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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:43:00 -
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For a while now I have wanted to compile a list of what dropsuits and infantry weapons players buy the most and therefore are used the most in Dust. Ironically this information is only available through the EVE Online market system.
So today I finally decided to log into EVE and access Dust items on the market and see what I could learn. Needless to say some of the results surprised me in a few areas.
The market data in EVE is pretty daunting as you can review market history up to a year. Originally I was going to do a three month comparison but quickly realized that it might take me three months to compile all of that data. The 30-day history also proved to be too much data for me to organize just to please my curiosity.
So I decided to use the 10-day history. I realize this is not a large period of time, however, this still indicates what players are buying most and the past 10 days included an accelerated SP event so more players were probably active during this time frame.
I decided to only compare ADV and PRO level gear as these are the levels players actually invested SP into and it would shorten the amount of work I had to do by leaving out militia and basic gear. I also need to point out the EVE market does not track officer gear, BPO gear, LP or Aurum items. The market only tracks items that can be purchased in game with ISK. So while this could skew the results some, I donGÇÖt think players are spending LP or AUR much differently than players are spending ISK.
I also understand that market data information can sometimes be subjective because itGÇÖs not a list of items actually used but items bought. Some could say certain suits with certain weapons die less often thus incur less market activity. Unfortunately market data is the only information players have to go off of so letGÇÖs just leave it at that.
Lastly, I want to point out that with all the different weapons and dropsuits I included in this breakdown, there were a ton of numbers. I did my very best to double check all of the results but there is still a possibility a few numbers could be inaccurate, however, I do believe this information is accurate and shows what players bought and used the most during the 10-day period of May 26 -June 4
I will first list the condensed version of the information I gathered and then will place a more detailed list of each item at the end.
Between May 26 and June 4, players bought the following amount of ADV and PRO gear. Percentages listed are the portion of total items purchased within each category.
Dropsuits
Scouts GÇô 63,751 (37.6%)
Logi GÇô 38,569 (22.8%)
Sentinel GÇô 32,532 (19.2%)
Assaults GÇô 25,210 (14.9%)
Commando GÇô 9,239 (5.5%)
Heavy Weapons
Heavy Machine Guns GÇô 57,869 (84.2%)
Forge Guns GÇô 10,870 (15.8%)
Light Weapons GÇô I truly expected Combat Rifles to be the number one Light weapon since I seem to die to them all the time, however, the Rail Rifle is still bought more often. Even HMGs were bought more frequently than the CR. But as a scout I tend to fight other scouts most often, many of which use CRs. I also tend to avoid heavies and their death dealing HMGs. So this is one way a players experience can skew their perspective on what weapon/dropsuit is used more often.
Rail Rifle GÇô 60,581 (24.7%)
Combat Rifle GÇô 54,285 (22.2%)
Assault Rifle GÇô 38,600 (15.8%)
Shotguns GÇô 28,675 (11.7%)
Scrambler Rifle GÇô 18,169 (7.4%)
Sniper Rifle GÇô 17,537 (7.2%)
Swarm Launcher GÇô 13,723 (5.6%)
Mass Driver GÇô 8,398 (3.4%)
Laser Rifle GÇô 3,953 (1.6%)
Plasma Cannon GÇô 1,070 (0.4%)
Sidearms GÇô This category is so dominated by the SMG I did not complete a full comparison of each sidearm. Instead I did a simple comparison of the highest single day sales volume during the past 10 days. Even if I did a full 10-day comparison the results would still be the same. The SMG is king of sidearms and I donGÇÖt think that surprises anyone. I love my subby. (Because I did not complete a full comparison of sidearms there is not a full item breakdown at the bottom. This is the only information I will provide on sidearms.)
SMG GÇô 5,922 (54.6%)
Magsec GÇô 1,563 (14.4%)
Scrambler Pistol GÇô 1,421 (13.1%)
Nova Knives GÇô 916 (8.4%)
Flaylock GÇô 441 (4.1%)
Bolt Pistol GÇô 390 (3.6%)
Ion Pistol GÇô 193 (1.8%)
Armor vs. Shield
I expected armor plates to be used much more than shield extenders; however, they were almost even. I believe this is probably because the usefulness of damage modifiers has been reduced and more players are dual tanking as a result. Before 1.8 I am sure the armor plates would have drastically outsold shield extenders.
