DUST Search - Pursuit of Good Fights in PC

el OPERATOR wrote:

Zatara Rought wrote:

I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say.

You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys.

/Zatara seal of approval

So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it?

What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether?

Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming.


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WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 341	Posted - 2014.06.10 13:32:00 - [1] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Haven't you realised by now that everytime this happens, the corps getting helped simply get attacked repeatedly and then their district is taken. I have seen it happen 4 times now with this possibly being the fifth. Afterwards you are left with that list of the same corps. If you really seriously want to help them, give newer corps the isk they need to stay in PC, that's the biggest problem. No amount of help means sht if they don't have enough isk to stay and once they get kicked out and that year long grinds worth of isk is gone, they quit the game altogether. You must understand that PC as a higher level of play has the least variety in each match, its very bland and boring and people will not grind isk for a time consuming game mode that excludes 90% of peoples preferred loadouts and play styles. Just saying. Absolutely man, this idea was is being tossed around due to the consistent high activity of OH and IH. I think the price can be negotiated anyway and may be dropped to help get people into this system. Regardless, in this PC world nowadays you can't just hold someones hand all day ringing for them as it is no benefit for the corp itself. But OH can at least police the system, to keep the little guy from getting squashed for those super IMBA PCs fights. It's ultimately just a much cheaper way of obtaining districts without the grind of 2 or more clone packs needed to flip and you get added security. Techmech, you are absolutely correct that ISK is a problem for most corps but handing out ISK is definitely not the way. This has always been a goal of OHs to get new corps into PCs to diversify the environment. This is a much more organized way of helping the little guy. Roman, I'm glad your on board with this! The transition into this plan will run that much smoother! We like to share this opportunity for comments and suggestions that may better guide this Carebear 514 PC environment.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:21:00 - [2] - Quote bunnywink wrote: Is this Jita? If you think these corporations deserve a district, just give it to them freely. Making a profit in the guise of helping others "experience Planetary Conquest" is a little much. If this fee is for "security" reasons, then what is even the point? If you're going to end up ringing for the corporations holding districts, then they aren't experiencing Planetary Conquest. I agree with this, however point is moot if we are just giving them away as there's no incentive to really try to hold it. "Oh no worries we will just get another free district." Regardless, I did say the price will likely be dropped, more so a proposal. Maybe there's away to pool that district money for other than personal purpose, we are just looking for ideas from the people who STILL play the game. Currently OH is a powerhouse that is just looking in giving another opportunity. Other then ERA going to war with us, is not really anything to keep us back. However, I doubt Roman or Tib have any thoughts of advocating war. As Dust 514 continues, things continue to grow really stale, this is effort of also bringing so buzz around. PC is a dying environment, and as a top contender in PC wish it not to continue on this path. We don't expect anyone to freely give up districts. Security in a sense of not being booted out of PC for extended time. Also personal OH security will be there if corps are personally being picked on by other high tier corps. Yes they should be able to play against high competition but not at the expense of staying out of PC. The security is less ringing and more getting districts back to people who got the shaft end of the stick. Also why I said the recycling of districts would yield us giving the district back to people who WANT to continue PC.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:42:00 - [3] - Quote bunnywink wrote: With the upcoming changes to PC, there is no monetary incentive to hold districts regardless of whether you sell them or give them up freely to other corporations. PC is an ISK sink. The only incentive to holding a district is the ability to fight other corporations in organized teams. If that's what people want, then I say they should be given the districts at no cost. Lol, by all means go make your own plan for free districts all day. It's all a proposal and actively trying the find the best medium. I don't think districts we will be giving out free off the get go but personally any corp that can't farm atleast 20-30mil probably shouldn't even be trying to PC anyway. I do respect your efforts though bunny, we've known the ISK price is not where it needs to be already however.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:44:00 - [4] - Quote Roman837 wrote: But we do support it completly. Roman, I admire you stating this. If you guys don't interfere, that is the biggest contributing factor to help us set the foundation. It will not be looked over.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:49:00 - [5] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: How will you know who the "big dogs" are bringing? Could be training some new guys. Or they could be just doing a one-time attack with a clone pack to gather some intel. The batphone needs to be disconnected in Almur. Excellent Fuggin point man. However it's nearly impossible to control ringers and I feel will cause way too much heartache trying to keep on top of that. This almur plan is trying to touch on the point that it will be REALLY EASY to get back in. I don't know any way to regulate ringers though other then gentleman's agreement (Lolworthy in dust). I'd hate to be that guy, "Oh sorry, this is the 2nd time you've used unauthorized ringers, prepare to die." But if this is wanted by a good majority, it could happen I suppose.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:03:00 - [6] - Quote bunnywink wrote: I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed. This is why we are here talking about it. This was a huge point I've already brought up with other OH leadership. The thing is though, we could just sell clones all day with 20+ districts and make more money then this. AE's thing was a 1 time deal, this is a planned re-occurring service. Like any service, it will need upkeep costs. Nothing is set in stone yet, especially ISK pricing.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:11:00 - [7] - Quote Roman837 wrote: There is a very simple solution to this issue. If you attack somone on almur..and your from one of those BIG corps looking to do training....then CONTACT the corp you are attacking and let them know! Simple. This also practices diplomacy. If the team that attacks you..says its for training..and brings an entire team of ringers and flips you. Well, then OH has ERA support at taking it back. THAT is what I offer this venture. Roman, in an ideal world this is perfect! However, it's just too often an occurrence to hear two sides of the story. "derp derp, this is a trying match" enters 10 trainees and 6 dust vets Response, "Wahhh they stomped us with their super studs, not fair they said training match!" Diplomacy almost only really matters with the Corps that have the power to change things. But yes good practice anyway.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 342	Posted - 2014.06.10 15:18:00 - [8] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: Wow, u guys get a nice offer fom Roman to support ur idea and all you do is playing devils advocate. Lol Bad troll is bad? Lol, I'm confused.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 343	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:27:00 - [9] - Quote Lol, Tib it will take some time to get the word out as most of our targeted group doesn't browse the War Room. Most forum regulars have seen this kind of thing fail before so it's real easy to feel skeptical. People need to look at the other side where Isk-poor corps cannot afford to be spending 90+ mil on each POTENTIAL flip. It was suggested just to give them to people who we know can handle getting a consistent 16 on. Most corps that have reached this point do not need their hand held like children IMO. They would obviously even be able to pay the steep 45mil clone packs which even if you win yields small profit margin. Cheaper cost to get a district =>potential of much bigger profit This is just another opportunity! A re-occurring opportunity! Not much is going to change in this game but adding whatever we can as a single corp is effort in the right direction. Recycling districts leaves a bad taste, it's like beating up a kid for his candy, taking a bite, and handing it back.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 343	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:11:00 - [10] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok. Prima Gallicus is ready to help you Tiberius. No attacks on Almur between now and tne ownership by new corporations. When they will be in their new districts (full clones), we can launch funny fights to improve their level and to show planetary conquest for our new players. In case of victory, we will not trying to take a district. Only when teams will be strong enough (for ewample when they win an attack against an other corporation), classicals attacks without restrictions will come. Tell me if it's ok. This sounds really nice, if people are actually interested in aid the effort for new PC corps this is probably one of the best ways to do it. All of those people that get left out of PCs in higher profile matches can definitely be able to find a good PC home in the Almur system. Good input Hubert.

WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 346	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:05:00 - [11] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again? Once again, this is another opportunity for people to come into PC at lower ISK rates. We are still fighting ERA fairly often, they bring the best fights. Lol, have you seen all the spiteful post OH has made back when the DNS donut was around? If anything we are blued with DL and Opus It's okay to be uninformed, OH has that too. (Sorry to burn you ChancetheChan LOL) ERA and OH share a goal for a new NPE effort that has not been offered before. We are obviously sucking each other off. Roman, btw I hope your ready for that 23:00 fellatio. If you can come up with something better please do, or just continue to sit back and let the PC NPE take dive. Sure, cap acc has given districts away to select corps, who hasn't? Big whoop. This doesn't give a consistent effort to bolster new corps.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 348	Posted - 2014.06.12 21:29:00 - [12] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the sooner they begin implementation the better. People's fears are often allayed when you prove you will do what you say. You do not need to hold 100% of Almur to accomplish this plan. g/l h/f guys. /Zatara seal of approval So, am I reading this correctly? You too are for initiatives to benefit the NPE/flatten the learning curve a little but anti consolidating an entire star system with limited access to it? What if OH were to "merge" their project with the existing PFC and set apart a (large) swath of space (not ALL) in Almur for those corps that have outgrown PFC? It could be more loosely governed than PFC but still "protected", and by having a second graduating step from PFC it frees up space on PFC itself. Almur corps will battle amongst themselves, be exposed to attack from larger groups, be able to ring players (but " protected" ie. no real flip risk) and if they maintain they branch into PC proper or if they fail hard enough, often enough, they go back to PFC actual after a period perhaps out of PC altogether? Just tossing out ideas here, Lt. Tib. No offense, I'm brainstorming. Thank you Operator for constructive suggestion. Yesterday felt like you were attacking everything we were proposing. Lol, was somewhat frustrating.