someone explain to me how they intend to capitalize on increased magazine sizes for laser weapons. those weapons are limited by heat, not their magazines. a useless bonus.

and other weapons are balanced because they small magazine sizes. you would imbalance some weapon liks the ARR and ACR.

the other issue with focusing on suppression is that nobody gets kills for that role. people want to kill their enemy not scare them lol.

and idk how many times ive said it, but running dual weapon setups IS a suppression fit. its double ammo for the weapon. laser weapons can be swapped before they over heat so that you can fire indefinitely. i dont not need a bonus for something i can do already.

Assaults would kill with high damage. They hit hard, but have to aim well in order to kill.

Commandos would kill with volume of fires. They would spray an area, and hope that enough shots hit the target in order to kill it.

Both slay, both use two different methods. This is imbalanced?

As far as your Smart commando complaints, the ScR would not benefit, but the AScR would certainly benefit. As it stands, you can not quite overheat in a full magazine, so the Amarr Assault would utilize the regular scrambler better, and the commando wuld utilize the Assault version more.

Premise

"There is too much overlap between the Assault and Commando." This is something I hear very often, and it definitely has its share of truth. Over the course of my Dust career I've dabbled in every role, but by far my most used suits are the Assault and Commando. While I can tell apart the very subtle differences between the suits and what would be a better choice in a certain situation, it has gotten to the point where after the Uprising 1.8 respec I skilled into every class except the Assault because it was too similar to the Commando to warrant another couple million of my SP. What's even more worrisome is CCP notices this as well as evident by the Commando not even existing in the current build of Project Legion. However, for the purposes of this thread let's keep the discussion to what can be done to differentiate the Assault and Commando through hotfixes in Dust 514. If successful, maybe we can see the Commandos return in Legion


My Proposal

Let me stress that this is just my opinion on what would make the two roles distinct. Please take it for nothing more. Use it as a starting ground to bring your own proposals to the table, or don't and bring up new proposals completely unrelated to how I do it! The point is, let's all come up with ideas and provide constructive feedback to each other.

So let me begin. Currently there isn't much differentiating the two. Both specializations bring hard hitting firepower to the table, while the Assaults get a little more mobility and a smaller hitbox whereas Commandos get two light weapons and more EHP. These are some great starting points, but not nearly enough to truly differentiate the two. I would believe the problem really starts to come into play when you examine the bonuses. The Assaults generally get bonuses that extend the fight, such as Amarr being able to fire laser weaponry longer, Minmatar being able to fire more projectile rounds before reloading, and Caldari being able to reload rails faster to continue shooting again sooner. The Commandos on the other time all have bonuses that shorten the fight, with flat DPS bonuses to down the enemy quicker. When you consider that the Assault is the one with less EHP that means it is less survivable in full out firefights which means it doesn't make sense that it would want to extend the fight. Really, the bonuses are backwards. Assaults should be trying to end a fight as soon as possible, whereas a Commando should be extending it (the Dust in-game client calls Commandos "the ultimate suppression fighters"). So let's start with this:

Assault Class: 2% increased damage to light weapons and sidearms per level
Amarr Assault: 5% decreased heat build up to laser weaponry per level
Caldari Assault: 5% increased magazine size to hybrid - rail weaponry per level
Gallente Assault: 5% increased magazine size to hybrid - blaster weaponry per level
Minmatar Assault: 5% increased magazine size to projectile weaponry per level
*adjusted based on Kagehoshi's feedback

Alright so now time for the Commando. This is a little trickier because it's not as simple as simply taking all the old assault, because for one they weren't that great to begin with, secondly the Caldari Assault's bonus overlaps with the Commando class bonus, and thirdly the Gallente Assault's bonus doesn't really fit with the theme of "the ultimate suppression fighter." So what would work? Well if we are going to go for making them suppression fighters then ammo capacity seems like a logical place to look at. And if it is going to be ammo capacity, then it will have to be something significant to make it feel worth it. So how about this:

Commando Class: 20% increased ammo capacity of light weapons and sidearms per level
Amarr Commando: 5% increased reload speed of laser weaponry per level
Caldari Commando: 5% increased reload speed of hybrid - rail weaponry per level
Gallente Commando: 5% increased reload speed of hybrid - blaster weaponry per level
Minmatar Commando: 5% increased reload speed of projectile and explosive weaponry per level
*adjusted based on Kagehoshi's feedback

Do note that for both the Assault and Commando, all bonuses apply to both light weapons and sidearms. This is because one should not be penalized for wanting to use a sidearm in the light weapon slot, as it is a cascading system. And this actually paves the way for the Assault to have two light weapon slots as discussed for Project Legion and still be distinctive enough from the Commando.