Armor Plates
Basic plate GÇô 112,041
Enhanced plate GÇô 141,041
Complex plate GÇô 60,028
Shield Extenders
Basic Shield Extender GÇô 100,781
Enhanced Shield Extender GÇô 87,281
Complex Shield Extender GÇô 125,890
Combined Armor and Shield total
Shield GÇô 313,952 (50.1%)
Armor GÇô 313,200 (49.9%)
This concludes the condensed version of the information. Below is a full breakdown of the dropsuit and weapons data I collected.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
655
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:43:00 -
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Dropsuit Breakdown per class and race
ADV Scout
C/1 Series GÇô 24,704 (49.7%)
G/1 Series GÇô 18,123 (36.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 4,270 (8.6%)
A/1 Series GÇô 2,634 (5.2%)
PRO Scout
Ck.0 GÇô 6,887 (49.1%)
Gk.0 GÇô 5,782 (41.3%)
Mk.0 GÇô 929 (6.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 422 (3%)
ADV Assault
C/1 Series GÇô 14,145 (69.1%)
G/1 Series GÇô 2,567 (12.5%)
A/1 Series GÇô 2,531 (12.4%)
M/1 Series GÇô 1,220 (6%)
PRO Assault
Ck.0 GÇô 3,523 (74.2%)
Ak.0 GÇô 835 (17.6%)
Gk.0 GÇô 227 (5%)
Mk.0 GÇô 162 (3.2%)
ADV Logi
C/1 Series GÇô 12,969 (41.2%)
M/1 Series GÇô 7.237 (23%)
A/1 Series GÇô 6,921 (22%)
G/1 Series GÇô 4,362 (13.8%)
PRO Logi
Ck.0 GÇô 2,484 (35.1%)
Mk.0 GÇô 2,056 (29.1%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,575 (22.2%)
Ak.0 GÇô 965 (13.6%)
ADV Commando
C/1 Series GÇô 4,575 (55%)
A/1 Series GÇô 1,608 (19.3%)
M/1 Series GÇô 1,299 (15.5%)
G/1 Series GÇô 849 (10.2%)
PRO Commando
Ck.0 - 350 (38.4%)
Gk.0 GÇô 247 (27.1%)
Ak.0 GÇô 197 (21.6%)
Mk.0 GÇô 117 (12.9%)
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
Complete Weapon Breakdown (in order of most used)
Rail Rifle
SB-39 GÇô 40,409 (66.7%)
Kaalakiota GÇô 9,523 (15.7%)
SL-4 Assault GÇô 9,104 (15%)
Ishukone Assault GÇô 1,545 (2.6%)
Heavy Machine Gun
MH-82 GÇô 40,533 (70%)
Boundless GÇô 11,946 (20.7%)
MLR-A Burst GÇô 2,221 (3.9%)
Six Kin Burst GÇô 1,430 (2.5%)
MO-4 Assault GÇô 1,295 (2.2%)
Freedom Assault GÇô 444 (0.7%)
Combat Rifle
BK-42 GÇô 25,725 (47.4%)
RS-90 GÇô 19,074 (35.1%)
Six Kin Assault GÇô 5,779 (10.6%)
Boundless CR GÇô 3,707 (6.9%)
Assault Rifle
GEK-38 GÇô 26,204 (67.8%)
Duvolle GÇô 4,350 (11.3%)
GB-9 Breach GÇô 2,831 (7.3%)
GLU-5 Tac GÇô 2,812 (7.3%)
GK-13 Burst GÇô 1,193 (3.1%)
Creodron Breach GÇô 538 (1.4%)
Duvolle Tac GÇô 496 (1.3%)
Allotek Burst GÇô 176 (0.5%)
Shotguns
CRG-3 GÇô 17,796 (62.1%)
K5 Specialist GÇô 5,836 (20.3%)
Creodron GÇô 2,269 (7.9%)
KR-17 Breach GÇô 1,327 (4.6%)
Duvolle Specialist GÇô 1,319 (4.5%)
Allotek Break GÇô 128 (0.6%)
Scrambler Rifle
CRW-04 GÇô 9,763 (53.7%)
CRD-9 Assault GÇô 4,340 (23.9%)
Viziam GÇô 3,381 (18.7%)
Carthum Assault GÇô 685 (3.7%)
Sniper Rifle GÇô This is probably the least accurate as far as items bought vs. items used since the Thales is used so often and there is no way to track Thales.
