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Leeroy Gannarsein Shining Flame Amarr Empire 119	Posted - 2014.05.17 05:36:00 - [1] - Quote What criteria must be met for EvE: Legion to become a reality? I've been rewatching the FF videos and it seems like you all are pretty certain it's going to happen; the presence of this forum even is a bit of a tell. But it hasn't been done yet. What requirements are there for it to happen? MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4779	Posted - 2014.05.17 05:53:00 - [2] - Quote We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4186	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:54:00 - [3] - Quote If you want to get it seriously green lit I would recommend you put it on as many platforms as possible to increase player count and profitability. You could have Dust 514 running on PS3 with some basic game modes and a lower player count, with Legion on PS4 and PC. Crossplay with a full feature set happens between PC and PS4, limited crossplay can happen via PS3. This allows you to access to a much wider audience without dumbing down your gameplay like CCP Z wants to. It also gives us the benefit of having a console game audience with a PC test server that wouldn't ruffle any of Sony's feathers.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4784	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:59:00 - [4] - Quote Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 123	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:59:00 - [5] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If you want to get it seriously green lit I would recommend you put it on as many platforms as possible to increase player count and profitability. You could have Dust 514 running on PS3 with some basic game modes and a lower player count, with Legion on PS4 and PC. Crossplay with a full feature set happens between PC and PS4, limited crossplay can happen via PS3. This allows you to access to a much wider audience without dumbing down your gameplay like CCP Z wants to. It also gives us the benefit of having a console game audience with a PC test server that wouldn't ruffle any of Sony's feathers. Crossplay is a bit to far and extremely complicated. Look at Warframe for PC and PS4. They are struggling to even get crossplay started mainly because they are running two different versions. CS:GO ran into the same problem when trying to crossplay on the 360, PS3, and PC. Come Join the War
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4186	Posted - 2014.05.17 07:14:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. I'm still fairly confused about how that idea started within your company. PC, while my preferred platform, has historically had a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters. Doesn't this kind of give you the disadvantage?
Tallen Ellecon 1948	Posted - 2014.05.17 07:27:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. I'm still fairly confused about how that idea started within your company. PC, while my preferred platform, has historically had a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters. Doesn't this kind of give you the disadvantage? Dust didn't run into problems because it's lack of potential customers, it ran into all sort of gameplay and technical problems which require a more accessible format in order to make it more like this.
Flambario Steelhammer United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 27	Posted - 2014.05.17 08:00:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. Two weeks after FF and still no light? I do not think that will take do long. The reaction on Legion was "interesting". When I think on the last reaction from the CPM, I'm more likely to think that there is already the redlight and CCP just don't want to tell us because of the people that still pay money. DUST 514!!! This char is dead at the 5/14 14 and no you can't have my stuff. I take that with me.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4186	Posted - 2014.05.17 08:01:00 - [9] - Quote I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4787	Posted - 2014.05.17 08:40:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


Tallen Ellecon 1949	Posted - 2014.05.17 08:58:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. What this guy said. I grew up on PC FPS's. When I was growing up Battlefield and Call of Duty were only on PC, in fact most if not all FPS games were as well. Now that I think about it 99%of them took place during WW2 as well. That era got milked dry, but at least it taught me world geography.
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5651	Posted - 2014.05.17 09:01:00 - [12] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. What this guy said. I grew up on PC FPS's. When I was growing up Battlefield and Call of Duty were only on PC, in fact most if not all FPS games were as well. Now that I think about it 99%of them took place during WW2 as well. That era got milked dry, but at least it taught me world geogrphy. I still want a Civil War / American Revolution FPS. /sarcasm Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Tallen Ellecon 1950	Posted - 2014.05.17 09:11:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. What this guy said. I grew up on PC FPS's. When I was growing up Battlefield and Call of Duty were only on PC, in fact most if not all FPS games were as well. Now that I think about it 99%of them took place during WW2 as well. That era got milked dry, but at least it taught me world geogrphy. I still want a Civil War / American Revolution FPS. /sarcasm Mount and Blade and its mods are probably the closest you'll find to that. Clan battles literally consisted of hundred players marching and lining up and firing in unison. I loved playing the bagpiper in the Napoleon mod.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 432	Posted - 2014.05.17 10:51:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. I'm still fairly confused about how that idea started within your company. PC, while my preferred platform, has historically had a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters. Doesn't this kind of give you the disadvantage? Historically a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters? What the ***** hell are you smoking? Are you from bizarro-earth or something? Console shooters are barely playable because every ** on this entire *** planet tries to ignore the elephant in the living room - Dual analog sticks are ** at fine aim and slower at turning. There have been very few dev teams that actually made competent console controls for shooters. Metroid Prime comes to mind, as well as the smart pistol in Titanfall. FPS was a sibling to RTS in terms of how it requires a mouse to be played properly. These days FPS have somehow caught on with controllers, though. And the saddest part is that there's even spectator sport FPS that are played with controllers, slow as molasses and still claimed to be "fast and furious". I'm bewildered by the amount of people that claim that Dust is fast-paced, for example. You must have been born in 2000 or something to make that claim.
