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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:19:00 -
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The Pursuit of Goods Fights in Planetary Conquest
We here in 0uter.Heaven wish to propose an idea to you, the members of the community, of our goals and ideas to improve the overall Planetary Conquest experience. Many corporations before have attempted this and have all but failed due to lack of vision for the community and rather a focus on benefiting themselves.
We want to create an environment where corporations, who at least have a team of 16 able and ready mercenaries, are able to experience the highest level of competition Dust514 has to offer. However, we donGÇÖt want to bite off more than we can chew by trying to do something like; control the entirety of Molden Heath, as this only creates more problems than it solves. As such, we would like to focus our efforts on the Almur constellation, creating opportunities for corporations to obtain districts in the Sakulda, Hedaleolfarber and Altbrard systems and have good, competitive PC battles.
In order to do this, we must first open up a majority of the districts currently occupied by large entities and stronger tier corporations in Almur. Once this is done we wish to distribute these district back to the community as either gifts or purchasable real estate. We have no interest in vacating all the corporations who already hold land, unless you are not actively using your districts to participate in PC battles with us and the community. Ultimately, we wish to make the rest of the system available to more corporations and promote the pursuit of good fights in PC.
Currently, 0uter.Heaven owns 15 districts in the Almur System and we plan to hold no more than 25% of the constellation. There are a total of 55 districts in Almur, which leaves 40 districts available to be utilized by PC hungry corporations regardless of size. An ideal situation would be for participating corporations to hold 2 districts (for a total of 20 corporations), for an opportunity to play PCs without the fear/threat of losing land and getting kicked out from PC, but these are merely ideas as I am waiting to see if we actually have 20 more corporations that are interested in experiencing PC.
There are currently a total of 20 corporations that resides in Almur as of Tuesday, June 10th. These corporations are:
-+ 0uter.Heaven
-+ Ultramarine Corp
-+ Grupo de Asalto Chacal
-+ LastVendetta.
-+ D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
-+ KEQ
-+ Nyain San
-+ Nyain Chan
-+ Molon Labe
-+ DDB
-+ GUTZ
-+ Rising Suns
-+ Gods Among Men
-+ Eternal Beings
-+ The Phoenix Federation
-+ Exiled Elite Templars
-+ The Last of Dust
-+ Planet Express
-+ Ravenclawarts514
-+ The Southern Legion
We ask that these corporations, who currently hold land in Almur to contact; 1st Lieutenant Tiberius, WhataguyTTU or Reiselia regarding this plan we have proposed and your thoughts/opinions about it and ultimately help us create an environment where the community may experience the thrill and excitement of playing with their brothers and sisters at Dust514GÇÖs highest level of competition, as we do here in 0uter.Heaven.
Once these districts are made available, our plan right now is sell/redistribute these districts in Almur to able and ready corporations for 50 million ISK (Production Facility/Surface Research) and 65 million ISK (Cargo Hub). This will provide the community with an option to grind a minimum of 90 million ISK to flip a production facility with clones pack (an extra 45 mil for a cargo hub) or to grind out 50 to 65 million ISK to purchase/acquire a district from 0uter.Heaven.
As with all good systems it must first be implemented then maintained, and with these ideas we want to be as transparent as possible to the community in communicating our goal of providing you with Planetary Conquest battles, so please do not hesitate to contact us or reply here with any suggestions or ideas you have to make this concept a reality, help us make it easier for you to experience Planetary Conquest.
PC battles have been exclusive to a very small portion of the player base and itGÇÖs time we changed that.
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:05:00 -
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bunnywink wrote:I am simply not convinced 0.H is trying to help the community "experience planetary conquest" rather than pocket some ISK before passive ISK generation is nerfed.
Look, Bunny, 0.H has never been a rich corp heck I've never been a rich merc, I simply have enough to stock a hundred of all my suits to play PC. The ISK is not important to us, we included these prices in the plan to create incentives for people to want to be involved, giving the community another path other than what CCP has offered us to get into PC, that is what we wish to do.