NT-511 GÇô 8,643 (49.3%)
Charge GÇô 3,348 (19.1%)
C15-A Tac GÇô 1,916 (10.9%)
Ishukone GÇô 1,872 (10.7%)
Kaalakiota GÇô 1,758 (10%)
Swarm Launcher
CBR7 GÇô 7,133 (52%)
Wiyrkomi GÇô 4,589 (33.4%)
CBR-112 Specialist GÇô 930 (6.7%)
Ishukone Assault GÇô 427 (3.1%)
Wirykomi Specialist GÇô 366 (2.6%)
CFG-129 Assault GÇô 278 (2%)
Forge Guns
9K330 GÇô 3,915 (36%)
Ishukone Assault GÇô 2,368 (21.8%)
DAU-2 Assault GÇô 2,228 (20.5%)
Kaalakiota GÇô 1,501 (13.8%)
Wiyrkomi GÇô 539 (5%)
DCMA GÇô 319 (2.9%)
Mass Driver
EX0-5 GÇô 6,436 (76.6%)
EC-3 Assault GÇô 1,211 (14.4%)
Freedom GÇô 353 (4.2%)
Boundless Assault GÇô 186 (2.2%)
Core Breach GÇô 114 (1.4%)
EK-A2 Breach GÇô 98 (1.2%)
Laser Rifle
ELM-7 GÇô 3,397 (86%)
Viziam GÇô 556 (14%)
Plasma Canon
KLA-90 GÇô 908 (85%)
Allotek GÇô 162 (15%)
I might do another thread like this after the next accelerated SP event to see how much Alpha Hotfix changes playerGÇÖs choices, but then again this took a bit of time so I might not.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3618
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:33:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:
Armor Plates
Basic plate GÇô 112,041
Enhanced plate GÇô 141,041
Complex plate GÇô 60,028
Shield Extenders
Basic Shield Extender GÇô 100,781
Enhanced Shield Extender GÇô 87,281
Complex Shield Extender GÇô 125,890
When comparing Armor and Shields you can see where Complex Shield Extenders are significantly better than Basic Shield Extenders while Basic are cheaper, where as with Armor the high HP of the Basic, coupled with the increasing movement penalty makes the Complex Armour Plate only better in certain conditions. That is, there are suits such as Scout suits where you would not use a Complex Plate, while with a Sentinel you would.
It is interesting to see such antidotal analysis actually bared out by the numbers.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4701
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:34:00 -
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Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up
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Man of Spade
Nos Nothi
259
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:36:00 -
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I think those 193 Ion pistols were all me, sorry to skew your results.
Totally not Spademan.
That guy is a real jackass.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3618
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:38:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel. 
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5873
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:41:00 -
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I bought 200 Creodron IP
300 TT-12 Ion Pistols
400 Ion Pistols when they were first released
and restocked some of each since then.
I wasn't expecting CCP to actually make a good Gallente weapon so I wasn't that disappointed..
DUST 514 (The 514 stands for the server ping)
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
659
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:59:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel.
I was surprised to see the Caldari have the most bought suit in every category. I did not expect that.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:52:00 -
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I changed thread name to better explain subject.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Lynn Beck
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
1709
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:08:00 -
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The low commando numbers coult be in part t the commando event, as i am still spamming Neo Mk.0's and have yet to go under 100.
Note that i was given 360-ish
Anyways, thanks for dealing with thr headache that is spreadsheets.
General John Ripper
Like ALL the things!!!
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2672
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:48:00 -
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Caldari is winning in everything except for sidearms.... |
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
2179
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:56:00 -
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I hope this didn't take an incredible amount of time because this is all pretty much auto-generated daily, including consumption, in our data warehouse.
