Planetary Conquest
Overall, these are our objectives to reduce district locking and risk free ISK accumulation
GÇóDecrease/remove passive ISK generation
GÇóIncrease ISK payouts from battles
GÇóIncrease Clone Pack Prices and number of clones in a Clone Pack

The idea here should be that if you want to make ISK, you should fight and consume clones. We also want clone packs to be a viable method of breaking into Planetary Conquest, but not useful for launching every attack you make; using clones you own should be the better option.

I like it, seems like preserving your clones and wiping theirs will be what makes money. That along with fighting the timer of the cannons to make sure you win to get the good slice will bring a better feel to it IMO.

As for small corps not being able to get in due to price. Most small corps couldn't do much because the low count clone pack put them at a disadvantage to begin with. This allows for a more even field and could really bring up the use of ringers for battles even more by just having the clones to allow your mercs to get the job done. Even though they may have to lessen their attacks to make the money first.

So, holding land might not matter, just the clone count. And if battles are how you make money, what does this mean for the profitability for clone packs?

Everyone might as well hold a little land to enjoy the fights if this is true, NS massive land hold doesn't matter, so are they still the villains?

I'm excited for the changes! \o/

I am still waiting for the "THANK YOU" for diminishing/killing passive ISK.
Not going to get it because OMG KANE SPREOOO = HITLAR!!!1, but you are welcome either way.

I think Future CPM Zatara Rought deserves one as well...

Increased clone pack cost makes the changes redundant. Now even harder for small corporations to get into PC

what if, and only if. A corporation, with over 100 members, and no district, got 1 free clone pack a day/two days to attack with?

what if, and only if. A corporation, with over 100 members, and no district, got 1 free clone pack a day/two days to attack with?

I am still waiting for the "THANK YOU" for diminishing/killing passive ISK.
Not going to get it because OMG KANE SPREOOO = HITLAR!!!1, but you are welcome either way.

I think Future CPM Zatara Rought deserves one as well...

So you basically killed Dust right before fanfest tried to bury it ,and made billions upon billions of Isk just to get passive ISK generation removed ,which PRESENTLY would help smaller corps catch up in ISK

Congrats

Want a cookie?

If dust is dead, shut up and stop posting.

Those changes look exactly like what Grand Wizard Kane was asking for. If they aren't a bane to Blue Donuts everwhere, let me know. Locking didn't get fixed for almost 6 months, then Molden Heath was omnilocked and PRESTO CHANGO!, we get a semi-fix... We drop a forum frag bomb on KEQ for consistently using multi-attack bug, it gets changed in two weeks and declared an exploit(Weird huh?). We show how awful the PC mechanics are and they are changed... Still not perfect, I am sure, but better than before.

CCP has demonstrated that it responds in a reactive manner. If the evidence isn't clear in that regard you need to look into it more. You want to call dust dead, let it rest in peace. You want to help us go forward?: Do something. Make it count. You had the right idea with your flaylock spam in 1.3. Maybe that continued with your obsession with production facilities in 1.8( I guess that you were trying to show that you could sill make money locking up every night?)... I don't know. You are going to have to try to be a bit more proactive though. Complaining about the changes that have been made and how they came about isn't getting you anywhere. Maybe Zatara can do it for you again.

My dear sir, I do hope you are not referring this to me

As I DIDNT EVEN PLAY 1.2-1.5 lol

Nice try though, as I stopped reading at Me+1.3

I heard everyone flaylock spammed back in the day, but we were called out most for it because Radar (omg QQ) a CEO (OMG QQ) of 0uter.heaven (OMFG **** QQ) used to run dual flaylocks

Wasn't there so I wouldn't know

But I don't think dust is dead, I think its outdated and CCP not doing anymore big updates is a shame

I just said its dead because during the DNS reign it was dead

Hundreds of people quit the game and hundreds more found it hard to login everyday

Of course none of you saw that from your high horses, so who cares right?

But yo, you just brought up **** from 1.3 son

Like wasn't that 10 months ago?

Teamplayers keep grudges like old ladies keep antiques

(I think its because it was the last time you guys were relevant)

If CCP tried to code this

A 10 man corporation would end up with 1000 clone packs a day

The c++ struggle is real

Increased clone pack cost makes the changes redundant. Now even harder for small corporations to get into PC

For those concerned about clone pack costs increases, the cost increase is only to keep it in line with biomass payment increases so that we don't end up with corps self-attacking for profit.

It's about time that we went from a top down payment model where directors receive the ISK to then file it out to the troops to a bottom up system where the troops doing the fighting get paid first. Corporations can work out with their members how they want to fund vehicle replacement programs or bonus to especially active/helpful members.

The days of farming ISK without actively doing something are coming to a close. It's just a shame that it took over a year to get here. Sometimes you have to break the system completely before you can actually get change.