If 50 to 65 Million ISK is way too much to ask for a district then tell me what is, I want to refrain from simply giving out districts because it goes against what we are trying to accomplish here; We want to incentivize more corporations to experience Planetary Conquest battles. Simple. This idea was put out so that you, the community, can help us achieve that.
As Guy has said before simply giving out districts is not out of the question whatsoever, but we believe that corps who are serious and hungry to play PC would have no problem grinding out such a minuscule amount to obtain a district, whats the point of giving away districts when they are not being used to fight PC battles? By having a price that is large enough to be something a corporation has to work for but small enough for it to be accessible to the entire community we will achieve the goal we have set here
Exactly like you said there is no incentive anymore to hold land so why not open it up and allow the people, who originally never got to experience PC, experience PC.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:16:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Hey look, it's PFC 4.0. :)
Except:
1. We do not plan to dictate who can or cannot be there; we only ask that you play PC battles if you want to participate
2. We will not reacquire districts only to resell them for a large price, in the hopes of making a personal profit
3. We will refrain from interfering too much with the battles that occur in Almur within reason, e.g. if a corp hires ERA under contract to fight then there is no reason why the opposing corp cant hire 0.H to help them, besides that would just create more fights for 0.H which is our number one goal. - Though I agree with Kam Elto, the batphone needs to be disconnected for Almur, teams need to play with their teams against teams of similar experience levels, constant dependence on ringers are more detrimental to the corporation than losing battles and learning from them are.
4. We do not wish to police it to be "the big dogs of MH" we simply want to create an environment where people can play PC without fear of stepping on anyones toes or the threat of being completely destroyed, demoralized and kicked out of PC
Trolls be trolls but understand that I have no ulterior motives, 0.H has been here since the beginning; we've overcome complete and utter adversity and we are one of the very few corps who are able to use a 36mil 120 clone pack going against EVE support and take a district; We do not wish to impose this obstacle on people who want to participate today. The game is at a wounded state at the moment and simply going around and ******* **** up is not what I believe to be the right move, we in 0.H would like to use the resources we have available to help provide content for corporations who have had little to no experience in PC, and would like to.
I do not recognize the current PFC as an effective vehicle for doing this, nor am I concerned of what goes on in that area. We simply want to focus our current efforts on Almur and we believe that this can be done with enough support and participation from the community.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:31:00 -
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And thank you for the support Roman! Help and participation from the community is what we require to make this a reality because in the end if the community doesn't want to participate then there is no point of pursuing this venture.
Let me take this time to point out that 0.H has been and always will be an independent entity, it is unlikely that you will see 0.H in an alliance if its not with our brothers and sisters in Dark Legion, but we would like to maintain this independence because unless we do so then the cycle will continue and there will be no fights to be had. We don't mind being the enemy everyone loves to hate.
We are doing this to ensure that we have fights for 0.H and I.H members this is our true main goal, but we also wish to allow opportunities for other corporations to experience Planetary Conquest.
With that said I look forward to more of the great fights against you and ERA, Roman. Also to the rest of the community please do not hesitate to send attacks to 0.H and train with us, we will not come down upon you and remove you from PC for giving us what we truly want; PC battles.
Please come to us with more ideas and suggestions, challenge us on this because it will be the only way to create something that will truly work, for we have 2 simple goals and 2 goals only;
PC for US
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PC for YOU
The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1863
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Posted - 2014.06.11 13:52:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see.
This is awesome, and exactly what we want.
This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well.
But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1863
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Posted - 2014.06.11 14:20:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:I see no need for PFC 4.0 as long as corps don't try to take huge amounts of districts and when they do just recycle them back to corps that would like to be in PC. people right now are fighting and haveing fun and a lot of the corps that used to hit the batphone are showing up and fighting now wich is refreshing thing to see. This is awesome, and exactly what we want. This idea was put out to simply make districts more available to corporations who want to experience PC and might not have the opportunity to do so, I'm still waiting to see if there is enough interest and support from the community for something like this to be executed well. But as long as districts are being used to fight PC battles then 0.H is happy. if you look at Nyan San right now they are still trying to give away districts and no one outside of PC is trying to take them because pretty much there just is not many new corps out there that can put out a full team.