I will and have made it a priority to share more data, if you noticed I have been seeding some of the data in the Feedback threads, for the first time I believe.
One thing to be aware of, is of course that you have had to make choices in data selection (only adv and pro), and we have the ability to slice the data based on behavioral segmentation. What I am saying, is that there is a correlation between most sold on the market and "power" but it doesn't tell the full story.
Good job though and I would love to see some further analysis/insights.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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THUNDERGROOVE
The Last of DusT.
897
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:10:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:
PRO Scout
Ak.0 GÇô 422 (3%)
Aisha Ctarl wrote:Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up
B-b-but...
WE ARE THE THREE PERCENT!
>Team quota reached
Darnit I have to wait for one of the blueberry shit LAVs to get blown up:(
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14129
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:14:00 -
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This is great stuff.
...
It depresses me greatly that I am personally responsible for a significant percentage of all ion pistol purchases in the last 10 days.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
1314
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:16:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Caldari is winning in everything except for sidearms....
And heavy weapons. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
975
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:22:00 -
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What we can clearly sse is a noticeable dominance in caldari suits. In nearly all areas they the most sold and I guess there fore the most used suits...this coming close to what I experience on the battlefied.
The only part that really surprises me is the caldari heavy beeing dominant as well this is where my battle experience differ as I always got the feeling to encounter more gal sents...
This also shows that RR and CR are still vastly dominating the field whereas the SG is by far less dominant as some forum post and threads seem to suggest. This is quite interesting stuff. I wish I could give you more than on +1
Oh wait I can :) |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
975
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:This is great stuff.
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It depresses me greatly that I am personally responsible for a significant percentage of all ion pistol purchases in the last 10 days.
I have bought some creodens as well It seems the only viable option among them (but is still somewhat terrible but I simply love the design) |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14129
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:44:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:This is great stuff.
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It depresses me greatly that I am personally responsible for a significant percentage of all ion pistol purchases in the last 10 days. I have bought some creodens as well It seems the only viable option among them (but is still somewhat terrible but I simply love the design)
I like the corporation CreoDron.
That's pretty much why I buy the proto ones.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
1314
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:47:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:This also shows that RR and CR are still vastly dominating the field whereas the SG is by far less dominant as some forum post and threads seem to suggest.
First of all, it only shows that CR and RR are common, not dominant.
And second, SG has around half as many purchases as each of CR and RR. Given that SGs are rare on anything other than scouts, and scouts are only 37% of total suit purchases, SG may be the most common weapon on the class that actually uses it (scout). |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1479
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:57:00 -
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looks like I used most of all the commandos and PLC with my alt 
and no wonder SMG dominates the sidearms sales. it has almost light weapon dps, it has light weapon fitting requirements and some people (like me) use them as primary weapons. |
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
975
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:08:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:This also shows that RR and CR are still vastly dominating the field whereas the SG is by far less dominant as some forum post and threads seem to suggest. First of all, it only shows that CR and RR are common, not dominant. And second, SG has around half as many purchases as each of CR and RR. Given that SGs are rare on anything other than scouts, and scouts are only 37% of total suit purchases, SG may be the most common weapon on the class that actually uses it (scout).
Well I would call roughly 47% of ALL weapon purchases dominant...and SG are less dominant than the AR and only by a relatively small margin more bought than Scramblers...
But in one point you are right RR and CR are not as dominant for light weapons as the SG is for sidearms...
SG may be dominant on scouts but they are rather common among heavies and assaults as well. Just like the CR/ACR is quite common among scouts... |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
1314
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:24:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:This also shows that RR and CR are still vastly dominating the field whereas the SG is by far less dominant as some forum post and threads seem to suggest. First of all, it only shows that CR and RR are common, not dominant. And second, SG has around half as many purchases as each of CR and RR. Given that SGs are rare on anything other than scouts, and scouts are only 37% of total suit purchases, SG may be the most common weapon on the class that actually uses it (scout). Well I would call roughly 47% of ALL weapon purchases dominant...and SG are less dominant than the AR and only by a relatively small margin more bought than Scramblers... SG may be dominant on scouts but they are rather common among heavies and assaults as well. Just like the CR/ACR is quite common among scouts...
