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Posted - 2014.05.17 14:35:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:We (read: people way above my paygrade) need to be confident that the game is going to be successful and true to the vision we want to achieve. This game needs to kick ass. We're confident we can get there, but it's by no means a certainty. I'm also just overly confident to the point of annoyance in general so that could be the vibe you're getting from EVE TV 
Sadly, in the face of CCP Z's progression and "I'm going to hold to this despite all the negative feedback" I can not add my voice and effort to supporting #greenlightlegion.
I've mentioned before that I'm a long time FFXI player, and I'm part of a community that's that MMO's rough equivalent to Kugu.
If you wanted to be competent in endgame, you were eventually going to end up there.
(And for anyone who doesn't know, FFXI launched first on PS2, then PC in Japan, then in reverse order in the US a couple years later, and a bit after that in Europe on the same platforms and X360 worldwide. And while the game is sharded, there are no regional servers, each instance is global. You will notice some applicability to DUST in all that.)
So, we were quite interested when SE announced FFXIV (a little like Legion). When the original Alpha and Beta on PC rolled around, those of our community who got in reported back with impressions. It was not good, the gameplay threw out every single thing they had learned from a decade of running FFXI, and the games code was very flawed to boot. (sound familiar?)
Feedback was provided, and not just by us but pretty much all other testers.
When launch came around, we found that feedback has been completely and utterly disregarded.
It ended up flopping, BAD, quite famously. It ended up running for most of a year without charging it's subscription fee. The producer was pulled off the game and replaced and eventually ended up "leaving" the company (In Japan, executives are rarely explicitly fired. He was fired.)
So the new producer, actually started listening to player feedback. And not just in a lip service way, but actually listening and implementing. The game was fixed up, ran for a while, even taking in subscriptions. Eventually they determined to make all the needed improvements to the game, they'd need to redo a lot of the code and would have to shutter the game for a while (years, not months. Also, is this sounding familiar too?)
To cut a long story short, the game 2.0 relaunched last year on PC AND PS3 (and now PS4), the game is good. (also, all legacy 1.0 players names, progression, wallet, and possessions were carried over.), and while it doesn't have WoW numbers (nothing has WoW numbers) it hasn't had the usual deep MMO subscriber/userbase dropoff. It is a success, in a market where subs are called dead.
BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO AND IMPLEMENTED USER FEEDBACK. And in a major way, not a superficial manner.
With the behavior I've seen so far, Legion is heading the way of 1.0. I have seen what happens if you do not turn back.
I beg you, please, be better, so I can support you. If your userbase is shouting at you "you're wrong" (like Incarna), you ignore it at your peril. |
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Shion Typhon wrote:Dust has (effectively) close to zero playerbase. You are asking CCP to design Legion in the same ways that caused Dust to fail.
No, I'm asking them to design Legion in the opposite way.
If you think beta to launch was a bastion of implementing user feedback, you either weren't there or are retconing so hard Marvel and DC are gonna start a bidding war to hire you.
And then Uprising, yeah, nobody was asking for what that did to gameplay. If they had instead kept on track and continued delivering like Codex to Chromosome (and faster), we wouldn't be in this spot right now.
Shion Typhon wrote:If CCP want Legion to work and succeed financially they may very well have rebuild it for a completely new audience and disregard what current "fans" are asking for.
Because that worked so well for DUST.
As is, so far it looks like Legion is just going to be Destiny with an EVE skin slapped on top. Except someone is already making Destiny, and that someone has WAY more resources to drop on it than CCP has to drop on Legion. Better to find a different niche than get out-competed for the same one.
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Would like to remind the communty that pretty much all the top brass of Dust514 was let go or suffled away and the new leadership can not and should not be told off for their former peers stuiped stuiped quotes and egos.
IThis is juat my feeling i could be wrong, but it would explain the studden charge of direction and the new sensable game play and the rather awsome comms we are getting
Except when half of the people we're getting comms from are behaving like the old brass.
The only "awesome comms" I'm seeing are from CCP MC Peanut for the Legion UI (and that's UI, not gameplay/progression), and CCP Rattati on DUST.
Everything else comes off as :fingers in ears: "lalalala, can't hear you".
If we get a post "Progression v2.0" and it shows deep and systemic changes (not superficial crap) to the proposal based on feedback from the progression info we have now, my outlook will improve. |