DUST Search - Glasslogis have ruined tanking

MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote:

CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion.

Source?

It's conjecture, but the writing is on the wall... You just have to connect some dots.

You can see Dust 514 advertised as a "Playstation Exclusive" on the box art. To use this terminology, they had to sign an exclusivity contract with Sony. I don't have that contract, but I'm sure it came with a whole plethora of fine print which allows Sony to pursue legal action should this exclusivity be breached.

I don't have time to dig through all the blue forum posts, but you can find lots of examples of CCP employees reminding us that Legion is not "green lit" and that "it may not happen" --- Same exact game, same exact models, same exact maps, yet re-branded under a different name to try and avoid the legal fallout that comes with breaching an exclusivity contract. Additionally, Sony did their research on the keynote and has been (rightly) refunding player's aurum purchases (some dating as far back as one year) - which means they believe the players have been defrauded. It also means that Sony has the spotlight on CCP to see how they will respond.

It's not too much more of a step for Sony to take their own legal action if CCP is attempting to skirt their contract by renaming their product to "Legion". Based on CCP's shaky response on the project happening, I'd be willing to bet that their lawyers may be saying the same thing. They'd need to ground-up build a brand new game (see you in 2018) or they port "as-is" to PC and Legion is just a bunch of copy-pasta Dust 514 code.

I don't think Sony has said they are going to pursue legal action, but I damn well think they've sent CCP some strongly worded letters reminding them of their contracted obligations.

