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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.18 11:15:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:- Sales says that Sony is leading the new-gen market with more that 7 mlns PS4 already sold, increasing at a constant rate. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
Mmm. I didn't realize the 3DS was doing so well. Om nom nom. *rubs hands together*
Yep, CCP is a lightweight game developer and they can't handle playing with the big dogs.
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Spike Slania
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
76
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:36:00 -
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You know, the one thing I don't get is from a marketing point of view. Here they are on the ps3, being the number 1 f2p on the ps3, and they're jumping ship to PC. Where on PC they will be over looked as a FPS since it's not on Steam and everyone else will be playing RTS, MMORPGs, and random AOS/Tower Defense knock offs. Oh, and facebook games. Sure, they have their fanbase from Eve that can fill up some of the gaps, but I don't see how they will expand their base and increase revenue with this move. Pretty much just sounds like an Expansion Pack for Eve.
I can't wait to see you again and again
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
152
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Posted - 2014.05.20 02:33:00 -
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Personally my kids love the fact that CCP is getting out of PS3 development. What it means for them is that they can have their PS3 back. What it means for me is that all my favorite games are going to be on one system, reducing my gaming costs and allowing me to spend more cash on my next computer. Good deal CCP keep it up.
How long til this hits PC?
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
152
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Posted - 2014.05.20 02:35:00 -
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Spike Slania wrote:You know, the one thing I don't get is from a marketing point of view. Here they are on the ps3, being the number 1 f2p on the ps3, and they're jumping ship to PC. Where on PC they will be over looked as a FPS since it's not on Steam and everyone else will be playing RTS, MMORPGs, and random AOS/Tower Defense knock offs. Oh, and facebook games. Sure, they have their fanbase from Eve that can fill up some of the gaps, but I don't see how they will expand their base and increase revenue with this move. Pretty much just sounds like an Expansion Pack for Eve. Eve is on steam, what makes you think that CCP won't put Legion on Steam? They have the know how to market to PC users so this is something I actually expect them to do in the future, on the other hand Legion isn't out yet so to expect it to be on Steam now is slightly shortsighted sir.
How long til this hits PC?
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Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
486
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Posted - 2014.05.20 11:44:00 -
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They explained: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585
Story of your life
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
61
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:10:00 -
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Spike Slania wrote:You know, the one thing I don't get is from a marketing point of view. Here they are on the ps3, being the number 1 f2p on the ps3, and they're jumping ship to PC. Where on PC they will be over looked as a FPS since it's not on Steam and everyone else will be playing RTS, MMORPGs, and random AOS/Tower Defense knock offs. Oh, and facebook games. Sure, they have their fanbase from Eve that can fill up some of the gaps, but I don't see how they will expand their base and increase revenue with this move. Pretty much just sounds like an Expansion Pack for Eve. Planetside 2 is not on Steam. World of Tanks isn't either. Hawken is and my quick check for F2P games on Steam right now gave me a list of 100 games. CCP could well find themselves lost in the storm as it were. People that know of CCP might care but many have no idea what they are about. Yeah, space point and click but their only PR is about losing gazillions in game currency and who likes that? Not to mention that playing EVE takes months to get up to speed (and barely moving at that) which they did a pretty good job of copying the same level of frustration/grinding/boredom with dust.
The method that works well for many is word of mouth for actual customer gains. PR will drag some in of course but a playing customer that gets his friends to download the game as well is the best marketing a F2P can have. For those games that focus on solo play the PR is more important. However clans and guilds can multiply customer counts based on friends and pre-existing out of game groups. Like from other/previous F2P games or games in the same genre F2P or not.
Many EVE players thought that CCP jumped ship to consoles first and they welcome the return. The fact of a small company developing games on multiple platforms just adds work without necessarily adding profits. The PS3 is a small underpowered console and the video card of many modern PCs contain more memory than the entire PS3. The PS4 is turning out to be more expensive to develop for (as is the X1) and that would be a huge negative for the decision. At least it would to me.
With luck project legion will be overlooked on PC. With the base mechanisms of a FPS being completely broken and their obvious inability to balance the gaming experience CCP and a FPS would appear to be a bad combination. It certainly has so far. Maybe project legion will fare better when the primary gaming experience will be PVE. It is my understanding that many EVE players operate that way as well. Which is just what a few EVE players told me (aka no hard data).
Basically, give it up. Legion isn't going to leave PC anytime soon if at all.
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
52
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:42:00 -
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CCP Rouge wrote:Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform.
All of these reason has been contested in the OP and inside the whole thread. The only reasonable point is the last one, which however, is totally a wrong move. A "Universe" of product on the same platform also give you lesser chances of profit. The scalable platform thing anyway made me laugh hard at the time when I read that.
The whole point of this thread is that all of these reason are not valid reasons. Even without taking into account the fact that the player base that supported them heavily is on console. |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
53
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:50:00 -
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Glyd Path wrote: Many EVE players thought that CCP jumped ship to consoles first and they welcome the return. The fact of a small company developing games on multiple platforms just adds work without necessarily adding profits. The PS3 is a small underpowered console and the video card of many modern PCs contain more memory than the entire PS3. The PS4 is turning out to be more expensive to develop for (as is the X1) and that would be a huge negative for the decision. At least it would to me.