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 58	Posted - 2014.05.17 14:35:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV Sadly, in the face of CCP Z's progression and "I'm going to hold to this despite all the negative feedback" I can not add my voice and effort to supporting #greenlightlegion. I've mentioned before that I'm a long time FFXI player, and I'm part of a community that's that MMO's rough equivalent to Kugu. If you wanted to be competent in endgame, you were eventually going to end up there. (And for anyone who doesn't know, FFXI launched first on PS2, then PC in Japan, then in reverse order in the US a couple years later, and a bit after that in Europe on the same platforms and X360 worldwide. And while the game is sharded, there are no regional servers, each instance is global. You will notice some applicability to DUST in all that.) So, we were quite interested when SE announced FFXIV (a little like Legion). When the original Alpha and Beta on PC rolled around, those of our community who got in reported back with impressions. It was not good, the gameplay threw out every single thing they had learned from a decade of running FFXI, and the games code was very flawed to boot. (sound familiar?) Feedback was provided, and not just by us but pretty much all other testers. When launch came around, we found that feedback has been completely and utterly disregarded. It ended up flopping, BAD, quite famously. It ended up running for most of a year without charging it's subscription fee. The producer was pulled off the game and replaced and eventually ended up "leaving" the company (In Japan, executives are rarely explicitly fired. He was fired.) So the new producer, actually started listening to player feedback. And not just in a lip service way, but actually listening and implementing. The game was fixed up, ran for a while, even taking in subscriptions. Eventually they determined to make all the needed improvements to the game, they'd need to redo a lot of the code and would have to shutter the game for a while (years, not months. Also, is this sounding familiar too?) To cut a long story short, the game 2.0 relaunched last year on PC AND PS3 (and now PS4), the game is good. (also, all legacy 1.0 players names, progression, wallet, and possessions were carried over.), and while it doesn't have WoW numbers (nothing has WoW numbers) it hasn't had the usual deep MMO subscriber/userbase dropoff. It is a success, in a market where subs are called dead. BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO AND IMPLEMENTED USER FEEDBACK. And in a major way, not a superficial manner. With the behavior I've seen so far, Legion is heading the way of 1.0. I have seen what happens if you do not turn back. I beg you, please, be better, so I can support you. If your userbase is shouting at you "you're wrong" (like Incarna), you ignore it at your peril.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 661	Posted - 2014.05.17 15:51:00 - [16] - Quote Citpaan Hacos wrote: With the behavior I've seen so far, Legion is heading the way of 1.0. I have seen what happens if you do not turn back. I beg you, please, be better, so I can support you. If your userbase is shouting at you "you're wrong" (like Incarna), you ignore it at your peril. Dust has (effectively) close to zero playerbase. You are asking CCP to design Legion in the same ways that caused Dust to fail. If CCP want Legion to work and succeed financially they may very well have rebuild it for a completely new audience and disregard what current "fans" are asking for. If CCP wants 50k+ concurrent players on Legion, they aren't going to do it by making Dust 2.0.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9778	Posted - 2014.05.17 18:50:00 - [17] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If you want to get it seriously green lit I would recommend you put it on as many platforms as possible to increase player count and profitability. You could have Dust 514 running on PS3 with some basic game modes and a lower player count, with Legion on PS4 and PC. Crossplay with a full feature set happens between PC and PS4, limited crossplay can happen via PS3. This allows you to access to a much wider audience without dumbing down your gameplay like CCP Z wants to. It also gives us the benefit of having a console game audience with a PC test server that wouldn't ruffle any of Sony's feathers. Crossplay is a bit to far and extremely complicated. Look at Warframe for PC and PS4. They are struggling to even get crossplay started mainly because they are running two different versions. CS:GO ran into the same problem when trying to crossplay on the 360, PS3, and PC. It's actually not complicated. At all. All they have to do is wait for Sony to approve an update, then release both on the PC and PS4. Valve didn't want to hold back the PC version, same for the Warframe developers. Also, Valve pretty much abandoned support on the PS3 for CSGO, so lol Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4194	Posted - 2014.05.17 19:03:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. So.... why did you put Dust on consoles in the first place then? I seem to recall this exact argument being made by your company a few years back, and not me. The position seems to be reversed now. I mean there was the cannibalizing argument as well, but most people just ignored that because we assumed it was just a supporting argument that realistically held no water, and... it kinda seems we were right as apparently CCP is now offering three products on PC instead of one.