I don't see where Micheal is raging. Would you like to point that out for me?

If swarms were effective then this tactic would most likely go away. Most players don't run heavy so they can't rely on forge guns and the PLC is useless against dropships unless they are right in your face, so until swarms are fixed I see no problem with this. It's one of the only effective defenses against DS and ADS that is available to all dropsuit classes.

Once swarms are fixed, if it continues to be a problem I see no reason not to look into some options. In the meantime throw on a scanner and don't hold still.

Edit: And I see it no different than the death taxi's we used to have, people were getting OHK'd all day in their protosuits by starter-fit LAV BPO's and that was around since pre-Chromosome. And you STILL see it happen occasionally.

You seem to think dropships are a much greater threat than they are. You think they're easy mode? Try it.

At least suicide LAVs were born of necessity, a tank can destroy your RDV before your vehicle can drop, it can tank repeated FG hits, swarms, PLC and remotes. A suicide LAV can only approach on one plane of attack.

A suicide DS can attack from multiple planes, is typically moving so fast that by the time it pops up on your Tacnet you can't dodge, and oh yeah takes prolonged effort even with proto mis soles to kill, so even if you spot it in time it can just keep coming and kill you anyway.

It's akin to being infantry and all the other guy has to do to kill your proto suit is touch you with his militia one.


Oh, and by the way, vehicle scanners suck.

I pilot DS. I pilot tanks. What does that even have to do with mercenaries finding means to destroy a threat?

Any threat on the field is a threat on the field. Let's not be coy about the situation. An ADS can disrupt alot that's happening on ground.

But the subject of the matter is not about the lethality of the ADS. It's about an OP who doesn't like being suicide rammed by another DS, which is viable tactical approach to an attacking ADS.

That's the point of this thread. The collision part is just used so that he wouldn't seem like he's whining or to get his point slickly across. That he wants to eliminate the suicidal dropship.

The title alone states that. Let's not sidestep that issue at hand.

The tactic should be accepted. I have laughed in the past when someone suicide my tank. Kamikaze is a part of war and I can appreciate the enemy doing what he can to eliminate the threat.

So basically, he should up his awareness. If its happening to him, then he should take it as a compliment to his piloting skills, laugh it off, get back in the game and be more careful next time.

It's simple. How is that so hard to do? Lick your wounds and get back in the fight. Stop looking to CCP to help you continue your onslaught unaffected. This happens all too often with players. They can get kills all day using a certain means to get that but once the tables turn, boom...its time to open a thread and request game changes. That's just plain terrible.

I pilot DS. I pilot tanks. What does that even have to do with mercenaries finding means to destroy a threat?

Any threat on the field is a threat on the field. Let's not be coy about the situation. An ADS can disrupt alot that's happening on ground.

But the subject of the matter is not about the lethality of the ADS. It's about an OP who doesn't like being suicide rammed by another DS, which is viable tactical approach to an attacking ADS.

That's the point of this thread. The collision part is just used so that he wouldn't seem like he's whining or to get his point slickly across. That he wants to eliminate the suicidal dropship.

The title alone states that. Let's not sidestep that issue at hand.

The tactic should be accepted. I have laughed in the past when someone suicide my tank. Kamikaze is a part of war and I can appreciate the enemy doing what he can to eliminate the threat.

So basically, he should up his awareness. If its happening to him, then he should take it as a compliment to his piloting skills, laugh it off, get back in the game and be more careful next time.

It's simple. How is that so hard to do? Lick your wounds and get back in the fight. Stop looking to CCP to help you continue your onslaught unaffected. This happens all too often with players. They can get kills all day using a certain means to get that but once the tables turn, boom...its time to open a thread and request game changes. That's just plain terrible.

Kamikaze DS piloting isn't that easy (unless target is perfectly still).


Also, performing the kamikaze hit takes some preparation: spawning in safe area, calling vehicle, travel time.
Takes time which is a battle asset.

Also the vehicle asset, cheap or not, is consumed in the process. So there's no 'rinse & repeat' as with normal weapons.

Anyone who is against the OP obviously uses suicide dropships.
As an ADS pilot the ridiculous impact damage it is one of the most infuriating things in this game. A gentle touch with another vehicle should not instantly take me from 100% to 0HP. In a high speed collision its fair enough but when you die from the most gentle stroke its just bullshit.

Never once have I used a Suicide Dropship, and the first sentence of your assertion is a fallacy.

I pilot DS. I pilot tanks. What does that even have to do with mercenaries finding means to destroy a threat?

Any threat on the field is a threat on the field. Let's not be coy about the situation. An ADS can disrupt alot that's happening on ground.

But the subject of the matter is not about the lethality of the ADS. It's about an OP who doesn't like being suicide rammed by another DS, which is viable tactical approach to an attacking ADS.

That's the point of this thread. The collision part is just used so that he wouldn't seem like he's whining or to get his point slickly across. That he wants to eliminate the suicidal dropship.

The title alone states that. Let's not sidestep that issue at hand.

The tactic should be accepted. I have laughed in the past when someone suicide my tank. Kamikaze is a part of war and I can appreciate the enemy doing what he can to eliminate the threat.

So basically, he should up his awareness. If its happening to him, then he should take it as a compliment to his piloting skills, laugh it off, get back in the game and be more careful next time.

It's simple. How is that so hard to do? Lick your wounds and get back in the fight. Stop looking to CCP to help you continue your onslaught unaffected. This happens all too often with players. They can get kills all day using a certain means to get that but once the tables turn, boom...its time to open a thread and request game changes. That's just plain terrible.

Suicide dropships have become an epidemic. Every game I go into there is instantly a suicide dropship in the air that rams me before I can react. These dropships make it impossible to do any kind of serious operation with a dropship as all they need to do is ram you.
"Well just shoot them down!" You say, well its not that easy. Most fit afterburners and run to the redline before you can shoot them down, even with gunners.
"Well then just be more aware!" Not that simple either, I usually can't see them before its too late and they tap me anyway. If I do see them I know I can't do anything except dodge them which is really very boring and makes it so I cannot do any of my jobs.

This is a problem that needs to be fixed. It takes all of the fun out of dropshipping and negates the dropship role entirely.

After being rammed I found a random blue dropship on the street and decided I would just fly around. A rail tank started shooting at me and I thought f*** it let's see what happens. I dove full speed directly into the tank and it did absolutely no damage. This surprised me to say the least.

So how do we fix this? I have talked with some friends and arrived at a few conclusions.

Remove the collision damage from dropships hitting each other. You can still ram them and knock them into walls but it won't be an instant kill because you tapped them. This allows the victim to fight back without instantly loosing his investment.

increase the dropships scan range so at least we can see them well before they hit us. This won't get rid of the problem but will certainly help and at least allow actual pilots to continue flying.

reverse the impact damage so only the dropship that rams takes the damage.

Personally I think number one is the best solution. Anyway I made this thread to seriously discuss this because I have millions of sp into dropships and is where I got my fun in dust. Suicide dropships are ruining any fun I can have.

Inb4 "get gud scrub" "ramming dropships is the only way to kill them" "its actually really hard to ram another dropship" "f*** you I should be able to play how I want"

You're not paying attention to the skies), terrorizing people below him, something like Judge would do.

lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship.

How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time.

So I think the guy should deal with it.