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CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4875	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:29:00 - [31] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1007	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:51:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
RailTank QQ SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:49:00 - [33] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? Wasn't it when Sony handed them a bag of cash with $$ on it and said build us something for ps3? Or is that the 'Urban Myth" of DUST thats propagated the forums? Don't mention popcorn or lackthereof while watching CPM0 go supernova, forum overlords don't like it. SoldnerVonkuechle
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 719	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:40:00 - [34] - Quote RailTank QQ wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: ...we still have to get the game right on PC first. Once more, can you figure out where this thought process was when it was first decided to launch DUST for the PS3? Wasn't it when Sony handed them a bag of cash with $$ on it and said build us something for ps3? Or is that the 'Urban Myth" of DUST thats propagated the forums? I believe that is just a myth as I think CCP wanted to expand to a different area of computer game players. However for a long time many many eve players asked for this to be on PC as well as former and current dust players. PS3 could have gone better if they would have focused more on it from day one. The betas were great fun, chromosome build was iffy, but still GREAT FUN! Since then I think they have removed more content from the game than they have added. If we had this climate with the devs this time last year, DUST would probably be a bigger success by now. I think even CCP realise that.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 719	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:43:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Getting the game green lit would happen prior to porting to multiple platforms. Player count won't be apparent until post-launch anyway. In order to get this right, it's important to focus our efforts on PC first. That will give it the best chance. Have you thought about crowd sourcing as a way to pre finance things? Or even as a way to gauge the interest? Of course a lot of us DUST players want Legion also a lot of us would be willing to put money into the game for things like special items, suits equipment etc....
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4222	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:54:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you.
inohahna mamotto Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:59:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4880	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:24:00 - [38] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I haven't said anything that hasn't been repeated 50 times elsewhere. inohahna mamotto wrote: I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down. I feel confident in the direction brought by CCP Rouge, CCP Z, etc. There have been some sweeping changes behind the scenes and things feel like they're really progressing in a positive direction. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2123	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:06:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:08:00 - [40] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2124	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:12:00 - [41] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:16:00 - [42] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2125	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:24:00 - [43] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) I don't think so no. For me they have to show they really do care about their console players and that would require getting Legion out on the PS4 at the same time as PC at the latest (a few weeks or a month later would be fair as well I guess). I get that they want the game on the PC to appease their EVE players, but I don't get them prioritizing them over the console players that have been with them since closed beta. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 175	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:27:00 - [44] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) I don't think so no. For me they have to show they really do care about their console players and that would require getting Legion out on the PS4 at the same time as PC at the latest (a few weeks or a month later would be fair as well I guess). I get that they want the game on the PC to appease their EVE players, but I don't get them prioritizing them over the console players that have been with them since closed beta. Cheers, thanks for the responses :) I think I might've worded those a bit brusquely; wasn't my intention. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1008	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:02:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I've made too many friends in this game, Saberwing. I don't want to watch them all get left behind even if I can make the jump to PC. I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Well console guys, it was great knowing you. I haven't said anything that hasn't been repeated 50 times elsewhere. inohahna mamotto wrote: I am glad someone qouted this #console player here now a question to you CCP if you couldn't get the game right a first time what makes you think you'll get it right the second? You guys constantly say "we've learned from our mistakes" but what mistakes are those exactly? I would love to make a list of those mistakes but there is too many to write down. I feel confident in the direction brought by CCP Rouge, CCP Z, etc. There have been some sweeping changes behind the scenes and things feel like they're really progressing in a positive direction. You managed to 'answer' his question without actually answering his question. Or my question, for that matter. When DUST was in its first stages of development, did anyone at all say "I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PS3 first. I'd rather have a game on PS3 and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all." Where was that mentality for DUST? Did it ever exist? If so, it has been abandoned now. What will happen to your laser focus on Legion and PC if it turns out that Legion (with part of your team continuing to 'develop' DUST which will function independently of Legion, and are different projects on different development paths) will never be nothing more than a mediocre game? Is the same team that propelled DUST to greatness capable of making a second independent product to equal heights? If it turns out that Legion is a flop will you just ditch it and make a third game? I know you weren't there (I honestly don't think anyone remaining at CCP Shanghai is there from the original development of DUST, but correct me if I'm wrong), but can't you give us some hint as to the thought process of initially putting DUST on the PS3? Other than Hilmar's "there are 80 million PS3s out there and we have a free game." (Which didn't turn out so well, in retrospect. Or, for many CCP customers, from the very beginning.) DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 50	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:06:00 - [46] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) For the nature of the game itself, no. No way a competitive console player to play a console/PC cross-platform MMOFPS. I still can't get why they're saying that "when" they make the PC version right they'll think about a PS4 version. Wake up! It's just damage control ffs.