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Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1275	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:09:00 - [1] - Quote Suicide dropships have become an epidemic. Every game I go into there is instantly a suicide dropship in the air that rams me before I can react. These dropships make it impossible to do any kind of serious operation with a dropship as all they need to do is ram you. "Well just shoot them down!" You say, well its not that easy. Most fit afterburners and run to the redline before you can shoot them down, even with gunners. "Well then just be more aware!" Not that simple either, I usually can't see them before its too late and they tap me anyway. If I do see them I know I can't do anything except dodge them which is really very boring and makes it so I cannot do any of my jobs. This is a problem that needs to be fixed. It takes all of the fun out of dropshipping and negates the dropship role entirely. After being rammed I found a random blue dropship on the street and decided I would just fly around. A rail tank started shooting at me and I thought f* it let's see what happens. I dove full speed directly into the tank and it did absolutely no damage. This surprised me to say the least. So how do we fix this? I have talked with some friends and arrived at a few conclusions. Remove the collision damage from dropships hitting each other. You can still ram them and knock them into walls but it won't be an instant kill because you tapped them. This allows the victim to fight back without instantly loosing his investment. increase the dropships scan range so at least we can see them well before they hit us. This won't get rid of the problem but will certainly help and at least allow actual pilots to continue flying. reverse the impact damage so only the dropship that rams takes the damage. Personally I think number one is the best solution. Anyway I made this thread to seriously discuss this because I have millions of sp into dropships and is where I got my fun in dust. Suicide dropships are ruining any fun I can have. Inb4 "get gud scrub" "ramming dropships is the only way to kill them" "its actually really hard to ram another dropship" "f* you I should be able to play how I want"
Michael Arck 4476	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:11:00 - [2] - Quote Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 110	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:33:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. Amarr Heavy_ Amarr Assault_ Caldari Scout
MINA Longstrike 786	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:37:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Zero SP investment, Zero skill required, Can be done almost for free (unfitted MLT dropships aren't expensive compared to our 500k+ isk ADS). We're not mad that we're dying, we're mad because there is no counter-play to it, it's completely binary, you're either alive and have zero worries or you're rammed and instantly dead. If ramming just knocked us around there would be some player/pilot skill on both ends - they'd have to hope to knock you into a building or the ground or something while you'd have to try and recover from the impact. Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. AV is being looked at currently. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Jimmy McNaulty NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 141	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:38:00 - [5] - Quote Dear OP, **** YOU! Signed, everyone. RIP GIF SIG
Michael Arck 4480	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:41:00 - [6] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship. How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time. So I think the guy should deal with it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
MINA Longstrike 786	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:42:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship. How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time. So I think the guy should deal with it. No he's talking about being rammed by other dropships while in a dropship. Reading comprehension. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Michael Arck 4480	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:45:00 - [8] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship. How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time. So I think the guy should deal with it. No he's talking about being rammed by other dropships while in a dropship. Reading comprehension. Oh wow you got me there! Whatever will I do?! Seriously, the point remains. What's the problem? Kamikaze is a part of this game and war. So he wants to change something because he doesn't have Maverick piloting skills to evade the suicide dropship? Taken further, it can be implied that he himself is camping objective (how else are you getting rammed by another dropship while you're in a dropship? You're not paying attention to the skies), terrorizing people below him, something like Judge would do. So people find a way to get rid of him and we should know just say "oh yea, you're right! That's not fair! Lets change that!" Uhhhhh NO Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1275	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:48:00 - [9] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you? You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. I am serious, its the ultimate anti dropship weapon. When a suicide dropship is on the prowl I can't fight back, I can't plan an attack strategy, I can't fight it. It would be one thing if there was atleast more of a warning but its an instant kill with little or no warning and its cheaper than any av fit. Well it is cheap, there is no way to fight it, no way to run from it or hide, I either have to die or recall my dropship (nagtes the millions of sp I've spent into my dropship) which will then be rammed while I recap, (700k is) Actually av specialists shoot me down all the time. Good forge gunners scare the hell out of me. Swarm launchers could use a hand but most of those guys want to both buff the swarms and Nerf the dropship. I'm interested in good fights, which I do have against av specialists that know what they are doing. There are danger zones that they creat so I can tactically withdrawal and the fights themselves become battles of skill where if either party makes a mistake it becomes fatal. When a suicide dropship is in the air the entire battlefield becomes the danger zone and unless I get very very very lucky I'm dead. Instantly. No interesting battle just poof, two games worth of saving gone. It negates everything I have worked for over a year now and it sucks, I'm about ready to give up flying because I'll go bankrupt if I do. Oh I also forgot to mention I had a friendly dropship ram into me today and kill me. How am I suppose to defend myself against that? There is no where to run, and I can't do even the simplest of jobs without the constant threat of being instant killed.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1929	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:49:00 - [10] - Quote it's sad that they built dropship gunning more for Air to surface fighting rather then Aerial Vehicle fights.