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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2081	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:28:00 - [1] - Quote They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3082	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:30:00 - [2] - Quote Your topic title is missleading.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2081	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:31:00 - [3] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Your topic title is missleading. Don't you have a quota of 2 threads today complaining about tanks? Go make your own thread. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8709	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:32:00 - [4] - Quote Wondering how I should approach this one... CPM Game Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 282	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:35:00 - [5] - Quote CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. I'm surprised you're still asking for support in an unsupported game. Buy a PS4 and don't look back. "LASER-FOCUSED" R.I.P. Dust 5/14 (We Finally Figured Out What it Means!) 90 Day AUR Refunds! Call 1-800-345-SONY
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2081	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:36:00 - [6] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. I'm surprised you're still asking for support in an unsupported game. Buy a PS4 and don't look back. I have my friend's old lower-end gaming rig I play Diablo 3 and sometimes Warframe on. And I guess you didn't see my first line in parentheses. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2081	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:42:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Wondering how I should approach this one... Don't I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 957	Posted - 2014.05.19 18:45:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") Haha, yeah it's my go to fit for dealing with tanks in lou of the changes to hardeners and range. But don't think for a minute that I'm somehow "camping" in one area. Any good tanker knows that the key to keeping a tank alive is NEVER STOP MOVING. While I do use the redline for cover from time, by simply staying mobile I can out maneuver most any tank through a combination of observation and speed. I brawl, I don't camp. That being said though, I do have 0 defenses which to defend myself, from AV and other tanks. So while I might be able to 2 to 3 shot other tanks, they don't need the damage mods to do the same to me. Currently, damage mods are a bit OP with the changes done to hardeners, so that would need to be addressed first, but overall I think that damage needs to be slashed across the board with tanks. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 151	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:10:00 - [9] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 756	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:11:00 - [10] - Quote I wish that they did care enough to do something and I didn't know about what Sony was doing about a breach of contract . I hope they wipe CCP off the face of the earth . They did a Microsoft ... which needs to go as well with their repeated practice of double-dipping . What's with these companies and not having any integrity ??? That is not what they teach in business school , at least that's not what I learned . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 715	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:25:00 - [11] - Quote Use teamwork, and a little bit of brains. Because, that's why.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 776	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:31:00 - [12] - Quote Welp. Gotta deal with blaster tank scrubs some how. I'd much rather get it over as quick and efficiently as possible So I can go back to getting my kills legit TDBS "Does Krin want his gun back?" - sub random nub
MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 283	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:40:00 - [13] - Quote RayRay James wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source? It's conjecture, but the writing is on the wall... You just have to connect some dots. You can see Dust 514 advertised as a "Playstation Exclusive" on the box art. To use this terminology, they had to sign an exclusivity contract with Sony. I don't have that contract, but I'm sure it came with a whole plethora of fine print which allows Sony to pursue legal action should this exclusivity be breached. I don't have time to dig through all the blue forum posts, but you can find lots of examples of CCP employees reminding us that Legion is not "green lit" and that "it may not happen" --- Same exact game, same exact models, same exact maps, yet re-branded under a different name to try and avoid the legal fallout that comes with breaching an exclusivity contract. Additionally, Sony did their research on the keynote and has been (rightly) refunding player's aurum purchases (some dating as far back as one year) - which means they believe the players have been defrauded. It also means that Sony has the spotlight on CCP to see how they will respond. It's not too much more of a step for Sony to take their own legal action if CCP is attempting to skirt their contract by renaming their product to "Legion". Based on CCP's shaky response on the project happening, I'd be willing to bet that their lawyers may be saying the same thing. They'd need to ground-up build a brand new game (see you in 2018) or they port "as-is" to PC and Legion is just a bunch of copy-pasta Dust 514 code. I don't think Sony has said they are going to pursue legal action, but I damn well think they've sent CCP some strongly worded letters reminding them of their contracted obligations. "LASER-FOCUSED" R.I.P. Dust 5/14 (We Finally Figured Out What it Means!) 90 Day AUR Refunds! Call 1-800-345-SONY
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1734	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:56:00 - [14] - Quote Nerf damage mods back to 10%. Glass cannons currently gain too much while sacrificing not enough. Reducing the gain would be the best way about this. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1342	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:11:00 - [15] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: RayRay James wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source? It's conjecture[...] And that's all there is to it. There is no exclusivity contract. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Aardicus G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:38:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") +1 Let us not forget to include Glassicas as well. Probably the most cost efficient AV in the game atm. µòàµ¢¦n+ÜtƒÑs++tƒÑs+¦n+îtÖ+µê¦S+ìµ«ån+¢S+ìtƒÑs++FÇîtƒÑs+¦n+îS+Çsï¥S+ÇF¦án+¢S+ìtƒÑs++n+îS+ìtƒÑs+¦n+îµ»Åµê¦s+àµ«åpÇé
Jastaddd Death seeker NegativeKDR 111	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:45:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") Sorry but many people ( like me) don't use it camp in the redline,i come in the battlefield searching your blaster and use it as a Glorified FORGEGUN. Scrub people start to call in Blasters to pad their KDR? Ok it's time to summon my Gundam Gunnlogi with his Rail, and bring a Heavy suit with FG. Why i need to bring out only a Forge when i can call in a tank and be 90% invulnerable ? Call in a tank to dispose of tank.... was what you were hoping back then? or am i wrong? Proud Original Member of the D.A.R.K. L.E.G.I.O.N. Heavy Infantry Division Using Heavy in PC before was Mainstream.
Yoma Carrim Arrogance. 550	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:00:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Wondering how I should approach this one... Pulls out popcorn We can wait anything you come up with should be good Oh Heck
Benjamin Ciscko Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2261	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:06:00 - [19] - Quote Is your issue Glass Cannons or the redline? Because I will still whoop you even if I'm not in the redline. Tanker/Logi
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2950	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:09:00 - [20] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: RayRay James wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source? It's conjecture, but the writing is on the wall... You just have to connect some dots. You can see Dust 514 advertised as a "Playstation Exclusive" on the box art. To use this terminology, they had to sign an exclusivity contract with Sony. I don't have that contract, but I'm sure it came with a whole plethora of fine print which allows Sony to pursue legal action should this exclusivity be breached. I don't have time to dig through all the blue forum posts, but you can find lots of examples of CCP employees reminding us that Legion is not "green lit" and that "it may not happen" --- Same exact game, same exact models, same exact maps, yet re-branded under a different name to try and avoid the legal fallout that comes with breaching an exclusivity contract. Additionally, Sony did their research on the keynote and has been (rightly) refunding player's aurum purchases (some dating as far back as one year) - which means they believe the players have been defrauded. It also means that Sony has the spotlight on CCP to see how they will respond. It's not too much more of a step for Sony to take their own legal action if CCP is attempting to skirt their contract by renaming their product to "Legion". Based on CCP's shaky response on the project happening, I'd be willing to bet that their lawyers may be saying the same thing. They'd need to ground-up build a brand new game (see you in 2018) or they port "as-is" to PC and Legion is just a bunch of copy-pasta Dust 514 code. I don't think Sony has said they are going to pursue legal action, but I damn well think they've sent CCP some strongly worded letters reminding them of their contracted obligations. Just a bunch of baseless conjecture. I highly doubt Sony is pursuing anything other than maybe console exclusivity to Legion. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-10-01-theres-no-deal-preventing-dust-514-being-on-pc-xbox "Dust 514 is currently exclusive to PlayStation 3 but there's nothing - no signed piece of paper - apparently stopping developer CCP putting the game on another platform, even a rival one." If they could bring Dust 514 to the XBox 360 - no longer making it a 'Sony exclusive' and/or the PC - no longer making it a 'console exclusive'.. I highly doubt there is any sort of breach of contract taking place by developing Legion for the PC. I do expect that Dust 514 has to remain alive for some period of time on the PS3 as per some sort of contract. Which is partially why they are changing the name. They biggest reason I suspect they are changing the name is due to the drastic amount of changes made. From SWG Dev on the failure of their development: "If we were to do it again, and wanted to make those types of changes, you have to make a new game. Relaunch with a new title. Or shut down Galaxies and relaunch for real. You cannot change it at runtime." http://web.archive.org/web/20140210142852/http://rubenfield.com/?p=86 Its becoming EVE Legion because they are pretty much rebuilding the game from the ground up, just like SE did with Final Fantasy 14

