinning getting dizzy you need something fresh and fizzy.
Don't you wanta?
"I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
638
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:40:00 -
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If you have any question about are district in that area feel free to contact me in game about the ideas you have for newer corps to get in to PC.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3546
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Posted - 2014.06.10 08:39:00 -
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Haven't you realised by now that everytime this happens, the corps getting helped simply get attacked repeatedly and then their district is taken.
I have seen it happen 4 times now with this possibly being the fifth.
Afterwards you are left with that list of the same corps.
If you really seriously want to help them, give newer corps the isk they need to stay in PC, that's the biggest problem. No amount of help means sht if they don't have enough isk to stay and once they get kicked out and that year long grinds worth of isk is gone, they quit the game altogether.
You must understand that PC as a higher level of play has the least variety in each match, its very bland and boring and people will not grind isk for a time consuming game mode that excludes 90% of peoples preferred loadouts and play styles.
Just saying.
If you stop moving
You die
Dance with me
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Roman837
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
374
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:20:00 -
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ERA supports this message. We will NOT attack anyone in the Almur constellation unless OH has deemed them open to attack/remover(hence the removal in the corp tag)
We also, will offer our services to ring in defences for any teams deemed fit to hold land there. Prices for ringing to be determined, but it will be at a large discount to show our support to this venture.
To the large groups already inhabiting this area. Please contact a smaller corp that you know that would like to be in PC..and either sell or give away some districts in that area. The rest of MH is our playground, let's let the new corps build up and become stronger in this area.
I stress that those who are permitted in Almur take this oppertunity to be in a constant state of attack or defend. There should be no more the a 48hr period of time your district is ONLINE. Use this as a chance to stretch out and enjoy full team combat. Without worry of large groups coming in to remove you. Don't abuse this.
Good luck in this Tibs, you can count on our support.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
341
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:32:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Haven't you realised by now that everytime this happens, the corps getting helped simply get attacked repeatedly and then their district is taken.
I have seen it happen 4 times now with this possibly being the fifth.
Afterwards you are left with that list of the same corps.
If you really seriously want to help them, give newer corps the isk they need to stay in PC, that's the biggest problem. No amount of help means sht if they don't have enough isk to stay and once they get kicked out and that year long grinds worth of isk is gone, they quit the game altogether.
You must understand that PC as a higher level of play has the least variety in each match, its very bland and boring and people will not grind isk for a time consuming game mode that excludes 90% of peoples preferred loadouts and play styles.
Just saying.
Absolutely man, this idea was is being tossed around due to the consistent high activity of OH and IH.
I think the price can be negotiated anyway and may be dropped to help get people into this system. Regardless, in this PC world nowadays you can't just hold someones hand all day ringing for them as it is no benefit for the corp itself. But OH can at least police the system, to keep the little guy from getting squashed for those super IMBA PCs fights.
It's ultimately just a much cheaper way of obtaining districts without the grind of 2 or more clone packs needed to flip and you get added security. Techmech, you are absolutely correct that ISK is a problem for most corps but handing out ISK is definitely not the way.
This has always been a goal of OHs to get new corps into PCs to diversify the environment. This is a much more organized way of helping the little guy.
Roman, I'm glad your on board with this! The transition into this plan will run that much smoother!
We like to share this opportunity for comments and suggestions that may better guide this Carebear 514 PC environment. |
bunnywink
821
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:04:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: We ask that these corporations, who currently hold land in Almur to contact; 1st Lieutenant Tiberius, WhataguyTTU or Reiselia regarding this plan we have proposed and your thoughts/opinions about it and ultimately help us create an environment where the community may experience the thrill and excitement of playing with their brothers and sisters at Dust514GÇÖs highest level of competition, as we do here in 0uter.Heaven.
Once these districts are made available, our plan right now is sell/redistribute these districts in Almur to able and ready corporations for 50 million ISK (Production Facility/Surface Research) and 65 million ISK (Cargo Hub). This will provide the community with an option to grind a minimum of 90 million ISK to flip a production facility with clones pack (an extra 45 mil for a cargo hub) or to grind out 50 to 65 million ISK to purchase/acquire a district from 0uter.Heaven.