I meant 'not dominant' in the sense of not dominant in effectiveness, which as Rattatti pointed out, these stats don't tell us anything about. In most cases I find a RR user quite an easy kill, for instance. Lots of them just means lots of easy kills.
I have seen the odd SG on heavies and assaults but I really wouldn't say it's common. It's the kind of thing you'd laugh at on coms, which would get old if they were in every game like SG scouts or HMG heavies are. |
DERP33
Glitched Connection
9
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Posted - 2014.06.06 09:50:00 -
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Man of Spade wrote:I think those 193 Ion pistols were all me, sorry to skew your results.
nah i bought a ton aswell |
Cogadh Draco
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
26
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:16:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel. I was surprised to see the Caldari have the most bought suit in every category. I did not expect that.
The reason Caldari Sentinel heavies are bought is because most will stack damage mods on 'em rather than shield based mods. I have been taken out by advanced even standard Caldari heavies vs my proto Gallante heavy because all they have to do is deck out their suit with damage mods... I'm considering skilling into Caldari heavies just to do the same... |
Vaux Karn
The Mercenary Collective
95
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Posted - 2014.06.06 10:33:00 -
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150 of the DCMA FGs were bought by me, probably half of the bolt pistols, and I can guarantee you that I skewed the sniper tallies since I stockpiled 4k charge snipers back before the price adjustment and only buy tactical occasionally now. On a side note, am I the only one who still uses flaylocks? I know they suck more kitten than the **** industry, but they are occasionally still useful for AV.
Edit: I only ask about the flaylock because there is a good chance that I bought every single one of those, but it is hard to keep track of that POS. |
Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
309
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:00:00 -
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And there is the final truth, people complaining about the combat rifle are basically the one using the rail rifle, debuff the rail rifle once and for all please ! Or at least dont allow it to be used in close quarter combat, to my dismay my commando due to its large hitbox gets killed by scouts using this cause they straff too quickly ! The combo of the two is really raging !
And it support my theory i keep saying to my corp member that i always get killed with a sb 39... I would like to see the global kdr of those respective weapons if they are available to further the point ! |
Gaius Calinus
Incarnation Soldiers
Die Fremdenlegion
10
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:06:00 -
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Cogadh Draco wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel. I was surprised to see the Caldari have the most bought suit in every category. I did not expect that. The reason Caldari Sentinel heavies are bought is because most will stack damage mods on 'em rather than shield based mods. I have been taken out by advanced even standard Caldari heavies vs my proto Gallante heavy because all they have to do is deck out their suit with damage mods... Pretty stupid to be beaten(barely) by a git that uses damage mod stacking for crutches rather than actually making it a challenge... I'm considering skilling into Caldari heavies just to do the same...
Maybe... maybe not...
One of the reasons for Caldari beeing the most bought (each kind of suit) is also because the clones wearing Caldari gear are the most killed...
You wouldn't buy anything you still have enough on stock, would you?
IMPOV these stats show only that the victims are mostly the caldari among us... These die most of the time so they also need to buy more often to fill up their stock... Further, this also shows that the Caldari gear, basically the suits, are quite the weakest...
But this is only my oppinion... 
Hail Caldari !!
Hail to the Caldari State !!!
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
977
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:10:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:This also shows that RR and CR are still vastly dominating the field whereas the SG is by far less dominant as some forum post and threads seem to suggest. First of all, it only shows that CR and RR are common, not dominant. And second, SG has around half as many purchases as each of CR and RR. Given that SGs are rare on anything other than scouts, and scouts are only 37% of total suit purchases, SG may be the most common weapon on the class that actually uses it (scout). Well I would call roughly 47% of ALL weapon purchases dominant...and SG are less dominant than the AR and only by a relatively small margin more bought than Scramblers... SG may be dominant on scouts but they are rather common among heavies and assaults as well. Just like the CR/ACR is quite common among scouts... I meant 'not dominant' in the sense of not dominant in effectiveness, which as Rattatti pointed out, these stats don't tell us anything about. In most cases I find a RR user quite an easy kill, for instance. Lots of them just means lots of easy kills. I have seen the odd SG on heavies and assaults but I really wouldn't say it's common. It's the kind of thing you'd laugh at on coms, which would get old if they were in every game like SG scouts or HMG heavies are.
