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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4733
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Posted - 2014.05.24 10:01:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote: Knives are far from worthless, but due to the Cal scout being able to see everything in a competitive game, it makes the minny scout useless. Your little pub fit with the codebreaker LOL that thing would be seen and gunned down before it even got close to a null cannon. Don't diss Nova knives and don't comment on a competitive fit if you've never actually played a competitive match.
Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC. no offense man but therefore...back to the OP. What would you fit? Is Min scout viable in PC? I don't see OP moaning about KDR. Perhaps indirectly by saying how are knives (aka min scouts) useful in PC. More a "what point is there in min scout when it comes to PC" Perhaps this is an excellent balance measure - in PC.....what works. When you bring your A-game - what do you and everyone else bring? Coz that's basically what makes anything obsolete. Combat Rifle, ScP, Flux nades, Uplink, Cloak. Kin Cat, Codebreaker, dampener. And watever shields you can fit in the highs/A recharger if you run out of PG. I'm sincerely baffled by people's take on this issue. Are they expecting to walk their scouts right through the middle of the 1st or 2nd most contested Nulls in the match? I've just never had the problem these people are talking about. And I'm far from a virtuoso FPS player. Thanks! Would you fit those on a min scout? [edit] After re-reading your post, I will assume yes....so, when you decide what to wear to PC, would you choose this min scout fit? Or would you choose something else?
Since I don't play any more, I can't talk in present tense, but this would have been the default suit. With variations on modules & equipment depending on the target. e.g. swapping the dampener for another kincat if I was going for an outside point, or the kincat for a codebreaker for a well defended point.
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
3205
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Posted - 2014.05.24 11:08:00 -
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http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/193/4550
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
8831
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Posted - 2014.05.24 15:15:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/193/4550 Do you really need an Ishukone Cloak Field?
I'm sure the ARN-18 is fine.
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Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :(
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
453
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Not every weapon is designed for, or should be expected to perform in PC.[/quote]
no offense man but therefore...back to the OP. What would you fit? Is Min scout viable in PC?
I don't see OP moaning about KDR. Perhaps indirectly by saying how are knives (aka min scouts) useful in PC. More a "what point is there in min scout when it comes to PC"
Perhaps this is an excellent balance measure - in PC.....what works. When you bring your A-game - what do you and everyone else bring? Coz that's basically what makes anything obsolete.[/quote]
Combat Rifle, ScP, Flux nades, Uplink, Cloak. Kin Cat, Codebreaker, dampener. And watever shields you can fit in the highs/A recharger if you run out of PG.
I'm sincerely baffled by people's take on this issue. Are they expecting to walk their scouts right through the middle of the 1st or 2nd most contested Nulls in the match?
I've just never had the problem these people are talking about. And I'm far from a virtuoso FPS player.[/quote]
Thanks! Would you fit those on a min scout?
[edit] After re-reading your post, I will assume yes....so, when you decide what to wear to PC, would you choose this min scout fit? Or would you choose something else?[/quote]
Since I don't play any more, I can't talk in present tense, but this would have been the default suit. With variations on modules & equipment depending on the target. e.g. swapping the dampener for another kincat if I was going for an outside point, or the kincat for a codebreaker for a well defended point.[/quote] Since you don't play why are you commenting on PC fits, you obviously don't know the game is all about hiding from the Cal scout now which in a minny will take 2 damps and the bonus from the cloak
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
803
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Posted - 2014.05.24 21:36:00 -
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with lots of code breakers.
dust 514 shall be eternal.
pve for dust 514.
dont worry my logis. i will protect u.
unless its a scout. itd be too late
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Pushing Charlie
89
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Posted - 2014.05.24 22:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote: A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble.
Stop worrying about K/D
Look at you sensing all over the place, get out of here with your sense.
Scouts just don't understand, they're not supposed to be a combat role. The sooner they learn this, the sooner balance can be achieved.
Until then, Scout tears, best tears.
Knight Soiaire
Project Beast Hype train comin' through!
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
453
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Posted - 2014.05.24 22:59:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote: A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble.
Stop worrying about K/D
Look at you sensing all over the place, get out of here with your sense. Scouts just don't understand, they're not supposed to be a combat role. The sooner they learn this, the sooner balance can be achieved. Until then, Scout tears, best tears. I have been a scout since closed beta I know my role on the field and I play it very well but this is about the minmitar being UNABLE to excel at doing its role of being the silent assassin. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1084
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Posted - 2014.05.24 23:21:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG It's sad to see your post get likes. I'll freely concede that knives are worthless. You're better off with a pistol. But the suit is king of skirmish, and everybody complains it can't kill. A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble. Stop worrying about K/D
Notice your say skirmish... because yes the Minmatar scout trolls pubs perfectly .. It is PC where issues arise with it as no longer are the enemy dim-witted fools chasing WP They are active killers hunting anything within range, and a Scout that cannot remain undetected Is simply bait when gameplay is competitive ... But you are right Min Scout in pubs = Ez mode
Until someone gets around to shooting your 400HP PRO Scout fit...
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Pushing Charlie
89
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Posted - 2014.05.24 23:42:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Notice your say skirmish... because yes the Minmatar scout trolls pubs perfectly .. It is PC where issues arise with it as no longer are the enemy dim-witted fools chasing WP They are active killers hunting anything within range, and a Scout that cannot remain undetected Is simply bait when gameplay is competitive ... But you are right Min Scout in pubs = Ez mode Until someone gets around to shooting your 400HP PRO Scout fit...