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 187	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:13:00 - [21] - Quote MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: RayRay James wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source? It's conjecture, but the writing is on the wall... You just have to connect some dots. You can see Dust 514 advertised as a "Playstation Exclusive" on the box art. To use this terminology, they had to sign an exclusivity contract with Sony. I don't have that contract, but I'm sure it came with a whole plethora of fine print which allows Sony to pursue legal action should this exclusivity be breached. I don't have time to dig through all the blue forum posts, but you can find lots of examples of CCP employees reminding us that Legion is not "green lit" and that "it may not happen" --- Same exact game, same exact models, same exact maps, yet re-branded under a different name to try and avoid the legal fallout that comes with breaching an exclusivity contract. Additionally, Sony did their research on the keynote and has been (rightly) refunding player's aurum purchases (some dating as far back as one year) - which means they believe the players have been defrauded. It also means that Sony has the spotlight on CCP to see how they will respond. It's not too much more of a step for Sony to take their own legal action if CCP is attempting to skirt their contract by renaming their product to "Legion". Based on CCP's shaky response on the project happening, I'd be willing to bet that their lawyers may be saying the same thing. They'd need to ground-up build a brand new game (see you in 2018) or they port "as-is" to PC and Legion is just a bunch of copy-pasta Dust 514 code. I don't think Sony has said they are going to pursue legal action, but I damn well think they've sent CCP some strongly worded letters reminding them of their contracted obligations. BOOM! THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1215	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:19:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I want to be able to park outside a cru with a blaster tank and go 30-0 every game, no actual fighting required Fixed
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 787	Posted - 2014.05.19 22:11:00 - [23] - Quote i have no issue with glass rails. just out maneuver them and blap them to death with ease. i only have an issue when theres five rail tanks grouped up close together and theres nothing i can do to change it. mlt vets are eternal. they shall be the bane to proto scrubs everywhere... dust 514 shall be eternal. pve for dust 514
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 251	Posted - 2014.05.19 22:55:00 - [24] - Quote When a tanker stands in the way of true glory, you simply walk up behind them, and blast'er them in the arse. Henrietta Reborn
Travis Stanush GunFall Mobilization 176	Posted - 2014.05.19 23:06:00 - [25] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: RayRay James wrote: MUDFLAPS McGILLICUTTY wrote: CCP is too busy figuring out how to deal with Sony's legal team pursuing them for breach of contract related to exclusivity on PS and the announcement of EVE: Legion. Source? It's conjecture[...] And that's all there is to it. There is no exclusivity contract. Read article Noticed nothing about FF Sees Just moments ago, a post about Dust 514 patch 1.5 appeared on the PlayStation Europe blog. No I will not show you where they touched me!!!
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 187	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:49:00 - [26] - Quote Don't you run an ion Maddy? MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1577	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:53:00 - [27] - Quote Removing the redline and replacing it with bunkers or a bubble shield would solve this and so many more problems.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 544	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:58:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") can i not run 3 damage mods with a blaster for anti-tanking pesky rail tanks? (blaster + 3 damage mods + 2 torque mods from 1.6 is the best speed anti-tanker) Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven 256	Posted - 2014.05.20 04:51:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: They're the reason the railgun range was cut in half. They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank. It's ultra-conservative (in a non political way), and only serves to make those that keep their tank outside their own redline mad all the time. I haven't built up over a year of experience in tanks just so some scrub can poo all over that experience. Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? (wait, I know the answer to that, for Legion, not Dust) (in before "lol sparker u use milisha" and "lol sparky you hide in the redline too") agreed. minus the redline thing of course. you would have to be mentally ill to think there is an issue with reline railgunning. the range of the gun as it stands makes that a moot point. but yeah. I think there is a bug with stacking rail dmg mods or something. dps with rails are just a tad too high. -- My youtube--> NakaNakaNaka (pÇÇ~_GÇó)n++Gòª¦¦¦¦¦+GòñGöÇGöÇ - - - n+Ñ
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 9	Posted - 2014.05.20 05:10:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Oh, and CCP, when are you going to fix the railgun misfire glitch? better question when are they going to nerf tanks so it takes one person to kill them 16v16 15+1 tank vs 12 and 4 anti tankers 14+2 tanks vs 8 and 8 guys forced to run AV 12+4 tanks vs 16 guys forced to run AV srsly cmawn



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