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mr musturd
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Posted - 2014.05.23 09:58:00 -
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would fit a minmitar scout. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.23 10:01:00 -
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Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout.
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The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA
The DOT MAFIA
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Posted - 2014.05.23 10:09:00 -
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wood chipper or blender? |
mr musturd
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Posted - 2014.05.23 10:15:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG |
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA
The DOT MAFIA
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Posted - 2014.05.23 10:21:00 -
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The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:wood chipper or blender?
sorry, i misread your post.
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 11:54:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:would fit a minmitar scout.
nova knives. |
Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.23 11:59:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:would fit a minmitar scout. I can only assume they wouldn't. They probably don't enjoy dying any more than anyone else.
I skilled into it on an alternative 5 months ago and I've played it maybe 2 dozen times since. Why can't they balance the suit bonuses?
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.05.23 12:33:00 -
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You're assuming scouts are supposed to be slayers...they're not.
It's only because the Gallente and Caldari scouts are so effective right now that the other scouts seem useless.
A competitive Minmatar scout? Hack mods and sprint mods with remotes. Nova knives for slicing up anyone defending the objective. A competitive Caldari scout? Precision mods and range mods with a scanner. Long range weaponry to harass the enemy while still able to sneak behind enemy lines to find the enemy for your squad.
Wait, why didn't I say shields and a scrambler rifle? Because if you WANT to do that, then you should be weak, easy to kill, and easy to detect. Obviously that isn't the case right now, which is why scouts are slayers.
Gallente Scout? Shotgun, profile dampeners, range amps, point defense. You hide and wait inside an objective for the enemy to come to you. If they try and hack, BAM, dead, and back to the shadows.
Agressive scout slayers don't make sense. Scouts with 600+ ehp and a cloak don't make sense. Scouts able to see the enemy without modules, or hide from the enemy without modules don't make sense. Passive bonuses without having to use a module to gain them don't make sense.
And for the record, the Amarr scout isn't a scout. It's a light assault
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.05.23 12:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You're assuming scouts are supposed to be slayers...they're not.
It's only because the Gallente and Caldari scouts are so effective right now that the other scouts seem useless.
A competitive Minmatar scout? Hack mods and sprint mods with remotes. Nova knives for slicing up anyone defending the objective. A competitive Caldari scout? Precision mods and range mods with a scanner. Long range weaponry to harass the enemy while still able to sneak behind enemy lines to find the enemy for your squad.
Wait, why didn't I say shields and a scrambler rifle? Because if you WANT to do that, then you should be weak, easy to kill, and easy to detect. Obviously that isn't the case right now, which is why scouts are slayers.
Gallente Scout? Shotgun, profile dampeners, range amps, point defense. You hide and wait inside an objective for the enemy to come to you. If they try and hack, BAM, dead, and back to the shadows.
Agressive scout slayers don't make sense. Scouts with 600+ ehp and a cloak don't make sense. Scouts able to see the enemy without modules, or hide from the enemy without modules don't make sense. Passive bonuses without having to use a module to gain them don't make sense.
And for the record, the Amarr scout isn't a scout. It's a light assault
Please, make a viable PC ready min scout accounting for the alpha hot fix changes...
Oh wait....
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.23 13:23:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Please, make a viable PC ready min scout accounting for the alpha hot fix changes...
Oh wait....
Until CCP fixes assaults, you cannot. The horde of scouts 1.8 created is getting very silly. And IGÇÖm just as guilty of it as anyone.
All I see in these threads are people comparing scouts to other scouts. And the way I see it, the problem we have is that assault suits are not viable so most are using scout suits. If we had balance between suits, as in assaults were actually using assault suits, you could stop comparing scouts in this manner. Assaults, logis, Heavies and Commandos cannot scan scouts passively. In other words, scouts can evade all other suits except other scouts. This would be alright if the enemy team was fielding something other than scouts.
Minmatar is fine against any suit that isnGÇÖt a scout, my Gallente assault would never see you coming even with the new cloak changes. My suit simply cannot scan that low. The issue you have with your minja is that IGÇÖm not in my assault but in my scout because it is vastly better. So not only can I hide from you, I see you coming.
This is the same issue that we had with logis. People were screaming for nerfs when all that was need was a buff to assault suits. Logis and equipment were nerfed, they received silly bonuses and assaults moved on to scouts.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 13:47:00 -
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However they fit it, there will be a shitton of non proto modules and/or weapons.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.23 20:20:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You're assuming scouts are supposed to be slayers...they're not.
It's only because the Gallente and Caldari scouts are so effective right now that the other scouts seem useless.
A competitive Minmatar scout? Hack mods and sprint mods with remotes. Nova knives for slicing up anyone defending the objective. A competitive Caldari scout? Precision mods and range mods with a scanner. Long range weaponry to harass the enemy while still able to sneak behind enemy lines to find the enemy for your squad.
Wait, why didn't I say shields and a scrambler rifle? Because if you WANT to do that, then you should be weak, easy to kill, and easy to detect. Obviously that isn't the case right now, which is why scouts are slayers.
Gallente Scout? Shotgun, profile dampeners, range amps, point defense. You hide and wait inside an objective for the enemy to come to you. If they try and hack, BAM, dead, and back to the shadows.
Agressive scout slayers don't make sense. Scouts with 600+ ehp and a cloak don't make sense. Scouts able to see the enemy without modules, or hide from the enemy without modules don't make sense. Passive bonuses without having to use a module to gain them don't make sense.