Yeah, who needs a suit that can passively hack an objective in under five seconds in a competitive match?! Pfft suckers! Objectives are for scrubs!
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Project Beast Hype train comin' through!
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Faquira Bleuetta
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
397
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Posted - 2014.05.25 00:12:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You're assuming scouts are supposed to be slayers...they're not.
It's only because the Gallente and Caldari scouts are so effective right now that the other scouts seem useless.
A competitive Minmatar scout? Hack mods and sprint mods with remotes. Nova knives for slicing up anyone defending the objective. A competitive Caldari scout? Precision mods and range mods with a scanner. Long range weaponry to harass the enemy while still able to sneak behind enemy lines to find the enemy for your squad.
Wait, why didn't I say shields and a scrambler rifle? Because if you WANT to do that, then you should be weak, easy to kill, and easy to detect. Obviously that isn't the case right now, which is why scouts are slayers.
Gallente Scout? Shotgun, profile dampeners, range amps, point defense. You hide and wait inside an objective for the enemy to come to you. If they try and hack, BAM, dead, and back to the shadows.
Agressive scout slayers don't make sense. Scouts with 600+ ehp and a cloak don't make sense. Scouts able to see the enemy without modules, or hide from the enemy without modules don't make sense. Passive bonuses without having to use a module to gain them don't make sense.
And for the record, the Amarr scout isn't a scout. It's a light assault Gallente is a better light assault than Amarr |
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
455
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Posted - 2014.05.25 00:46:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Notice your say skirmish... because yes the Minmatar scout trolls pubs perfectly .. It is PC where issues arise with it as no longer are the enemy dim-witted fools chasing WP They are active killers hunting anything within range, and a Scout that cannot remain undetected Is simply bait when gameplay is competitive ... But you are right Min Scout in pubs = Ez mode Until someone gets around to shooting your 400HP PRO Scout fit... Yeah, who needs a suit that can passively hack an objective in under five seconds in a competitive match?! Pfft suckers! Objectives are for scrubs! Good luck hacking when your gonna be seen before you even get close |
Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
103
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Posted - 2014.05.25 01:02:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:dont use the minmatar scout, use the minmatar light frame! i went 30-9 with it earlier, 200hp and extrememly fast!
in fact I just hopped off my shotgun guy and played 4 or 5 games all between 20-30 kills with less than 10 death.s stop all this scout nonsense, the basic scout costs double the mlt light frame, that's it. no real advantage, just more expensive. Meh my best is 56/0 with no gun only knives, before 1.8, so get gud
Meh 100-0 melee only.
Who the fuk brags about shiite like this?
GG HTFU et al
"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we should grow too fond of it."
-Robert E. Lee
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
448
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:04:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote: A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble.
Stop worrying about K/D
Look at you sensing all over the place, get out of here with your sense. Scouts just don't understand, they're not supposed to be a combat role. The sooner they learn this, the sooner balance can be achieved. Until then, Scout tears, best tears.
Farking hell don't you realise this is about balancing the game? The question is: what's the point of the minmatar scout outside of pubs?
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
760
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Posted - 2014.05.25 08:05:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Check the Logicloop pre-fit scout. no thanks, i want to see a proto fit for competitive gameplay with proto knives. this suit has some serious issues your better of with a starter fit than a proto minny scout, and it bothers me i love to cut people but the suit is such garbage its not worth the frustration. As of now the minmitar is by far the weakest scout and has no real advantage besides the knife damage which doesnt really matter much since the suit itself is so weak and has horrible fitting due to shields and kin cats taking massive amounts of PG
Hence why I never speced back into Minmatar scout bro, go Gallente or even Caldari....... (its not good is it :( )
The Minmatar scout needs more speed to justifiy its position in the meta. Right now it is just not fast enough to warrant the downsides the suit has. |
Jastaddd Death seeker
NegativeKDR
111
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Posted - 2014.05.25 09:29:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Pushing Charlie wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote: A kin cat, codebreaker and passive scanning modules will keep your Null cannons blue and you out of trouble.
Stop worrying about K/D
Look at you sensing all over the place, get out of here with your sense. Scouts just don't understand, they're not supposed to be a combat role. The sooner they learn this, the sooner balance can be achieved. Until then, Scout tears, best tears. Farking hell don't you realise this is about balancing the game? The question is: what's the point of the minmatar scout outside of pubs?
In one of the last PC before i quit the game there we were using a Min.Scout that can hack in less than 3sec. He was hacking objective in a city full of heavy and force them to run around to counter hack.
he grab 1 of the two point alone.
EDIT OBv he didn't kill one of the heavy.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1086
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:06:00 -
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Can we quit with the Bullshit of Scouts aren't a combat role... ????
This is an FPS, there is sweet f*** all to do other than killing and you guys expect that a suit which costs as much, if not more SP than others due to other skills needed for Scouts
What ??!!!??? should we walk around giving your dumb-asses intel..??? For what??? because you are too incompetent to look for guys yourself....
Yes, Scouts need fixing, but gimping them in combat is not the solution, this game is about combat Scouts should have 400-500 hp TOTAL... and after that we are the Assassins of Dust514 ..
If you want, Scouts to be your passive, intel role...... Go join the Military....
This is an FPS...... Scouts kill..... HTFU
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