Effectiveness is hard to judge on game experience as it depends on the player you up against. So I have killed quite some RR users with ease while at the same time getting lots of kills with it. In some situation even more than with the CR.
There are some factors you can express or put in numbers. So I work with what I get and the more statistics CCP or some else will release the clearer the picture will be for all of us.
So but based on the numbers both weapons are quite powerful (if not the most powerful rifles out now) and by the numbers provided here this is also reflected... |
Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
669
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I hope this didn't take an incredible amount of time because this is all pretty much auto-generated daily, including consumption, in our data warehouse.
I will and have made it a priority to share more data, if you noticed I have been seeding some of the data in the Feedback threads, for the first time I believe.
One thing to be aware of, is of course that you have had to make choices in data selection (only adv and pro), and we have the ability to slice the data based on behavioral segmentation. What I am saying, is that there is a correlation between most sold on the market and "power" but it doesn't tell the full story.
Good job though and I would love to see some further analysis/insights.
Thank you CCP Rattati.
I know the market data can be subjective as far as what is used versus what is bought. At first I wasn't going to do the research because of this fact, but I figured the data still gives us an idea of what players are using most even if that data doesn't provide context for what suits and weapons provide the most survivability.
I know there are times when I'm in the zone and I can play several games in a row with only a few deaths. So I am not buying replacements nearly as much as when I die alot when I'm not in the zone.
I know on the EVE side CCP releases the reports showing item usage and kills by ship and by weapon. Maybe if something like that was produced for Dust it could provide a better gauge of what players are killing with.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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XxGhazbaranxX
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1429
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:30:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:
Plasma Cannon GÇô 1,070 (0.4%)
Hahah I think I have contributed a lot to this number since I use the Plasma Cannon every day. Just today I think I might have lost at least 20 or 30 Plasma Cannon so if you multiply that by ten you get about 200 to 300 Plasma Cannon bought by me.
I guess I use up about 18 to 28% of all plasma cannon bought. Fist bump to all the hardcore PLC users lets get that number higher.
EDIT noticed It said ADV and PROTO so number goes down to about 10 to 20... still a big chunk though :S
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Dust 514 Survivor
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4708
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Posted - 2014.06.06 11:42:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
PRO Scout
Ak.0 GÇô 422 (3%)
Aisha Ctarl wrote:Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up B-b-but... WE ARE THE THREE PERCENT!
I still remember the wtf mail I got from killing someone in the scout ak.0
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
23
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Posted - 2014.06.06 12:12:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel.
Speed Heavy FTW
"I don't even know anymore"
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IgniteableAura
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
1204
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Posted - 2014.06.06 20:53:00 -
[33] - Quote
Reeeallllly hate to burst your bubble but
http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
Youtube
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
The East India Co.
4109
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Posted - 2014.06.06 20:56:00 -
[34] - Quote
What's the number on standard plasma cannons 
Do you even Plasma Cannon Bro?
I'll ring for free(Slayer Heavy and Assault)
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THUNDERGROOVE
The Last of DusT.
898
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:08:00 -
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Cogadh Draco wrote:
The reason Caldari Sentinel heavies are bought is because most will stack damage mods on 'em rather than shield based mods. I have been taken out by advanced even standard Caldari heavies vs my proto Gallante heavy because all they have to do is deck out their suit with damage mods... Pretty stupid to be beaten(barely) by a git that uses damage mod stacking for crutches rather than actually making it a challenge...
I'm considering skilling into Caldari heavies just to do the same...
If you really think damage mod stacking is a "crutch" then I don't know what to say about your brick tanked heavy suit. Get good, enjoy dying to suits with half your HP because you're bad.