Yes I'm well aware, and that's too bad I am still hoping that there are corps out there that at least have a tight group of mercs that would want to get their feet we in Planetary Conquest.
But an effort is an effort if there are still corporations out there that are interested in what 0.H is offering please don't hesitate to contact us, again ISK is not an issue; we will give out districts to corps that want to participate and experience PC.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.11 19:25:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:I'm going to have go with the "No" vote on this, guys. Your alliancing with DNS (based off the above thread comments) and recent activities from STB (also under the DNS banner) makes what you are proposing little else than a thinly obscured land grab for DNS. Especially since PFC already exists as a controlled environment to promote growing corps. Especially since every other time this exact same model has been tried the end result has been territory consolidation with "the smaller corps" getting shafted.
Not to tell you guys how to run your show but did you consider just giving territories you possess away, no strings attached aside from you not reattacking them? Sink or swim, the corps you pick learn to live or decide to die? Instead of the same ultimatums with the same marketing MH has been seeing for a year+?
And for the record I respond only since the question was posed to me ("the community") from my individual perspective in the (PC) trenches.
And I thank you for your response, we do want to speak to the entirety of the community so this is exactly the challenges you need to throw at us, but I also want to emphasize more towards those who are not currently active in PC but might have some interest in becoming so.
To clarify again Operator, 0.H is not in any alliance whatsoever, 0.H has been and will always be an independent entity. Roman has merely come to kindly support the idea and I thank him for it, but this doesn't mean 0.H is blueing up to execute a "thinly obscured land grab for DNS", that is a gross misconception. We continue to attack and fight against DNS as well as other corporations currently in PC as we try to set battles daily, PC battles are our only concern.
This is by no means a "land grab", I've already states that the percentage we are at right now in the Almur constellation is the amount we feel we are able to hold as a corporation and thus that is the amount we will continue to hold, we are simply attempting to create better opportunities for corporations to experience PC; We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite.
The trial by fire mentality is more destructive than constructive for smaller corporations especially at the current stage of the game, identify that there are some biases coming from corporations that have been active in PC before and to those who spend most of their time in public contracts with little or negative experiences with Planetary Conquest. Help us figure out a way to remedy these issues.
@ Chance, thats a good way of putting it, especially regarding the justification for not simply giving away districts. Though it is not out of the question.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.11 20:37:00 -
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@ Yoshi perceptions are unique to the eyes that perceive them but I don't want to use this thread to discuss irrelevant past events, and chance stay on topic.
Heimdallr69 wrote:So what you're asking is that we don't attack the districts in this system? Or that we give up the districts in this system?
We would love for Nyain San to consider transferring districts to us to try and distribute to the community or we could perhaps have interested parties contact NS leadership directly or through myself to have them do a direct transfer. Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:17:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:
... We want corporations that previously never had the chance to experience the thrill of PC battles to be able to, with our help. I do not believe that the current PFC is an effective vehicle in providing opportunities to the entire community and those previous models you speak of have failed because the focus was not on enriching the community experience but instead on personal gain, we are trying our best to do the opposite.
But you are selling districts and proposing operational costs, both of which are personally gainful, while affiliating yourselves, your project and its results to DNS whose long stated goals and efforts are to 100% Molden Heath ownership. In a region of MH that is "tactically sound...1 way in", so once the territory there is consolidated it can send a huge number of clones out to the surrounding regions with little threat of retaliation. If OH is interested in enriching the PC-NPE why not get involved with the existing PFC groups who already are established and not producing the sort of combatants you desire? Help them refine the opportunities already "being provided" and serve those who have already come forward to be helped. Any talk of regional control and policing of it, in whatever context, is a land grab. It's ownership by proxy. Just like OH has no alliances but OhNoes to anybody that dares to stage a non-flip attack on DL. No alliances but when an outside entity comes knocking on doors in Almur are they going to get the "OH is independent and has no alliances" memo? No, they are going to face an OH team in district defense mode. Or your allies in it, DNS.