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1424	Posted - 2014.05.17 19:25:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. So.... why did you put Dust on consoles in the first place then? I seem to recall this exact argument being made by your company a few years back, and not me. The position seems to be reversed now. I mean there was the cannibalizing argument as well, but most people just ignored that because we assumed it was just a supporting argument that realistically held no water, and... it kinda seems we were right as apparently CCP is now offering three products on PC instead of one. Neither Sabrewing nor Rouge were part of the the decision making process for Dust. If you correctly predicted the outcome then well done, but its not that relevant now. The strategy has been set, and you'll need really strong evidence - presumably backed by real numbers - do have a chance of changing it. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4195	Posted - 2014.05.17 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. I'm still fairly confused about how that idea started within your company. PC, while my preferred platform, has historically had a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters. Doesn't this kind of give you the disadvantage? Historically a much smaller audience when it comes to shooters? What the ***** hell are you smoking? Are you from bizarro-earth or something? Console shooters are barely playable because every ** on this entire *** planet tries to ignore the elephant in the living room - Dual analog sticks are ** at fine aim and slower at turning. There have been very few dev teams that actually made competent console controls for shooters. Metroid Prime comes to mind, as well as the smart pistol in Titanfall. FPS was a sibling to RTS in terms of how it requires a mouse to be played properly. These days FPS have somehow caught on with controllers, though. And the saddest part is that there's even spectator sport FPS that are played with controllers, slow as molasses and still claimed to be "fast and furious". I'm bewildered by the amount of people that claim that Dust is fast-paced, for example. You must have been born in 2000 or something to make that claim. Hey moron, nobody ever said anything about control mechanism effecting gameplay positively or negatively. We're talking purely audience size, and it's been proven that console audience for FPS is several times larger.

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 440	Posted - 2014.05.17 22:18:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Hey moron, nobody ever said anything about control mechanism effecting gameplay positively or negatively. We're talking purely audience size, and it's been proven that console audience for FPS is several times larger. Go home, you are drunk. Many FPS don't even come out on consoles. It's like claiming that there are more fighting game players on PC.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1006	Posted - 2014.05.17 23:56:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV Was this same thought process ("...the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass.") in place when initially deciding to launch DUST for the PS3? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 59	Posted - 2014.05.18 00:59:00 - [23] - Quote Shion Typhon wrote: Dust has (effectively) close to zero playerbase. You are asking CCP to design Legion in the same ways that caused Dust to fail. No, I'm asking them to design Legion in the opposite way. If you think beta to launch was a bastion of implementing user feedback, you either weren't there or are retconing so hard Marvel and DC are gonna start a bidding war to hire you. And then Uprising, yeah, nobody was asking for what that did to gameplay. If they had instead kept on track and continued delivering like Codex to Chromosome (and faster), we wouldn't be in this spot right now. Shion Typhon wrote: If CCP want Legion to work and succeed financially they may very well have rebuild it for a completely new audience and disregard what current "fans" are asking for. Because that worked so well for DUST. As is, so far it looks like Legion is just going to be Destiny with an EVE skin slapped on top. Except someone is already making Destiny, and that someone has WAY more resources to drop on it than CCP has to drop on Legion. Better to find a different niche than get out-competed for the same one.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4205	Posted - 2014.05.18 01:11:00 - [24] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Hey moron, nobody ever said anything about control mechanism effecting gameplay positively or negatively. We're talking purely audience size, and it's been proven that console audience for FPS is several times larger. Go home, you are drunk. Many FPS don't even come out on consoles. It's like claiming that there are more fighting game players on PC. No, it isn't anything like claiming that. In fact, these days there are more AAA FPS titles released on consoles than on PC. The last time a massive effort went into making a AAA shooter exclusive to PC was the original Crysis. Guess what? Didn't stay exclusive. PC has a lot more well-created indie games like Natural Selection 2, but they don't have a strong playerbase. And because Legion's name is not Counter-Strike it is a pretty safe bet the same fate will happen here.
