DUST Search - Pursuit of Good Fights in PC

Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:

el OPERATOR wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say.

You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys.

/Zatara seal of approval

So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it?

What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether?

Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming.

In my opinion, anyone should be able to attack anyone but only PFC corps can flip PFC districts and Almur corps can only flip Almur districts. That way everyone can fight everyone but PFC/Almur corps can't play "diplomatic immunity" to constantly try to flip districts outside of their area.

It could cause problems with PFC corps constantly trying to flip Almur districts without worrying about an Almur corp flipping them. You all work out those details, I'm just tossing the first idea that comes to mind.

Just a 5 second idea that probably has a lot of flaws to it. You all work out the small details :P

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el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:58:00 - [1] - Quote I'm going to have go with the "No" vote on this, guys. Your alliancing with DNS (based off the above thread comments) and recent activities from STB (also under the DNS banner) makes what you are proposing little else than a thinly obscured land grab for DNS. Especially since PFC already exists as a controlled environment to promote growing corps. Especially since every other time this exact same model has been tried the end result has been territory consolidation with "the smaller corps" getting shafted. Not to tell you guys how to run your show but did you consider just giving territories you possess away, no strings attached aside from you not reattacking them? Sink or swim, the corps you pick learn to live or decide to die? Instead of the same ultimatums with the same marketing MH has been seeing for a year+? And for the record I respond only since the question was posed to me ("the community") from my individual perspective in the (PC) trenches. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Your alliance take 50% of the districts. What do you speak about? We attacked escrow removal 2 weeks ago (nice fight, a little bit more and they lost the district), and we were in a match against Sver with What The French few days ago. Alliance with DNS? lol. We have friends, but no alliance. Our alliance also leaves the vast majority, if not all, of those districts online. Open and available to be attacked by ANY corp that wants to enter PC. On various timers globally, increasing access potential. Our alliance also has been and is still giving away districts to smaller groups who ask. A jointly supported initiative = an alliance. Whether you're sharing tags or not. And while being "friends" is a good thing, not every "friendship" begins without ulterior motives. Just like not every friendship ends amicably. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:54:00 - [3] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: ... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite. But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped. Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: We are not looking to hold peoples hand and guide them through PC we are looking to provide more opportunities for corporations to build themselves up, a corp focused to heavily on dependence of outside resources is a corp that can not and will not be able to stand on its own... as I said before we are now merely interested in providing fights for ourselves and the community. ...if this idea seems too malicious for your tastes then provide us with an alternative idea other than letting corporations sink or swim, I can only imagine how tough it is for corps to try and enter PC at this sad state. What would it take to prove that our intentions are towards goodwill? Does spending the time to put this document rather than simply fighting to acquire these districts not carry my point across? First off, your intentions are not in question. You are not alone in wanting to be agents of positive effect for newer or smaller corps. My questions come from what I'm seeing be built. The same way Orville Wright hated inventing the airplane after seeing the Enola Gay at work. An alternative that I'm sure you've considered already would be really to just carry on as you have been, albeit with a slight twist. Stage your attacks and get your fights in but do not flip. Network with the leaders of these other corps to provide training, counseling and advisement on their terms as they see fit. We all ( most of us) really just want fights, especially good fights. And we can get them without creating a situation that enables abuse or entrenches conditions which serve the malicious. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:18:00 - [6] - Quote Roman837 wrote: This fella really doesnt like ERA or DNS eh? Get over the DNS 100% thing dude. Was over a month ago. New leadership, new goals. New Blue donut. If you truely are against large alliances, leave your own. ERA and OH are not allied. I have simply stated I will NOT attack Almur. That is it. In fact, we have a PC against OH tomorow night. Its about outside our time zone..but we will bring what we can! I have very few feelings regarding ERA or DNS outside of a competitive respect for one and a proven worthwhile distrust of the other. My stance here is not emotional. I am not against alliances large or small. I recognize alliances as being born from more than just formal documentation, common efforts towards common goals ally groups often more thouroghly than any paper treaty ever could. And once an alliance is forged it's misrepresentative to the point of fraudulent to claim "non-alliance". Actions>words in this matter. Old General Motors=New General Motors=Same Old General Motors. Except to the lawyers trying to argue away willful negligence liability. DNS=DNS=DNS. Except to the short-memoried or the willfully oblivious, neither of which am I. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:52:00 - [7] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: This is not a discussion about past events. Chance stop replying to this thread unless you have anything constructive to say about the topic. Yoshi please respect my wish to stay on topic by not replying to chance about this, consider this tangent ended. With that said keep the discussion going guys. So just to clear up Will the people who play in the Almur system be allowed to have districts outside of the Almur system also Or is it ONLY for corps that no other stakes elsewhere in PC Also say, in the future, these Corps grow in size and power How will they be able to flourish onto more districts? Will they be allowed to own more districts in Almur or let out to have to use districts elsewhere? Good questions. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 180	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:52:00 - [9] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Thank you Operator for constructive suggestion. Yesterday felt like you were attacking everything we were proposing. Lol, was somewhat frustrating. Re-read some of that stuff, I made a couple of proposals. I am still against the full "locking out" of the area, but it's less a distrust of OH/OHs intent and more just that should you guys "lose" control of yourselves or others there the region is isolated and will be a beeotch to get into and stop. LOL I'm not trying to be an ******* here, my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 22:20:00 - [10] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out. And we come from the perspective of fighting against big superpowers, including DNS, ever sine 0.Hs conception. We are well aware of the dangers but we feel this is something that we can achieve. I don't think anyone questions the ability to do it, just if and when it goes south how bad it will be and what it will take to correct it. New Idea: What about setting up districts as straight up "clone banks" for use by small corps to enter PC actual with? The districts are left unmolested by everyone but the clones they generate are given/traded/raffled off to stage attacks in MH to STARTER corps? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.06.12 22:44:00 - [11] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. In my opinion, anyone should be able to attack anyone but only PFC corps can flip PFC districts and Almur corps can only flip Almur districts. That way everyone can fight everyone but PFC/Almur corps can't play "diplomatic immunity" to constantly try to flip districts outside of their area. It could cause problems with PFC corps constantly trying to flip Almur districts without worrying about an Almur corp flipping them. You all work out those details, I'm just tossing the first idea that comes to mind. Just a 5 second idea that probably has a lot of flaws to it. You all work out the small details :P I think PFC corps should be insulated from aggression by majors, they learn the basics and fight amongst themselves until w/e criteria they and the PFC council (thats still a thing, right?) uses determines they are ready to move up, at which point they go to Almur. In Almur they still fight amongst themselves but are also open to attacks from majors and can use ringers (which were prohibited on PFC last I heard). Still no flips, just fights and after X amount of time or activity thresholds they are then either promoted (maybe with some combat isk) to PC actual or relegated back to PFC/out of PC. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.