50mil and 65mil were chosen prices because we wanted to provide an additional entry into PC other than 45mil Clone packs, if 0.H making a negligent profit out of this really bothers you that much then help us propose a better way for us to provide better incentives for people to play PC
We are not looking to hold peoples hand and guide them through PC we are looking to provide more opportunities for corporations to build themselves up, a corp focused to heavily on dependence of outside resources is a corp that can not and will not be able to stand on its own.
Dark Legion are part of our family here in 0.H they have helped us through bleak times and it is a no brainer that we help them through theirs, they fight their own battles and we make our resources available at their time of need. 0.H IS an independent corporation as history has proven, we have consistently made it a point to go against whatever current superpower. But as I said before we are now merely interested in providing fights for ourselves and the community.
0.H has no interest in gaining 100% of Molden Heath neither are we concerned with attempting to ally with DNS for this master plan for world domination you speak of, I will not waste the opportunity to fight a good team like ERA for the chance to hold worthless pieces of property, Districts are good for one thing and one thing only; Sending and Receiving PC battles. I fail to see how Roman supporting the idea we have translates to 0.H and DNS blueing up, hopefully it's only a simple misunderstanding. Blueing up means less fights for us, and that goes against our number one goal.
Please refrain from trying to paint us as the bad guys while we are trying to execute what we believe is an achievable goal, if this idea seems too malicious for your tastes then provide us with an alternative idea other than letting corporations sink or swim, I can only imagine how tough it is for corps to try and enter PC at this sad state.
What would it take to prove that our intentions are towards goodwill? Does spending the time to put this document rather than simply fighting to acquire these districts not carry my point across?
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:48:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Either way our goal here is to provide PC battles in this system and ensure that districts are being used as a tool to have PC battles. Well, the districts are already there so that part is done. Corps already have them, so that part is done. PC changes are designed to emphasize fighting vs. owning so that part is done. Only thing that doesn't stand out as complete is getting "new" or "smaller" corps in. Which is something THEY need to take the initiative to do, and as shown by the current map of Molden Heath many already have since there seems to be no shortage of benefactor groups these days. You are becoming allies with DNS for what again?
We are not becoming allies with DNS how are you getting this idea?
We need to get new and smaller corps involved because PC has always been exclusive to a small group of players, there are plenty of other corporations out there that have yet to experience what you hopefully have in CapAq.
If you think that the current state of PC is a successful system then with all due respect you need reevaluate your perception; all I see and all I have seen are the same few people move from corp to corp or ring for smaller corps. There is no opportunity for the player base outside these few groups to experience good and worthwhile PC games.
Heck, CCP hasn't even implemented the proposed changes; PC is filled by the same people there is no injection of new talent there is only integration into existing entities and the recycling of existing talent.
I still see the same names of mercs and corps that I've been fighting since uprising 1.0, from the perspective of a player that has played thousands of PC games ever since it was first introduced I fail to understand your perspective.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:14:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:i don't think there is 55 corps out there right now that want in but i could be wrong.
This is a fear I have as well. If this is true then perhaps we should just focus on trying to have good fights between the current corps in Molden Heath.
But I will continue to think that there are still corporations out there that haven't been given the opportunity to experience the thrill of fighting alongside 16 of your trusted brothers and sisters against an equally dedicated team of 16, both sporting their best Sunday Dresses.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you wish to experience Planetary Conquest in Dust514 and I will do what I can to make that possible.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:19:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:WE all ( most of us) really just want fights, especially good fights. And WE can get them without creating a situation that enables abuse or entrenches conditions which later serve the malicious.
YOU are Capital Acquisitions, a corporation I have had the extreme pleasure of fighting, one that brings 16 of their most vicious to test every strategy that I devise. I still remember those amazing ScR duels between Vin Vicious and I, the only two at the time running Amarr Assaults in PC.
YOU have been here, YOU are here and YOU are tough, but this idea is not for you.