You want corporations to give up their districts in these systems to 0uter.Heaven... freely? So you can sell them to other corporations for 50 to 65 million ISK?
LOL, OKAY.
SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
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bunnywink
824
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:13:00 -
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Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much.
If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest.
SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:21:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much.
If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest.
I agree with this, however point is moot if we are just giving them away as there's no incentive to really try to hold it. "Oh no worries we will just get another free district." Regardless, I did say the price will likely be dropped, more so a proposal.
Maybe there's away to pool that district money for other than personal purpose, we are just looking for ideas from the people who STILL play the game.
Currently OH is a powerhouse that is just looking in giving another opportunity. Other then ERA going to war with us, is not really anything to keep us back. However, I doubt Roman or Tib have any thoughts of advocating war. As Dust 514 continues, things continue to grow really stale, this is effort of also bringing so buzz around. PC is a dying environment, and as a top contender in PC wish it not to continue on this path.
We don't expect anyone to freely give up districts.
Security in a sense of not being booted out of PC for extended time. Also personal OH security will be there if corps are personally being picked on by other high tier corps. Yes they should be able to play against high competition but not at the expense of staying out of PC. The security is less ringing and more getting districts back to people who got the shaft end of the stick. Also why I said the recycling of districts would yield us giving the district back to people who WANT to continue PC. |
Roman837
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
374
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:31:00 -
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Its a basic foundation to a plan. It needs discussed and then agreed upon by the community. The goal of Almur...is to let the people in there fight against each other, with the intent to eventually MOVE out. Almur is tactically sound, in orden to launch clones againt somone inside there, you will have to accept a huge loss in clones. 1 way in, which is from Fittaken)bosena/oddelulf). With the new patch coming SOON. Holding more then 10-15 districts will just leave you open to attacks. No passive Isk Generation. So why not sell for cheap currentl districts held in Almur. You will make money from the clone sale..and from district sale.
This is a work in progress. A good one. People should be jumping at the chance to get in there. Actively reach out to the corps currently in there and make deals with them. Then, prepare to fight each other. No Meta, no drama, no politics. Just straight up FIGHT..then say GG...then fight again. When your ready..THEN come join the rest of us..and join in on all the drama/politics. Haha.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
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bunnywink
827
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:32:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:bunnywink wrote:Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much.
If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest.
I agree with this, however point is moot if we are just giving them away as there's no incentive to really try to hold it. "Oh no worries we will just get another free district." Regardless, I did say the price will likely be dropped, more so a proposal. Maybe there's away to pool that district money for other than personal purpose, we are just looking for ideas from the people who STILL play the game. Currently OH is a powerhouse that is just looking in giving another opportunity. Other then ERA going to war with us, is not really anything to keep us back. However, I doubt Roman or Tib have any thoughts of advocating war. As Dust 514 continues, things continue to grow really stale, this is effort of also bringing so buzz around. PC is a dying environment, and as a top contender in PC wish it not to continue on this path. We don't expect anyone to freely give up districts.
With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost.
SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
317
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:32:00 -
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Roman837 wrote: ERA supports this message. We will NOT attack anyone in the Almur constellation unless OH has deemed them open to attack/remover(hence the removal in the corp tag)
We also, will offer our services to ring in defences for any teams deemed fit to hold land there. Prices for ringing to be determined, but it will be at a large discount to show our support to this venture.
To the large groups already inhabiting this area. Please contact a smaller corp that you know that would like to be in PC..and either sell or give away some districts in that area. The rest of MH is our playground, let's let the new corps build up and become stronger in this area.
I stress that those who are permitted in Almur take this oppertunity to be in a constant state of attack or defend. There should be no more the a 48hr period of time your district is ONLINE. Use this as a chance to stretch out and enjoy full team combat. Without worry of large groups coming in to remove you. Don't abuse this.