Conclusion

The Assault and Commando now fill two very distinctive roles. The Assault class as the speed and mobility to charge in bases or flank the enemy and then deal with them quickly, whereas the Commando is less mobile but still able to keep up with the squad and has the EHP to provide constant suppression fire with up two twice the normal ammo capacity and a fast reload speed to boot! The Commando may not be doing much killing as it won't have the strongest weapons (the Assault will) but it will be able to constantly fire for a long duration, even if it knows it is not hitting anyone, and become that "ultimate suppression fighter."

Ammo capacity AND reload speed bonus ? WTF ? This is so useless.


Actually Reload speed is actually useless on Amarr Commandos because Amarr weapons don't reload that much.
Ammo capacity, same.

Would buried this entire class.

makes more sense for minassault to get a RoF bonus instead of reload.

IMO, Assaults could use the Damage Bonus while Commandos could use the Magazine Size increase... I think it'd be nice to turn Commandos into the Suppression kings since they're already utilizing two light weapons, while the Assault remains better for frontline combat.

Just my opinion though. Something terrifying about a Caldari Commando utilizing a Assault Rail Rifle with an extended magazine.

Dunno, need more time to think about it, myself.

I think the problem is that the Commando is made to be a All-Out role in DUST. 10% damage bonus (that are 2 complex and 1 basic dmg mods with stacking) two light weapons and a lot of HP, that sounds more like a marauder to me than a Command ship (bonus wise)

I-¦d rather love to see the Commando get some kind of overseer role with bonuses to weapon range and passive squad or area bonuses (they should be changed to bonuses to warfare links if they are added)
Warfare links: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Warfare_links

Role bonus: -75% to fitting requirements of warfare links (when they-¦re added)
Caldari could get 3% bonus to range and to scope magnification of hybrid weapons per level
3% to squad members shield resistances per level (+5% to efficiency of shield and information warfare links per level when added)
Amarr could get 3% bonus to range and to cooldown of laser weapons per level
3% to squad members armor resistances per level (+5% to efficiency of armor and information warfare links per level when added)
Gallente: 3% bonus to range and damage of hybrid weapons per level
1HP/sec passive rep for squad members and 3% bonus to efficiency of repair modules per level (+5% to efficiency of armor and skirmish warfare links when added)
Minmatar: 3% bonus to range and rof of projectile and explosive weapons per level
3% bonus to shield recharge rate for squad members per level (+5% to efficiency of shield and skirmish warfare links per level when added)

The Assault should get a role as agile and damage dealing class that is hard to hit. Its bonuses should be mainly about increasing dps
Role bonus: -25% bonus to hitbox size (dunno if that-¦s possible)
Caldari: 3% bonus to damage of hybrid weapon per level
2% bonus to scope magnification and accuracy per level
Amarr: 3% bonus to damage of laser weaponry per level
2% bonus to heat build up of laser weaponry per level
Gallente: 3% bonus to rof of hybrid weaponry per level
2% bonus to damage of hybrid weaponry per level
Minmatar: 3% bonus to rof of projectile and explosive weaponry per level
5% bonus to magazine size of projectile weapons and +1 mag size to explosive weapons per level

that 25% bonus to hitbox size should make its hitbox even smaller than that of a scout so it should reduce the usage of scouts as assaults.

Gallente would get their damage superiority back with a doubled dps bonus (damage and rof)

Cheers,
Aml

no offense but having a smaller hit-box than scouts could cause serious problems namely that scouts are hard to hit as is
besides the scout is the agile one they should be hard to hit, out strafe their opponents, and outrun them as well
I however would recommend a psudo opposite of increased range, stability, and dispersion reduction rather than small hit box this makes the assault an efficient killer another thing i would suggest for assault is 0.5 armor regen per second per level giving them more solid suitability assaults should be marksmen above all things they can kill you in prolonged battle because they should out move a heavy and out tank the scout in terms of damage and health

Amarr: 5% per level to armor plate efficacy, 5% per level to laser weaponry heat build up

Caldari: 5% per level to shield extender efficacy, 5% per level to railgun weaponry optimal range

Gallente: 5% per level to armor repair efficacy, 2% per level to blaster weaponry damage

Minmatar: 5% per level to biotic efficacy, 5% per level to projectile and explosive weaponry rof


for commandos id increase racial weapon damage to 3% per level and keep the reload bonus.

I would remove the commando class from legion at launch and work on medium weapons that could fill the role of light machine guns. Then I would have a weapon mount equipment so classes that can't hold a medium weapon can use them like a turret after it's placed by a commando.

Heavies could use medium weapons, but with no fitting bonus and no equipment for mounting so it wouldn't be as good.

I would remove the commando class from legion at launch and work on medium weapons that could fill the role of light machine guns. Then I would have a weapon mount equipment so classes that can't hold a medium weapon can use them like a turret after it's placed by a commando.

Heavies could use medium weapons, but with no fitting bonus and no equipment for mounting so it wouldn't be as good.