>Team quota reached
Darnit I have to wait for one of the blueberry shit LAVs to get blown up:(
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14155
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:16:00 -
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Vaux Karn wrote:I can guarantee you that I skewed the sniper tallies since I stockpiled 4k charge snipers back before the price adjustment
This would have had no effect on the stats because they're for the last 10 days.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
984
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Posted - 2014.06.07 12:12:00 -
[37] - Quote
IgniteableAura wrote:Reeeallllly hate to burst your bubble but there is this handy tool made....it doesn't give you numbers, but graphs are more pretty. http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.phpAlso purchased items does not mean most used, only that its getting purchased. One could say its the worse to use because its needing to be purchased more frequently aka the person using it dies and needs to restock. Example, Amarr logi as used almost solely for spawn suits and spamming uplinks, then switching to a different suit to provide a role. Therefore they almost never die in combat and never get restocked.
In theory you are right this could have an effect but in general people will use what they are comfortable with and they WILL die in these suits so they need to restock them...not everyone can go 26-0 every game  |
Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1526
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:31:00 -
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i can personally be held responsible for 500 of those laser rifles lol i wonder who else decided to buy my baby in those ten days...i thought i was the only lr user left |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3303
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:01:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up
The Amarr scout could be dying the least, therefore not needing to restock its supplies as often.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14182
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:05:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up The Amarr scout could be dying the least, therefore not needing to restock its supplies as often.
Let's not pretend this is actually the case, though.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:22:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Amarr Scout is terrible
CONFIRMED, the data backs it up
Or most of us just don't like slave owning, religious fanatics, with heads that look like boats.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
3122
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:31:00 -
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It kind of surprises me that Caldari is #1 most purchased in every single dropsuit class.
Makes you wonder... is it because Caldari just die more often or are they truly the most popular class in our currently armor based meta?
I almost question the results when I see that Caldari Assault is the most popular... it literally has the absolute worst bonuses for the assault (maybe worst bonus of all suits that currently exist tbh) and yet its the most popular by a fairly large margin?
Edit: just noticed this is a bit of thread necromancy by the post above me... but it wasn't that long ago... wonder if these results still hold true 4 weeks later... |
aaaasdff ertgfdd
123
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:It kind of surprises me that Caldari is #1 most purchased in every single dropsuit class.
Makes you wonder... is it because Caldari just die more often or are they truly the most popular class in our currently armor based meta?
I almost question the results when I see that Caldari Assault is the most popular... it literally has the absolute worst bonuses for the assault (maybe worst bonus of all suits that currently exist tbh) and yet its the most popular by a fairly large margin?
Because thats what people had from back in the day, and its the only frontline suit forever. People got Caldari before anything else. And it looks the most like MasterChief.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
123
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:35:00 -
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DERP33 wrote:Man of Spade wrote:I think those 193 Ion pistols were all me, sorry to skew your results. nah i bought a ton aswell
You realize you would have had to make your purchase during the 10 days he did his analysis of right? Not just at any time.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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Apocalyptic Destroyer
RestlessSpirits
11
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:47:00 -
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I notice that the stuff bought the least is the stuff I get killed by 24/7 . By the way, the Galmando is so underestimated, try putting an Assault rifle on it people.
~R1P
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
3123
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:53:00 -
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aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:It kind of surprises me that Caldari is #1 most purchased in every single dropsuit class.
Makes you wonder... is it because Caldari just die more often or are they truly the most popular class in our currently armor based meta?
I almost question the results when I see that Caldari Assault is the most popular... it literally has the absolute worst bonuses for the assault (maybe worst bonus of all suits that currently exist tbh) and yet its the most popular by a fairly large margin? Because thats what people had from back in the day, and its the only frontline suit forever. People got Caldari before anything else. And it looks the most like MasterChief.
You don't buy Frontline suits though right? This is all market purchase data?
The Armor meta is more than 4 weeks old... and its after the 1.8 dropsuit respec so I suspect these results haven't changed too much.
Which makes me wonder why the most underpowered set of suits in an armor based meta is making up almost 3/4's of the suits purchased in some of these categories... my only conclusion would be that these are the suits that are dying the most and not necessarily the suits being used the most. |
aaaasdff ertgfdd
125
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Posted - 2014.07.13 17:57:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:It kind of surprises me that Caldari is #1 most purchased in every single dropsuit class.