Michael Arck 4480	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:52:00 - [11] - Quote How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 592	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:52:00 - [12] - Quote Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for. The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target. The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down. A tank can easily kill a jihad jeep if he sees it. One shot on the REs and the problem is solved plus a tank can straight kill a lav about five times faster than an ads can kill another dropship. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 65	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:55:00 - [13] - Quote Don't feel bad OP. Your not special. I KILL anything and everything in the sky. Blue/red/grenn makes no differnce. Its just boredom..... Sorry? I can't have you guys thinking your the shiznit. My 30k ship is OP in a nose dive. Sometimes I pack it full of TNT.
Michael Arck 4480	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:56:00 - [14] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for. The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target. The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down. Please. He wants to change it because he gets kamikaze'd. That's the whole point of his post. I fly dropships. I know the vulnerability of them. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Dark Taboo 592	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:01:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for. The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target. The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down. Please. He wants to change it because he gets kamikaze'd. That's the whole point of his post. I fly dropships. I know the vulnerability of them. Kamikazes flew full speed into their target to achieve success. They didn't tickle their target. It takes almost no speed to "ram" an ads out of the sky. That is the issue. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1276	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:05:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít.
Michael Arck 4481	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:06:00 - [17] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for. The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target. The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down. Please. He wants to change it because he gets kamikaze'd. That's the whole point of his post. I fly dropships. I know the vulnerability of them. Kamikazes flew full speed into their target to achieve success. They didn't tickle their target. It takes almost no speed to "ram" an ads out of the sky. That is the issue. So he suggest the damage should be given to them, hence he is seeking means on eliminating ramming dropships. Which means he's not trying to address the problem you're speaking of. He's just trying to save his own hide while he camp on objectives. It's simple. And seriously, its not that serious. A DS ramming you will take some of your life. If you know how to maneuver and have reps, you can get out of the area, rep and return. People ramming him with a DS probably more than likely have REs attached onto them. I have been hit by a DS before and my DS just didn't blow up on impact. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 559	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote If they remove the collision damage the it will take me approximately 35 more seconds to cover the front/sides/bottom of my viper with remote explosives and then I will ram you any ways. So there. Character transfer! Well that changes a few things......
Michael Arck 4481	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:07:00 - [19] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít. You don't like what I say. I could care less. You can't handle my opinions and want to seek me in game. We'll see each other on the battlefield. The difference between me and your soft nature is that if you beat me, I will continuously come back for you and beat you. Instead of coming to the forums crying that they should nerf MLT fits because you bested me in a 1 on 1. Again, push the bar from your chest. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1276	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:13:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So he suggest the damage should be given to them, hence he is seeking means on eliminating dropships. Which means he's not trying to address the problem you're speaking of. He's just trying to save his own hide while he camp on objectives. It's simple. And seriously, its not that serious. A DS ramming you will take some of your life. If you know how to maneuver and have reps, you can get out of the area, rep and return. People ramming him with a DS probably more than likely have REs attached onto them. I have been hit by a DS before and my DS just didn't blow up on impact. That suggestion was more for friendly suicide dropships that ram you. I'm not saying any of these ideas should be implemented right now I was just spitballing to get some discussion going. Actually Izlare lenix is right on the money see my last post. What you call "camping" I call covering as I usually have a shock trooper on the ground trying to hack a point or help out some friendlies. It doesn't matter whether I am moving or stationary a suicide dropship can instant kill me. You must fly incubi because for what ever reason armor ships don't take as much collision damage. My python can loose all of its tank because I tapped a wall. If you don't believe me come fly with me and I'll show you how even landing with landing gear from only 2 meters can strip a third of my shields away.