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3077	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:31:00 - [47] - Quote Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. I strongly feel based on what iv heard the whole ps3 thing was big egos at play rather sensable management and someone clearly oversold Dust514 both to players and CCP stakeholders. This is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Citpaan Hacos Hired Bums 60	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:38:00 - [48] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you". If we get a post "Progression v2.0" and it shows deep and systemic changes (not superficial crap) to the proposal based on feedback from the progression info we have now, my outlook will improve.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:01:00 - [49] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I get you. But we still have to get the game right on PC first. I'd rather have a game on PC and hopefully next-gen in the longrun, rather than no game at all. Or take your time and get working PC and PS4 versions out for launch. Most people would likely keep playing DUST in that case instead of now where people are quitting because you're abandoning them. I for one will not be playing Legion on the PS4 if it ever gets there in the very far future (I don't even believe it will ever get back on PS4 or any other console again). Would you play if CCP did as you are requesting, or is it a done deal for you? Out of curiosity. Do you mean play DUST on the PS3 now or Legion on the PS4 (if they did what I said)? If DUST on the PS3 now: I wouldn't be able to as my PS3 is broken and I don't plan on getting another. I would still be supporting CCP though. If Legion on the PS4: Yes, I would very likely play. Only reason I wouldn't would be if CCP ****** the game up the same or more than with DUST. Sorry, yeah, poor phrasing. The second one was what I meant. But if Legion was released for the PS4 six months to a year after the PC version, would you? Just trying to get a handle on how log you'd wait (I know a few people who feel similarly to you) With the One Universe motto going, it would be screwing PS4 players over if we all had a 6 month head start All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2014.05.20 21:10:00 - [50] - Quote Hate to be a party pooper but... whats the alternative.... What if Legion doesnt get greenlit (It needs to be green CCP). Does the dev team get prioritized back to dust? how much longer can it go? ps3 is dieing slowly... Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.06.09 22:55:00 - [51] - Quote I would love to see Eve Legion be approved for PC. o-0-((~Hack a Salvage Drone and turn them on your enemies, then burn the enchanted forest down with it~))-0-o
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8759	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:17:00 - [52] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Hate to be a party pooper but... whats the alternative.... What if Legion doesnt get greenlit (It needs to be green CCP). Does the dev team get prioritized back to dust? how much longer can it go? ps3 is dieing slowly... At this point I don't think CCP has any choice. They dug themselves into a very deep hole here. They officially cancelled WoD while Dust is looking like it's on borrowed time due to the now-completely-outdated-and-replaced PS3. That's already two games down the drain in a single year. If Legion doesn't get the green light, that's it. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Kincate DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:30:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV So does this mean Legion will not just be the Dust Lobby shooter on PC? Really, emphasis here on getting rid of the lobby shooter part. 1st Legionhare
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 305	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:28:00 - [54] - Quote WHERE IS MY GOT DAMN EVE VALKYRIE SABERWING?!
lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:37:00 - [55] - Quote o/ Make it green !!!!!! o-0-((~Hack a Salvage Drone and turn them on your enemies, then burn the enchanted forest down with it~))-0-o
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8759	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:52:00 - [56] - Quote Kincate wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV So does this mean Legion will not just be the Dust Lobby shooter on PC? Really, emphasis here on getting rid of the lobby shooter part. Also just green light the fraking thing already, because the only other option is to put your all into Dust and if you thought that was possible you would be doing it. I think CCP Saberwing was among the 50+ devs let go from the company recently. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 668	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:40:00 - [57] - Quote Citpaan Hacos wrote: [quote=steadyhand amarr]Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you"./quote] Precisely how CCP Z comes across - that skill tree is doomed i tells ya
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8760	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:57:00 - [58] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Citpaan Hacos wrote: [quote=steadyhand amarr]Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos. IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass. The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST. Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you"./quote] Precisely how CCP Z comes across - that skill tree is doomed i tells ya Actually, CCP Wolfman came into the forums not too long ago giving everyone a very good conversation regarding salvage. It's in the stickies. So add him to the list of people like MC Peanut and Rattati. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1970	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:43:00 - [59] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: WHERE IS MY GOT DAMN EVE VALKYRIE SABERWING?! sabrewing was fired, homie. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1970	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:46:00 - [60] - Quote lateris ablon wrote: o/ Make it green !!!!!! Send a message on twitter https://twitter.com/hashtag/GreenlightLegion?src=hash legion is a place holder to keep you buying aurum. you should already know that because they say they're developing it on an engine designed for the last generation. legion will have a 5 man development team that's actually working on other things. ccp praetorian and ccp rouge are former golden turds. their job is to bullshit you. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.



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