This is for people who haven't been able to experience PC
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.11 23:12:00 -
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This is not a discussion about past events. Chance stop replying to this thread unless you have anything constructive to say about the topic. Yoshi please respect my wish to stay on topic by not replying to chance about this, consider this tangent ended.
With that said keep the discussion going guys.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:57:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:my perspective stems from my year as an independent and the last few months with a PC/DNS active corp. I see red flags, I point them out.
And we come from the perspective of fighting against big superpowers, including DNS, ever sine 0.Hs conception. We are well aware of the dangers but we feel this is something that we can achieve.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.14 21:21:00 -
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CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Will the people who play in the Almur system be allowed to have districts outside of the Almur system also
If they are able to take and hold districts outside of Almur then they obviously do not need to be in the environment that we are trying to set up. Perhaps they could pass it on to a newer corp that needs it or if they've started acquiring more districts in and outside of Almur then maybe they're ready to face 0.H and train at a higher level. Basically the idea is if you are able to perform outside of the safe environment we are trying to provide then you should consider venturing off of Almur and into the less safe environments with the rest of the PC experienced corps.
CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Or is it ONLY for corps that no other stakes elsewhere in PC
We would like to emphasize providing districts in Almur to those who have no stake in PC but we are not looking to kick anyone out of it either, as long as fights are happening and newer corps have an easy way of entering PC through 0.H and Almur then we're golden
CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Also say, in the future, these Corps grow in size and power, how will they be able to flourish onto more districts?
I encourage them to attack districts outside of Almur and acquire some, if they grow big and strong enough maybe they'll be able to provide good fights for 0.H. This will naturally be a case by case basis but rest assured that we are sticking to the goal of ensuring PC fights are bountiful and entrance is non-exclusive.
CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Will they be allowed to own more districts in Almur or let out to have to use districts elsewhere?
Again case by case, if you are strong we encourage you to test your strength outside of Almur and allow smaller and less experienced corporations to make use of the vacant slot in Almur
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.14 22:58:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur
Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.15 00:00:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Tiberius have you been able to talk to anyone in NS about this?? Im only asking because i believe the district OH attacked was in Almur Yup had a talk with Brutal last week but he hasn't gotten back to me yet, last thing he said was he was going to try and bring it up to the powers that be in Nyain San, I've already explained the idea to him. Oh ok i haven't seen Brutal on this week so i see what i can find out
Roger that o7
@ Sota, no bullying just searching for good fights. A lot of big names that used to give me a lot of trouble :3 Nats doing a good job tho I think.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.15 00:10:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama
0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else.
But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.15 00:22:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Long Evity wrote:we're not like OH who'd deny peoples application based on forum drama or any kind of drama 0.H is 40% skill and 60% family, we look for particular types of players; those who share the 0.H mentality. But everyone is free to join our community and apply to I.H and play PC with us, get to know our family and you'll understand why chemistry between players trump all else. But this is no recruitment post, lets keep it on topic. Cheers Sota o/ And what exactly is the OH mentality? And why would I join I.H. if you denied me entry into O.H?
It encompasses many different aspects of a players personality, we can only find out by playing together. We're not denying entry on the contrary I.H is an open door for those who want to be a part of our family. We have a collective 0.H/I.H corp chat and we play PCs and Pub together, only the tags are different, we reserve the 0.H tag for those who are serious about representing the 0.H name and have become part of our tight knit family.
PC is very important for 0uter.Heaven and those who carry the tags carry a lot more weight and responsibility regarding showing up and playing the PC battles, I.H provides a more casual environment where I.H members can pub and train with us but also experience PC with us.
It's a nice system and it works very well :)
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.06.15 17:37:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:If there is a district somewhere for the bandejitos, they attacked us 3 times in the last week, they are a starter corp loose everytime but they seem to got the spirit to fight...
If they contact me I can do my best to get them a district.
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Posted - 2014.06.23 08:18:00 -
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We've acquired 9 districts from Nyain San tonight and we're expecting another 5 or so at a later date so keep sending us those mails if you and your corporation are interested in experiencing Planetary Conquest.
Contact Rexero for district sale and transfers. o7
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