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 98	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:29:00 - [21] - Quote You people crying "AV sux we should be able to jihad" are not getting the point. Not only should AV be fixed, but jihad jeeping/dropshipping should also be removed. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1276	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:30:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít. You don't like what I say. I could care less. You can't handle my opinions and want to seek me in game. We'll see each other on the battlefield. The difference between me and your soft nature is that if you beat me, I will continuously come back for you and beat you. Instead of coming to the forums crying that they should nerf MLT fits because you bested me in a 1 on 1. Again, push the bar from your chest. I'm sure you would have some valid points if you weren't coming off like such a raging d-íck head. From what I can read here you listed a few of the things an assault dropship pilot can do and a lot of stuff any body can do with a milita ship. I don't see how it justifies keeping a broken mechanic that allows for easy instant kills. I think you mid understood my question, I didn't fight you in my milita suit, I didn't shoot or throw a grenade or strafe or anything that would typically happen in a fire fight, I just ran up to your proto suit and touched you, and you die, instantly. Would you be okay with that? As much as I would love to keep calling in assault dropships to fight these suicide dropships they cost 700k isk a pop and I just don't have the money to do that. You see my money is earned transporting troops, destroying installations, suppressing infantry, and destroying vehicles. I can't do any of that because a guy got in a mlt dropship and won't stop trying to hit me, so I don't get paid, and I probably loose another two games worth of isk. Thank you for being so considerate and trying to look at the issue from both sides rather than just shouting and carrying on and pointing fingers and calling names. That's what leads to constructive ideas and serious issues being worked out....
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8822	Posted - 2014.05.24 04:02:00 - [23] - Quote Here's some ways to solve your problem: 1.) Use Afterburner to evade hostile Dropship. 2.) Use Situational Awareness to prevent being killed by DS 3.) HTFU 4.) Adapt HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Michael Arck 4493	Posted - 2014.05.24 04:12:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít. You don't like what I say. I could care less. You can't handle my opinions and want to seek me in game. We'll see each other on the battlefield. The difference between me and your soft nature is that if you beat me, I will continuously come back for you and beat you. Instead of coming to the forums crying that they should nerf MLT fits because you bested me in a 1 on 1. Again, push the bar from your chest. I'm sure you would have some valid points if you weren't coming off like such a raging d-íck head. From what I can read here you listed a few of the things an assault dropship pilot can do and a lot of stuff any body can do with a milita ship. I don't see how it justifies keeping a broken mechanic that allows for easy instant kills. I think you mid understood my question, I didn't fight you in my milita suit, I didn't shoot or throw a grenade or strafe or anything that would typically happen in a fire fight, I just ran up to your proto suit and touched you, and you die, instantly. Would you be okay with that? As much as I would love to keep calling in assault dropships to fight these suicide dropships they cost 700k isk a pop and I just don't have the money to do that. You see my money is earned transporting troops, destroying installations, suppressing infantry, and destroying vehicles. I can't do any of that because a guy got in a mlt dropship and won't stop trying to hit me, so I don't get paid, and I probably loose another two games worth of isk. Thank you for being so considerate and trying to look at the issue from both sides rather than just shouting and carrying on and pointing fingers and calling names. That's what leads to constructive ideas and serious issues being worked out.... Please, don't feign victim now. I'm blunt but I'm not a dickhead. I've said in so many ways, if people have to put up with you and your ADS ripping people apart as they try to hack objectives, then you shouldn't be mad or want to change something because mercs decide the only way to get rid of the problem is to suicide dropship you. Just as much as people celebrated bomb trucks and used that to creatively take out tanks, then you should be able to deal with suicide dropships. You should be on comms, talking to your squadmates about helping you avoid the situation. There are ways around it besides hampering somebody's playstyle option while yours continue untouched. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 179	Posted - 2014.05.24 05:05:00 - [25] - Quote This is the same lame-a$$ b*tching that the tankers did when we discovered Jihad Jeeping. Sit down, shut up and learn to avoid the slower MLT DS All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 278	Posted - 2014.05.24 05:41:00 - [26] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves. Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you. All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there! C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. You seem to think dropships are a much greater threat than they are. You think they're easy mode? Try it. At least suicide LAVs were born of necessity, a tank can destroy your RDV before your vehicle can drop, it can tank repeated FG hits, swarms, PLC and remotes. A suicide LAV can only approach on one plane of attack. A suicide DS can attack from multiple planes, is typically moving so fast that by the time it pops up on your Tacnet you can't dodge, and oh yeah takes prolonged effort even with proto mis soles to kill, so even if you spot it in time it can just keep coming and kill you anyway. It's akin to being infantry and all the other guy has to do to kill your proto suit is touch you with his militia one. Oh, and by the way, vehicle scanners suck. Not new, just new to you.