Good luck in this Tibs, you can count on our support. Did you not read this: "We want to create an environment where corporations, who at least have a team of 16 able and ready mercenaries"? This area will be for corp battles, not ringer batttles.
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Roman837
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
374
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:37:00 -
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Did you not read MY response all the way? My guys will ring in defence, if a team, one of the big dogs, comes into to prey on them. If the team attacking them is from Almur, they are on there own.
Just because they have 16 able mercs doesn't mean they can beat TLOD Go Flux Yourself, or some other big names. They don't need wiped off the map. ERA will NOT attack anyone in Almur. Nor will OH. So, that leaves your teams being able to fight amongst yourselfs. Without being crushed. Fair deal, and I applaud OH for stepping up. We at ERA take NO credit for this.
But we do support it completly.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:42:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:
With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost.
Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day.
It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway.
I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however. |
Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
317
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:43:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Did you not read MY response all the way? My guys will ring in defence, if a team, one of the big dogs, comes into to prey on them. If the team attacking them is from Almur, they are on there own.
Just because they have 16 able mercs doesn't mean they can beat TLOD Go Flux Yourself, or some other big names. They don't need wiped off the map. ERA will NOT attack anyone in Almur. Nor will OH. So, that leaves your teams being able to fight amongst yourselfs. Without being crushed. Fair deal, and I applaud OH for stepping up. We at ERA take NO credit for this.
But we do support it completly. How will you know who the "big dogs" are bringing? Could be training some new guys. Or they could be just doing a one-time attack with a clone pack to gather some intel. The batphone needs to be disconnected in Almur.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:44:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:
But we do support it completly.
Roman, I admire you stating this. If you guys don't interfere, that is the biggest contributing factor to help us set the foundation.
It will not be looked over.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:49:00 -
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Kam Elto wrote:How will you know who the "big dogs" are bringing? Could be training some new guys. Or they could be just doing a one-time attack with a clone pack to gather some intel. The batphone needs to be disconnected in Almur.
Excellent Fuggin point man. However it's nearly impossible to control ringers and I feel will cause way too much heartache trying to keep on top of that. This almur plan is trying to touch on the point that it will be REALLY EASY to get back in.
I don't know any way to regulate ringers though other then gentleman's agreement (Lolworthy in dust). I'd hate to be that guy, "Oh sorry, this is the 2nd time you've used unauthorized ringers, prepare to die." But if this is wanted by a good majority, it could happen I suppose. |
Roman837
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
374
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:55:00 -
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There is a very simple solution to this issue. If you attack somone on almur..and your from one of those BIG corps looking to do training....then CONTACT the corp you are attacking and let them know! Simple. This also practices diplomacy.
If the team that attacks you..says its for training..and brings an entire team of ringers and flips you. Well, then OH has ERA support at taking it back.
THAT is what I offer this venture.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
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bunnywink
827
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:56:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:bunnywink wrote:
With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost.
Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day. It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway. I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however.
It's been done. Remember when AE. retired and gave away their districts less than a month ago? It was at no cost.
The PC ready corporations that took that offer are still active in PC sans any carebear hand-holding. Take a look at the diversity on DUST Alerts compared to how it was when DNS controlled 90-something percent of MH.
I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed.
SELF-PROCLAIMED ORBITAL STRIKE QUEEN.
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Roman837
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
376
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:00:00 -
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Come on now Bunny. When AE "retired" they gave away almost all their districts to TLOD(whom most reformed under) and to other members of their alliance in Tso's.
OH should make some isk from this. It will require hard work.
Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:03:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:
I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed.
This is why we are here talking about it. This was a huge point I've already brought up with other OH leadership.
The thing is though, we could just sell clones all day with 20+ districts and make more money then this. AE's thing was a 1 time deal, this is a planned re-occurring service. Like any service, it will need upkeep costs. Nothing is set in stone yet, especially ISK pricing. |
WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:11:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:There is a very simple solution to this issue. If you attack somone on almur..and your from one of those BIG corps looking to do training....then CONTACT the corp you are attacking and let them know! Simple. This also practices diplomacy.
