DUST Search - How will this change the face of MH?

Kain Spero wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Kane, what you are talking about would have been great in June of 2013.

With the payout shifting to get paid for winning attacks the restraint people are currently showing to lower skill PC corps will go out the window. Which wouldn't be bad IF they could buy a cheap clone pack to get back in the mix. When the clone pack is too expensive, they'll just go back to not giving a **** about PC.

Dust 514 still has a fundamental problem of going from the difficulty dial from 3 in other contracts to 11 in PC. Add to that the fact that FW is an ISK sink and the only way to train up a team and you have some serious issues. There needs to be ISK added to FW. It needs to be added even if it's messy and can't be seen at the End Of Match screen. If CCP can do they need to pair this addition of ISK with allowing players to make full teams of 16 so mid-tier corps can work on teamwork. It really is the the teamwork that wins PC matches even more so then having the best slayers, logis, etc. (although having good players is a key part as well).


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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3951	Posted - 2014.05.23 13:07:00 - [1] - Quote 843 Epidemic wrote: Increased clone pack cost makes the changes redundant. Now even harder for small corporations to get into PC Yep, and it makes my brain hurt to see people so traumatized from locking that they can't see this. With land being irrelevant locking doesn't make any sense. Perhaps people will attack with alt corps to get paid, but there obviously isn't a way to get this right without a redesign that we simply aren't going to get. Make clone packs cheap, potential problems be damned. I'd also like to see the battles spin up within an hour further making land irrelevant. This is way beyond making PC work, this is about providing Dust players needed content before they abandon the game altogether. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3953	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:22:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: For those concerned about clone pack costs increases, the cost increase is only to keep it in line with biomass payment increases so that we don't end up with corps self-attacking for profit. It's about time that we went from a top down payment model where directors receive the ISK to then file it out to the troops to a bottom up system where the troops doing the fighting get paid first. Corporations can work out with their members how they want to fund vehicle replacement programs or bonus to especially active/helpful members. The days of farming ISK without actively doing something are coming to a close. It's just a shame that it took over a year to get here. Sometimes you have to break the system completely before you can actually get change. I understand where the concerns are, but here is what is going to happen when these changes drop: 1)Good corps attack bad corps until its only a few corps left 2) PC is dead again Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3957	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:26:00 - [3] - Quote Kane, what you are talking about would have been great in June of 2013. With the payout shifting to get paid for winning attacks the restraint people are currently showing to lower skill PC corps will go out the window. Which wouldn't be bad IF they could buy a cheap clone pack to get back in the mix. When the clone pack is too expensive, they'll just go back to not giving a ** about PC. Level 3 Forum Warrior** PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3958	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:42:00 - [4] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kane, what you are talking about would have been great in June of 2013. With the payout shifting to get paid for winning attacks the restraint people are currently showing to lower skill PC corps will go out the window. Which wouldn't be bad IF they could buy a cheap clone pack to get back in the mix. When the clone pack is too expensive, they'll just go back to not giving a ** about PC. Dust 514 still has a fundamental problem of going from the difficulty dial from 3 in other contracts to 11 in PC. Add to that the fact that FW is an ISK sink and the only way to train up a team and you have some serious issues. There needs to be ISK added to FW. It needs to be added even if it's messy and can't be seen at the End Of Match screen. If CCP can do they need to pair this addition of ISK with allowing players to make full teams of 16 so mid-tier corps can work on teamwork. It really is the the teamwork that wins PC matches even more so then having the best slayers, logis, etc. (although having good players is a key part as well). I agree, that's why my PC proposals tend to favor those residing in Derpville. When these PC changes drop there will be a big sign on each district in MH that reads "Black Belt Ninjas Only". Level 3 Forum Warrior** PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3962	Posted - 2014.05.23 18:21:00 - [5] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I tried PS2 and yes you have some epic fights but as the experience went on it just felt kinda "meh" to me. The real problem I have with it is that you have to choose East Coast, West Coast, etc. servers. One thing I do like about Dust is that when I'm playing Dust it's with everyone else in the world playing Dust. Wow, this got off topic quick. I think it's pretty relevant though. The stuff I'm proposing is much more like the no depth crap people are describing in other games. I think it's time to give up on anything more than a lobby shooter for Dust. Embrace it and develop around it. Something to pass the time until we get a Legion beta to play around in. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42