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 201	Posted - 2014.05.24 06:04:00 - [27] - Quote Yep, here we go. All the fanbois defending cheap tactics that lower the quality and concept of the game to the lowest common denominator. Forget having to watch the game descend into this third rate trash. This is why DUST died. This is why we can't have nice things. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 641	Posted - 2014.05.24 06:43:00 - [28] - Quote This is strategy. Don't complain because you can't out maneuver suicide dropships. Yes its a cheap tactic. Yes its been used in real life (Pearl Harbor). Yes its a viable tactic. New Eden is all about "Risk vs. Reward". They risk their suit and dropship to take out your suit and dropship. I commend people that will do whatever it takes to win a match. Whether its a cheap tactic or not, if they get the win, they get the win.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8825	Posted - 2014.05.24 06:56:00 - [29] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm sure you would have some valid points if you weren't coming off like such a raging d-íck head. From what I can read here you listed a few of the things an assault dropship pilot can do and a lot of stuff any body can do with a milita ship. I don't see how it justifies keeping a broken mechanic that allows for easy instant kills. I don't see where Micheal is raging. Would you like to point that out for me? It's not a broken mechanic, as anybody with an Afterburner and/or situational awareness can evade the Kamikaze Dropship. The 3rd Person view allows you to see them before they hit you, so there really isn't an excuse as to why your being killed by them. Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think you mid understood my question, I didn't fight you in my milita suit, I didn't shoot or throw a grenade or strafe or anything that would typically happen in a fire fight, I just ran up to your proto suit and touched you, and you die, instantly. Would you be okay with that? So your basically using a Shotgun? I'd be perfectly fine with that, as it would only happen due to gross incompetence on my part. If I allow someone to get withing 0m of me, then I deserve to die. Especially if I saw them coming in the first place (which is true in terms Dropships, as your flying in a 3rd Person view) Pvt Numnutz wrote: As much as I would love to keep calling in assault dropships to fight these suicide dropships they cost 700k isk a pop and I just don't have the money to do that. You see my money is earned transporting troops, destroying installations, suppressing infantry, and destroying vehicles. I can't do any of that because a guy got in a mlt dropship and won't stop trying to hit me, so I don't get paid, and I probably loose another two games worth of isk. Assault Dropships don't cost 700k unless you make them cost 700k. As demonstrated here, it is perfectly possible to fit aa Incubus that's far below 700k. I'm sure the price of a Python won't have that great of a price difference either. So basically your complaining about people preventing you from doing your job? Pvt Numnutz wrote: Thank you for being so considerate and trying to look at the issue from both sides rather than just shouting and carrying on and pointing fingers and calling names. That's what leads to constructive ideas and serious issues being worked out.... Looking at the issues from both an Swarmer and an Incubus Pilot's point of view, there's no way I can possibly debate this without insulting you. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 643	Posted - 2014.05.24 07:06:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm sure you would have some valid points if you weren't coming off like such a raging d-íck head. From what I can read here you listed a few of the things an assault dropship pilot can do and a lot of stuff any body can do with a milita ship. I don't see how it justifies keeping a broken mechanic that allows for easy instant kills. I don't see where Micheal is raging. Would you like to point that out for me? It's not a broken mechanic, as anybody with an Afterburner and/or situational awareness can evade the Kamikaze Dropship. The 3rd Person view allows you to see them before they hit you, so there really isn't an excuse as to why your being killed by them. Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think you mid understood my question, I didn't fight you in my milita suit, I didn't shoot or throw a grenade or strafe or anything that would typically happen in a fire fight, I just ran up to your proto suit and touched you, and you die, instantly. Would you be okay with that? So your basically using a Shotgun? I'd be perfectly fine with that, as it would only happen due to gross incompetence on my part. If I allow someone to get withing 0m of me, then I deserve to die. Especially if I saw them coming in the first place (which is true in terms Dropships, as your flying in a 3rd Person view) Pvt Numnutz wrote: As much as I would love to keep calling in assault dropships to fight these suicide dropships they cost 700k isk a pop and I just don't have the money to do that. You see my money is earned transporting troops, destroying installations, suppressing infantry, and destroying vehicles. I can't do any of that because a guy got in a mlt dropship and won't stop trying to hit me, so I don't get paid, and I probably loose another two games worth of isk. Assault Dropships don't cost 700k unless you make them cost 700k. As demonstrated here, it is perfectly possible to fit aa Incubus that's far below 700k. I'm sure the price of a Python won't have that great of a price difference either. So basically your complaining about people preventing you from doing your job? Pvt Numnutz wrote: Thank you for being so considerate and trying to look at the issue from both sides rather than just shouting and carrying on and pointing fingers and calling names. That's what leads to constructive ideas and serious issues being worked out.... Looking at the issues from both an Swarmer and an Incubus Pilot's point of view, there's no way I can possibly debate this without insulting you. His argument is absolutely pathetic. You should insult him. If not, I will.



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