DaReaperPW Net 7 The Last Brigade 25	Posted - 2014.05.18 04:20:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. So.... why did you put Dust on consoles in the first place then? I seem to recall this exact argument being made by your company a few years back, and not me. The position seems to be reversed now. I mean there was the cannibalizing argument as well, but most people just ignored that because we assumed it was just a supporting argument that realistically held no water, and... it kinda seems we were right as apparently CCP is now offering three products on PC instead of one. They put it on console because they had it in there head to 'have eve everywhere' They were also going to do mobile, the tv show, vita, ps4, etc. What i believe happened is three fold, as i don;t work for CCP and have no info past the public finance stuff on the web, this is a random guess. 1) They got less numbers then then had thought they would get for Dust, both in player count and in Rev. (If you look at the public finances however, you see that CCP actually made 10m more last year, then in 2012... so who knows what % of that was dust and what % was eve and other stuff sold [collectors edition etc]) 2) They showed off eve VR, and a part of me actually thinks they were going to make it a game anyway, but i think they wanted to see how we would react. Once they started work on Valk, they saw that they could do things much easier on the pc. And changed focus. If they had tow titles on the pc.. why have one on a separate platform. If they could make it for pc, and combine everything into 1 log in, patches network ETC, if everything is on TQ it would make development cheaper, as they can combine the work for all three, and have cross over work done. 3) With another game coming, that has alot of people frothing at the mouth to a tune of $43m (to date) i think ccp got a little scared, and decided the best way to complete is to go pc. All of this is a shot in the dark however, but the likest is they saw that if they combined everything, they could save money. This would also be why they killed WoD. Why make a totally separate world you have to support if you can focus and make your current one bigger and better. And it makes it easier for someone who picked up valk, or legion, or eve, to try one of the other two products.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 521	Posted - 2014.05.18 11:28:00 - [26] - Quote Valkyrie will be cross platform from what I understand. PC and PS4. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 166	Posted - 2014.05.18 14:42:00 - [27] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Valkyrie will be cross platform from what I understand. PC and PS4. I've not head that it'll be cross-platform, just multi-platform. Though that would be cool. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:46:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV I know advertisement is expensive but thats what you guys need anything get a youtube commercial.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries 5278	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:12:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'm aware that Dust ran into problems because poor optimization plus terrible hardware. But this is effectively trading one set of problems for another. I don't think there's any particular shortage of players that would like to play an FPS on the PC...so I wouldn't consider that a problem per se. There's plenty of players who play them on consoles as well, which is why I hope your previous post about porting being a possibility after the project is "green lit" is what's really going on when the "big wigs" get together. I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC.
Tallen Ellecon 1964	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:22:00 - [30] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV I know advertisement is expensive but thats what you guys need anything get a youtube commercial. Give us the in game tools to record matches like TF2 and you'll get all the free press you need.


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4875	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:29:00 - [31] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1007	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:51:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
RailTank QQ SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:49:00 - [33] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? Wasn't it when Sony handed them a bag of cash with $$ on it and said build us something for ps3? Or is that the 'Urban Myth" of DUST thats propagated the forums? Don't mention popcorn or lackthereof while watching CPM0 go supernova, forum overlords don't like it. SoldnerVonkuechle
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 719	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:40:00 - [34] - Quote RailTank QQ wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? Wasn't it when Sony handed them a bag of cash with $$ on it and said build us something for ps3? Or is that the 'Urban Myth" of DUST thats propagated the forums? I believe that is just a myth as I think CCP wanted to expand to a different area of computer game players. However for a long time many many eve players asked for this to be on PC as well as former and current dust players. PS3 could have gone better if they would have focused more on it from day one. The betas were great fun, chromosome build was iffy, but still GREAT FUN! Since then I think they have removed more content from the game than they have added. If we had this climate with the devs this time last year, DUST would probably be a bigger success by now. I think even CCP realise that.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 719	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:43:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. Have you thought about crowd sourcing as a way to pre finance things? Or even as a way to gauge the interest? Of course a lot of us DUST players want Legion also a lot of us would be willing to put money into the game for things like special items, suits equipment etc....