I understand where the concerns are, but here is what is going to happen when these changes drop:

1)Good corps attack bad corps until its only a few corps left
2) PC is dead again

But basically this point is mute for PC

You could have 1000 players in your corporation and never take anything in Molden Heath

Because only the best 16 play

Corporations are supposed to be big for taking in taxes and such

But CCP has turned PC into quality instead of quantity

^^^ what Thor said ....

Why can't CCP stop being cretins ... Leave the passive isk alone , bring the clone pack price down and raise the amount of clones you get with it . That's all that needs to be done !!

This is a f#cking war game . We all want good fights , the problem is you need isk to participate in them . This is only going to p!ss people off even more and leave the smaller corps without a pot to p!ss in , thus making it pointless to even start a new corp and making an attempt at putting up a fight . The only players who may stand any chance starting fresh are those who accumulated fortunes pre And during DNS . And let's face it that's never gunna happen as everyone in this game just wants to jump on the next best thing !!!

Looking at dustcharts - in the last 48 hrs 3 small corps have already been pushed out of MH . They must of generated a maximum of about 20 million isk before they met their demise !!

So that's about another 100 players looking round at each other and thinking , is it really worth logging into this f#cking game ?

Who the f#ck wants to log in and run round like a headless chicken in pubs ? .... Oh I forgot , there's always FW ... Yeahhhh because we all need f#cking loyalty points !!!

Hurry up planetside 2 !!!

There is another side benefit to raising biomass payments. ISK generation shifting to biomass makes it possible to recoup costs much more quickly for breaking into PC. A team that consistently wins their battles can clone pack and take a districts and then proceed to use that district to attack others.

In the current system say you decided to take out a Cargo Hub. It would take three crappy clone packs ,that are too few clones to really win with anyways, so expect it to take more then 3 at best to take the district. This would result in an upfront cost of 108 million ISK plus whatever costs there are associated with fighting. You would likely land on the district with 100 clones or less, so you then have to spend at least 5 days just to fill up the district. You would then have to hold the district (without attacking or being attacked) for 2 weeks in order to barely get past breaking even.

With the scenario changed to biomass being the primary income source you would need to spend 5 days defending your district from likely counter attacks because you just kicked someone's teeth in. These attacks, because of the increase biomass payment, already start to fill your coffers as you win your fights. Once you hit 5 days of regen (or sooner if you decide to be bold) you can launch an attack with minimum cost and destroy an enemies clones for a significant profit. If you send a large attack (which owning a district enables you to do) you could even wipe out another district in one go. When you wipe out that district you will likely hit ISK positive if you have been defending from other attacks and payment from clones lost in battle as well. As you see with the changes a corp has gone from an ideal scenario of recouping their investment in almost three weeks to potentially less than 1 week. Nothing changes the fact that in order to be profitable you must win your fights.

Kane, what you are talking about would have been great in June of 2013.

With the payout shifting to get paid for winning attacks the restraint people are currently showing to lower skill PC corps will go out the window. Which wouldn't be bad IF they could buy a cheap clone pack to get back in the mix. When the clone pack is too expensive, they'll just go back to not giving a **** about PC.

Dust 514 still has a fundamental problem of going from the difficulty dial from 3 in other contracts to 11 in PC. Add to that the fact that FW is an ISK sink and the only way to train up a team and you have some serious issues. There needs to be ISK added to FW. It needs to be added even if it's messy and can't be seen at the End Of Match screen. If CCP can do they need to pair this addition of ISK with allowing players to make full teams of 16 so mid-tier corps can work on teamwork. It really is the the teamwork that wins PC matches even more so then having the best slayers, logis, etc. (although having good players is a key part as well).

I think I got most of that Kain but do bare in mind the UK cheese I'm smoking is pretty strong and I'm pretty sure I've been sat next to a unicorn all afternoon .

It's the first paragraph I'm getting confused with . Again please bare in mind I'm somewhat of a noob to running a corp so some of the technical jargon throws me off .

For example my corp is basically a load of ex academy members who myself and few others helped with the basics of the game . Upgrades etc ... Now we quite literally have no isk ... And I mean no isk !! As you can imagine scrapping together 36 million isk to put up a fight is like being dry holed in the butt ... It's incredibly painful - and if you don't win ... Well ... Say goodbye to ps3 and possibly the TV !!!

The biomass payments you refer to .. I have noticed payments in my wallet from biomass and have often wondered what the f#ck it is . You say they are from winning matches . Now are the payments from all game modes or just PC ? And how much would our payments roughly be ? If we earn biomass payments from all matches I can see you have a great point . If not then it seems this game like always is still in favour of the elites .

Please people ... No noob comments , I may be the 2nd worst scout in Dust but I once got 2 kills with a repair tool