Moving on a fully inflated platform that has a smaller player base is not worth the lesser development costs. There are tons of wonderful games that have been shut down because of this fallacy firm belief.
Also, the architecture of a custom-made PC is not even close at the architecture of a console or a pre-made gaming PC. How come a 512MB RAM (PS3) console could run Fallout 3 / New Vegas at Medium graphic settings otherwise?
There's another valid point I saw on these forums: the mods, the player contents. But still, do you really think that CCP will allow heavy modding of their game? At best, it will be a texture upgrade, and I'm not even sure they would allow it.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
1909
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:52:00 -
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Because CCP couldn't face the fact that half of CCP Shanghai needed to be fired and replaced...
You can name 10-20 Different Things that all made DUST a huge challenge Long before the platform can even be mentioned.
CCP failed.
Ad the fact that they are using the same Game engine on PC pretty much says they haven't learned.. They just want to do the same ol' and blame it all on the PS3.
Welcome to Legion being pretty much DUST level game design with texture packs.
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End is Near
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2014.05.20 13:08:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.. I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all. I find it VERY HARD to beleive that CCP has 500k subscribers 'right now'...... NOT POSSIBLE!!!! That is the total number EVER subscribed. MAX 30,000 eve players any given time. (average) those numbers have been FALLING! As a side note, I created FREE accounts to troll EVE. You can get FREE time trials online. Don't believe a word out of CCP's mouth. LIES LIES LIES! If you want to look at the REAL numbers, CCP financial statements are also on line. These clowns dropped a LOT OF LOOT into WOD...... LMAO.......EPIC FAIL |
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 13:15:00 -
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End is Near wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.. I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all. I find it VERY HARD to beleive that CCP has 500k subscribers 'right now'...... NOT POSSIBLE!!!! That is the total number EVER subscribed. MAX 30,000 eve players any given time. (average) those numbers have been FALLING! As a side note, I created FREE accounts to troll EVE. You can get FREE time trials online. Don't believe a word out of CCP's mouth. LIES LIES LIES! If you want to look at the REAL numbers, CCP financial statements are also on line. These clowns dropped a LOT OF LOOT into WOD...... LMAO.......EPIC FAIL
To be honest, subscribers count is not exactly how many players actually play the game, but the number of people that subscribed (in other words, the number of players paying a monthly fee). In a game like Eve, some people just activate their account and just let it gain skill points, logging in once every two-three day, until there's something big happening. |
GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1117
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:20:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:
To be honest, subscribers count is not exactly how many players actually play the game, but the number of people that subscribed (in other words, the number of players paying a monthly fee). In a game like Eve, some people just activate their account and just let it gain skill points, logging in once every two-three day, until there's something big happening.
I think it is important to remember that most serious Eve players have multiple accounts. The longer you have been playing, the more likely it is that you can afford to pay to play with Plex.
At my Eve playing peak, I was running 14 accounts, maybe 25 toons total, and plexing all of them, maybe only hitting up one account with actual money once or twice a year.
That ignores the multiboxing miners, the "solo" small gang guys, etc.
500k subs is a mythical number that makes CCP look good in the press. They know that that number is not valid. But it is great for PR.
Same thing with the Dust mercs. CCP was ready to crow about how many had been created without admitting that people were character recycling to generate ISK.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Ani X
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
105
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:40:00 -
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
159
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:21:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:End is Near wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.. I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all. I find it VERY HARD to beleive that CCP has 500k subscribers 'right now'...... NOT POSSIBLE!!!! That is the total number EVER subscribed. MAX 30,000 eve players any given time. (average) those numbers have been FALLING! As a side note, I created FREE accounts to troll EVE. You can get FREE time trials online. Don't believe a word out of CCP's mouth. LIES LIES LIES! If you want to look at the REAL numbers, CCP financial statements are also on line. These clowns dropped a LOT OF LOOT into WOD...... LMAO.......EPIC FAIL To be honest, subscribers count is not exactly how many players actually play the game, but the number of people that subscribed (in other words, the number of players paying a monthly fee). In a game like Eve, some people just activate their account and just let it gain skill points, logging in once every two-three day, until there's something big happening.
Plus to many endgame will consist of just fights.
In between wars I log on about 2-3 times a week, for about 1-2 hours only, just to rat and grow my war-chest or to join the eventual fight ping we receive while off line from the game.
Seeing the online players 'right now' is not a gauge of the current player base.
Besides, 500k subscriptions are 500k subscriptions.
It matter s not how many accounts each player has.
Most will have 1. many will have 2. some will have 3 and up.
I really doubt the absolute curve of all EVe population will show that having more than 3 accounts is the norm. Those who have are the "heavy users", wich we know in every business being lots of money, but ultimatelly are few. |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
77
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Posted - 2014.05.20 19:37:00 -
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Anyway...a blue tag would be appreciated |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
77
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:11:00 -
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bumping in case the men in blue didn't notice it |
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