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4222	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:54:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you.
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:59:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4880	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:24:00 - [38] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I haven't said anything that hasn't been repeated 50 times elsewhere. inohahna mamotto wrote: I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down. I feel confident in the direction brought by CCP Rouge, CCP Z, etc. There have been some sweeping changes behind the scenes and things feel like they're really progressing in a positive direction. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2123	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:06:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:08:00 - [40] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2124	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:12:00 - [41] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:16:00 - [42] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2125	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:24:00 - [43] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) I don't think so no. For me they have to show they really do care about their console players and that would require getting Legion out on the PS4 at the same time as PC at the latest (a few weeks or a month later would be fair as well I guess). I get that they want the game on the PC to appease their EVE players, but I don't get them prioritizing them over the console players that have been with them since closed beta. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:27:00 - [44] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) I don't think so no. For me they have to show they really do care about their console players and that would require getting Legion out on the PS4 at the same time as PC at the latest (a few weeks or a month later would be fair as well I guess). I get that they want the game on the PC to appease their EVE players, but I don't get them prioritizing them over the console players that have been with them since closed beta. Cheers, thanks for the responses :) I think I might've worded those a bit brusquely; wasn't my intention. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1008	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:02:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I haven't said anything that hasn't been repeated 50 times elsewhere. inohahna mamotto wrote: I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down. I feel confident in the direction brought by CCP Rouge, CCP Z, etc. There have been some sweeping changes behind the scenes and things feel like they're really progressing in a positive direction. You managed to 'answer' his question without actually answering his question. Or my question, for that matter. When DUST was in its first stages of development, did anyone at all say "I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PS3 first. I'd rather have a game on PS3 and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all." Where was that mentality for DUST? Did it ever exist? If so, it has been abandoned now. What will happen to your laser focus on Legion and PC if it turns out that Legion (with part of your team continuing to 'develop' DUST which will function independently of Legion, and are different projects on different development paths) will never be nothing more than a mediocre game? Is the same team that propelled DUST to greatness capable of making a second independent product to equal heights? If it turns out that Legion is a flop will you just ditch it and make a third game? I know you weren't there (I honestly don't think anyone remaining at CCP Shanghai is there from the original development of DUST, but correct me if I'm wrong), but can't you give us some hint as to the thought process of initially putting DUST on the PS3? Other than Hilmar's "there are 80 million PS3s out there and we have a free game." (Which didn't turn out so well, in retrospect. Or, for many CCP customers, from the very beginning.) DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 50	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:06:00 - [46] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) For the nature of the game itself, no. No way a competitive console player to play a console/PC cross-platform MMOFPS. I still can't get why they're saying that "when" they make the PC version right they'll think about a PS4 version. Wake up! It's just damage control ffs.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3077	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:31:00 - [47] - Quote Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. I strongly feel based on what iv heard the whole ps3 thing was big egos at play rather sensable management and someone clearly oversold Dust514 both to players and CCP stakeholders. This is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 60	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:38:00 - [48] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you". If we get a post "Progression v2.0" and it shows deep and systemic changes (not superficial crap) to the proposal based on feedback from the progression info we have now, my outlook will improve.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:01:00 - [49] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) With the One Universe motto going, it would be screwing PS4 players over if we all had a 6 month head start All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2014.05.20 21:10:00 - [50] - Quote Hate to be a party pooper but... whats the alternative.... What if Legion doesnt get greenlit (It needs to be green CCP). Does the dev team get prioritized back to dust? how much longer can it go? ps3 is dieing slowly... Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.06.09 22:55:00 - [51] - Quote I would love to see Eve Legion be approved for PC. o-0-((~Hack a Salvage Drone and turn them on your enemies, then burn the enchanted forest down with it~))-0-o
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8759	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:17:00 - [52] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Hate to be a party pooper but... whats the alternative.... What if Legion doesnt get greenlit (It needs to be green CCP). Does the dev team get prioritized back to dust? how much longer can it go? ps3 is dieing slowly... At this point I don't think CCP has any choice. They dug themselves into a very deep hole here. They officially cancelled WoD while Dust is looking like it's on borrowed time due to the now-completely-outdated-and-replaced PS3. That's already two games down the drain in a single year. If Legion doesn't get the green light, that's it. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Kincate DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:30:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV So does this mean Legion will not just be the Dust Lobby shooter on PC? Really, emphasis here on getting rid of the lobby shooter part. 1st Legionhare
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 305	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:28:00 - [54] - Quote WHERE IS MY GOT DAMN EVE VALKYRIE SABERWING?!
lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:37:00 - [55] - Quote o/ Make it green !!!!!! o-0-((~Hack a Salvage Drone and turn them on your enemies, then burn the enchanted forest down with it~))-0-o
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8759	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:52:00 - [56] - Quote Kincate wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV So does this mean Legion will not just be the Dust Lobby shooter on PC? Really, emphasis here on getting rid of the lobby shooter part. Also just green light the fraking thing already, because the only other option is to put your all into Dust and if you thought that was possible you would be doing it. I think CCP Saberwing was among the 50+ devs let go from the company recently. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 668	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:40:00 - [57] - Quote Citpaan Hacos wrote: [quote=steadyhand amarr]Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you"./quote] Precisely how CCP Z comes across - that skill tree is doomed i tells ya
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8760	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:57:00 - [58] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Citpaan Hacos wrote: [quote=steadyhand amarr]Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you"./quote] Precisely how CCP Z comes across - that skill tree is doomed i tells ya Actually, CCP Wolfman came into the forums not too long ago giving everyone a very good conversation regarding salvage. It's in the stickies. So add him to the list of people like MC Peanut and Rattati. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1970	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:43:00 - [59] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: WHERE IS MY GOT DAMN EVE VALKYRIE SABERWING?! sabrewing was fired, homie. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1970	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:46:00 - [60] - Quote lateris ablon wrote: o/ Make it green !!!!!! Send a message on twitter https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenlightLegion?src=hash legion is a place holder to keep you buying aurum. you should already know that because they say they're developing it on an engine designed for the last generation. legion will have a 5 man development team that's actually working on other things. ccp praetorian and ccp rouge are former golden turds. their job is to bullshit you. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8762	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:20:00 - [61] - Quote low genius wrote: lateris ablon wrote: o/ Make it green !!!!!! Send a message on twitter https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenlightLegion?src=hash legion is a place holder to keep you buying aurum. you should already know that because they say they're developing it on an engine designed for the last generation. legion will have a 5 man development team that's actually working on other things. ccp praetorian and ccp rouge are former golden turds. their job is to bullshit you. Funny, I don't feel compelled to buy any more AUR for Dust. Hell, I stopped playing Dust altogether. I only log in once in a while to keep my main from getting purged from my corp. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 250	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:31:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. Get the basics right on PC to avoid any further problems on the consoles. This I can accept, it is common knowledge to test thing out on a desktop before porting over. BTW to those pc master race people, I have both a gaming pc and ps3 because I wanted them. Stop bashing the other gamers over what they play their games on, you are no better than the people yelling the gamer war nonsense.
Oceltot Mortalis 4	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:38:00 - [63] - Quote Is it not the Playstation servers that are holding them back?? I love my playstation, but from what I have heard in an interview, there's tons of code in Dust that we as players want that cannot be implemented because of Sonys servers. This PC move is what the game needs. And everyone that is on CCP Rouge's and Saberwing's case, THEY'RE NEW, and they wanted to reveal project legion before fanfest so they didn't have a going away party instead of a big reveal. If you actually do some research on all of this, you'll sound a lot less like a child going off of a knee jerk as soon as he hears the first sign of bad news. Also, I would love to see Legion greenlit. Steam has a HUGE base of people that are used to trying out new free games, if Legion can hook them in the first few hours, there is a massive player base waiting in the wings! Btw, here's the link for the audio interview. Nice allusion to Game of Thrones about fanfest for any fans. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/hd-33-red-wedding-fanfest-style/ In life, I have this to regret. That too often, when I acquired ISK, I did not have enough of it. -everyone in EVE, ever


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