And for the record, the Amarr scout isn't a scout. It's a light assault I'm not trying to be a slayer in a minmitar, but as of now the suit is unable to perform its role of being a silent assassin. Don't accuse me of being a slayer I played the minmitar role the way it was intended for a very long time I use to speed tank and run with only a pistol and knife in PC. The point of this post is to find how the suit is designed to be fit to perform its role. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.23 20:59:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG
It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol.
But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble.
Stop worrying about K/D
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:02:00 -
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dont use the minmatar scout, use the minmatar light frame! i went 30-9 with it earlier, 200hp and extrememly fast!
in fact I just hopped off my shotgun guy and played 4 or 5 games all between 20-30 kills with less than 10 death.s stop all this scout nonsense, the basic scout costs double the mlt light frame, that's it. no real advantage, just more expensive.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:09:00 -
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A) You assume that many of them play.
B) They are obviously biased, why else nerf an under used, under powered suit?
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:10:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match. |
mr musturd
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:12:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:dont use the minmatar scout, use the minmatar light frame! i went 30-9 with it earlier, 200hp and extrememly fast!
in fact I just hopped off my shotgun guy and played 4 or 5 games all between 20-30 kills with less than 10 death.s stop all this scout nonsense, the basic scout costs double the mlt light frame, that's it. no real advantage, just more expensive. Meh my best is 56/0 with no gun only knives, before 1.8, so get gud |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:58:00 -
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The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:wood chipper or blender? sorry, i misread your post.
lolwhut?
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:04:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
you know what i thought chunky had a really good point after i read his post a few times and comprehended it....then i realised we're talking about PC so yeah.
So yeah skirmish I can understand how minnie scout might own by not trying to kill but trying to win the game, but then when it comes to *pc* skirmish...different ball game I guess
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4730
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:25:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:26:00 -
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Scanned scout is dead scout in PC.
All it takes is a single Cal Scout with 3x Complex Precision to make the Min Scout practically worthless.
RIP Min Scout. I'll be skilling into something else for PC.
For the First time since.....forever. I've never not run my Min Scout in PC
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:31:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match. Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC.
no offense man but therefore...back to the OP. What would you fit? Is Min scout viable in PC?
I don't see OP moaning about KDR. Perhaps indirectly by saying how are knives (aka min scouts) useful in PC. More a "what point is there in min scout when it comes to PC"
Perhaps this is an excellent balance measure - in PC.....what works. When you bring your A-game - what do you and everyone else bring? Coz that's basically what makes anything obsolete.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match. Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC. Dude gtfo out knives are NOT THE ISSUE its the funkin suit.knives worked fine in PC before the Cal scout and after this hotfix you will never see a minny scout in PC again |
mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.23 22:36:00 -
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I love the knife bonus and have no issue with knives in PC if the suit could dampen properly I'd be cutting people in every PC |
Varoth Drac
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:06:00 -
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I've been trying speed hacking recently, with a min scout. Admittedly I have a lot of room for improvement but the play style is extremely difficult. Fun but much harder than I thought.
To be effective you really need 2 code breakers and being below radar is essential.
This will be impossible after the hotfix as you will need 2 damps to avoid common scans, even in a proto suit.
I predict a significant rise in Gal logi active scanners. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.05.24 08:51:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:[...] you will need 2 damps to avoid common scans, even in a proto suit.
STD / ADV / PRO suits all have the same scan profile
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Vitharr Foebane
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:07:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:would fit a minmitar scout. could be worse. You could be running an Amarr "scout"
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4732
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:32:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote: Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC. Dude gtfo out knives are NOT THE ISSUE its the funkin suit.knives worked fine in PC before the Cal scout and after this hotfix you will never see a minny scout in PC again
I used to turn PC battles with a scout-fitted Minmatar logi. If you're struggling to do that with the suit the bonus should have been on all along, then frankly you need to get good.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4732
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:43:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote: Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC. no offense man but therefore...back to the OP. What would you fit? Is Min scout viable in PC? I don't see OP moaning about KDR. Perhaps indirectly by saying how are knives (aka min scouts) useful in PC. More a "what point is there in min scout when it comes to PC" Perhaps this is an excellent balance measure - in PC.....what works. When you bring your A-game - what do you and everyone else bring? Coz that's basically what makes anything obsolete.
Combat Rifle, ScP, Flux nades, Uplink, Cloak. Kin Cat, Codebreaker, dampener. And watever shields you can fit in the highs/A recharger if you run out of PG.
I'm sincerely baffled by people's take on this issue. Are they expecting to walk their scouts right through the middle of the 1st or 2nd most contested Nulls in the match?
I've just never had the problem these people are talking about. And I'm far from a virtuoso FPS player.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote: Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC. no offense man but therefore...back to the OP. What would you fit? Is Min scout viable in PC? I don't see OP moaning about KDR. Perhaps indirectly by saying how are knives (aka min scouts) useful in PC. More a "what point is there in min scout when it comes to PC" Perhaps this is an excellent balance measure - in PC.....what works. When you bring your A-game - what do you and everyone else bring? Coz that's basically what makes anything obsolete. Combat Rifle, ScP, Flux nades, Uplink, Cloak. Kin Cat, Codebreaker, dampener. And watever shields you can fit in the highs/A recharger if you run out of PG. I'm sincerely baffled by people's take on this issue. Are they expecting to walk their scouts right through the middle of the 1st or 2nd most contested Nulls in the match? I've just never had the problem these people are talking about. And I'm far from a virtuoso FPS player.
Thanks! Would you fit those on a min scout?
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