If the team that attacks you..says its for training..and brings an entire team of ringers and flips you. Well, then OH has ERA support at taking it back.
THAT is what I offer this venture.
Roman, in an ideal world this is perfect! However, it's just too often an occurrence to hear two sides of the story.
"derp derp, this is a trying match" **enters 10 trainees and 6 dust vets**
Response, "Wahhh they stomped us with their super studs, not fair they said training match!"
Diplomacy almost only really matters with the Corps that have the power to change things. But yes good practice anyway. |
Your Absolut End
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
578
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:12:00 -
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Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate.
Lol
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
342
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:18:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate.
Lol
Bad troll is bad? Lol, I'm confused. |
Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
301
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:20:00 -
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Doesn't PFC already exist for this exact purpose? |
Your Absolut End
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
578
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:26:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Your Absolut End wrote:Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate.
Lol Bad troll is bad? Lol, I'm confused.
Updated the post for you, dunno who the real troll in this thread is tho
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
5716
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:43:00 -
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All profits are going to pay my bar tab(s). You would not believe the price of a 20 thousand year old bottle of scotch.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2689
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:04:00 -
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Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1857
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:05:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed.
Look, Bunny, 0.H has never been a rich corp heck I've never been a rich merc, I simply have enough to stock a hundred of all my suits to play PC. The ISK is not important to us, we included these prices in the plan to create incentives for people to want to be involved, giving the community another path other than what CCP has offered us to get into PC, that is what we wish to do.
If 50 to 65 Million ISK is way too much to ask for a district then tell me what is, I want to refrain from simply giving out districts because it goes against what we are trying to accomplish here; We want to incentivize more corporations to experience Planetary Conquest battles. Simple. This idea was put out so that you, the community, can help us achieve that.
As Guy has said before simply giving out districts is not out of the question whatsoever, but we believe that corps who are serious and hungry to play PC would have no problem grinding out such a minuscule amount to obtain a district, whats the point of giving away districts when they are not being used to fight PC battles? By having a price that is large enough to be something a corporation has to work for but small enough for it to be accessible to the entire community we will achieve the goal we have set here
Exactly like you said there is no incentive anymore to hold land so why not open it up and allow the people, who originally never got to experience PC, experience PC.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1857
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :)
Except:
1. We do not plan to dictate who can or cannot be there; we only ask that you play PC battles if you want to participate
2. We will not reacquire districts only to resell them for a large price, in the hopes of making a personal profit
3. We will refrain from interfering too much with the battles that occur in Almur within reason, e.g. if a corp hires ERA under contract to fight then there is no reason why the opposing corp cant hire 0.H to help them, besides that would just create more fights for 0.H which is our number one goal. - Though I agree with Kam Elto, the batphone needs to be disconnected for Almur, teams need to play with their teams against teams of similar experience levels, constant dependence on ringers are more detrimental to the corporation than losing battles and learning from them are.
4. We do not wish to police it to be "the big dogs of MH" we simply want to create an environment where people can play PC without fear of stepping on anyones toes or the threat of being completely destroyed, demoralized and kicked out of PC
Trolls be trolls but understand that I have no ulterior motives, 0.H has been here since the beginning; we've overcome complete and utter adversity and we are one of the very few corps who are able to use a 36mil 120 clone pack going against EVE support and take a district; We do not wish to impose this obstacle on people who want to participate today. The game is at a wounded state at the moment and simply going around and ******* **** up is not what I believe to be the right move, we in 0.H would like to use the resources we have available to help provide content for corporations who have had little to no experience in PC, and would like to.
I do not recognize the current PFC as an effective vehicle for doing this, nor am I concerned of what goes on in that area. We simply want to focus our current efforts on Almur and we believe that this can be done with enough support and participation from the community.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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