Makes you wonder... is it because Caldari just die more often or are they truly the most popular class in our currently armor based meta?
I almost question the results when I see that Caldari Assault is the most popular... it literally has the absolute worst bonuses for the assault (maybe worst bonus of all suits that currently exist tbh) and yet its the most popular by a fairly large margin? Because thats what people had from back in the day, and its the only frontline suit forever. People got Caldari before anything else. And it looks the most like MasterChief. You don't buy Frontline suits though right? This is all market purchase data? The Armor meta is more than 4 weeks old... and its after the 1.8 dropsuit respec so I suspect these results haven't changed too much. Which makes me wonder why the most underpowered set of suits in an armor based meta is making up almost 3/4's of the suits purchased in some of these categories...
Yes but thats not what I meant. Im saying that used to all there was, was Caldari, and thats one reason its so popular. You first start playing, you had a frontline suit that was caldari, so now its time to spec a suit you skill caldari, and then you buy what you skill. I own all the cal suits and thats why.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
126
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Posted - 2014.07.13 18:01:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:It kind of surprises me that Caldari is #1 most purchased in every single dropsuit class.
Makes you wonder... is it because Caldari just die more often or are they truly the most popular class in our currently armor based meta?
I almost question the results when I see that Caldari Assault is the most popular... it literally has the absolute worst bonuses for the assault (maybe worst bonus of all suits that currently exist tbh) and yet its the most popular by a fairly large margin? Because thats what people had from back in the day, and its the only frontline suit forever. People got Caldari before anything else. And it looks the most like MasterChief. You don't buy Frontline suits though right? This is all market purchase data? The Armor meta is more than 4 weeks old... and its after the 1.8 dropsuit respec so I suspect these results haven't changed too much. Which makes me wonder why the most underpowered set of suits in an armor based meta is making up almost 3/4's of the suits purchased in some of these categories... my only conclusion would be that these are the suits that are dying the most and not necessarily the suits being used the most.
Id say that is entirely plausible. Ill bet ccp rat has the data about what is dying the most. But even that can be misinterpreted. Just because you are dying the most could mean you are playing the most. We would need at least 3 key sets of data to say the truth about how good or bad something is.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/
Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/
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Louis Domi
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
521
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Posted - 2014.07.13 18:07:00 -
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Did I buy most of those bolt pistols? |
Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
145
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Posted - 2014.07.13 18:56:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
ADV Sentinel
C/1 Series GÇô 10,982 (39.1%)
A/1 Series GÇô 9,328 (33.2%)
G/1 Series GÇô 6,896 (24.5%)
M/1 Series GÇô 882 (3.2%)
PRO Sentinel
Ck.0 GÇô 1,742 (39.2%)
Gk.0 GÇô 1,582 (35.6%)
Ak.0 GÇô 1,032 (23.2%)
Mk.0 GÇô 88 (2%)
I am a little surprised to see Caldari Sentinel on top. I expected Amour and Galente to be ahead of it. These numbers do make me proud of the fact that I often run Minmatar Sentinel. I was surprised to see the Caldari have the most bought suit in every category. I did not expect that.
I think this is probably a reflection of them being easier to kill. the same player having to keep restocking would push up the buying figures |
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scuba678
the.R3D.kings
137
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Posted - 2014.07.13 19:02:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:
Armor Plates
Basic plate GÇô 112,041
Enhanced plate GÇô 141,041
Complex plate GÇô 60,028
Shield Extenders
Basic Shield Extender GÇô 100,781
Enhanced Shield Extender GÇô 87,281
Complex Shield Extender GÇô 125,890
When comparing Armor and Shields you can see where Complex Shield Extenders are significantly better than Basic Shield Extenders while Basic are cheaper, where as with Armor the high HP of the Basic, coupled with the increasing movement penalty makes the Complex Armour Plate only better in certain conditions. That is, there are suits such as Scout suits where you would not use a Complex Plate, while with a Sentinel you would. It is interesting to see such antidotal analysis actually bared out by the numbers.
Such a cool post and discussion ! |
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