And I'd really love if this thread didn't end up like the others. I'd just love if anybody could give me a good reason. For me, it's a nonsense . Even more so, considering we started playing this game on a ps3.

Also, edited the OP.

I'll have to admit it, this complicates a bit everything.
Still, I'm pretty confident that Legion on PS4 would cover the cost of the test server still making a good revenue. Moreover, such a big project, would surely enjoy some "special" benefits (regarding the test server, for example). After all, if Legion goes well, even Sony goes well.

If you don't understand by now you never will. That's part of the problem - the myopic console community.

We can speculate that all day. The reality is, CCP looks at its assets and its dev team and decided that the PC was a better choice for them at this time. That's pretty much the end of it.

We don't know everything about the development of Dust 514 or Legion, and any speculation you really want to make remains grossly uninformed at best.

1. Sony's not strict on updates anymore, they can easily do the same on PS4

and

2. lol

Wait, Dust is being ripped away from the PS3?

1. True.

2. I guess they can lol all the way to the bank?


Munch

No, at least, not officially. There still will be some kind of balance tweak and anything that can be done server-side. No client update anyway (there will never be a 1.9, in other words)

I'm willing to bet sony would refuse a test server... Even if it was viable.

More like "we're not promising 1.9"

CCP has pretty much admitted failure with Dust only thing they can do is release the EXACT same game on PC with minor differences and hopefully trick the community into giving more $$$ for a year or two if CCP is lucky.

Extinguish the flame please ...

- Faster update cycle - in PC they can patch something in minutes, on the PS, days; also, way cheaper as its independant of Sony

It is cheaper, but it also does not guarantee numbers, players. Considering that there are plenty of MMOson PC, even if the PC gaming community were doubled it still does not guarantee the minimum player count a console has.

Ender: Player count wasnt my point here, but Pcs is pretty high as well, and who knows, penetration is better than raw total market. Anyway, my point here is that they can evolve the game freely, without any 3rd party in the middle of the process. For a MMO rapid iteration is important.

- Test server: players can connect to it and test the next build;

We vastly talked about it some posts above yours.

Ender: I fully know, but since i am listing my reasons, it goes. And holds true.

- Flexible hardware: PC's have more memory capabilities than PS4 (8gb shared between OS, game, and graphics)

sorry for the fix, but PCs might have more memory capabilities than PS4: still it's not the same memory usage you'll have on a PC. Windows is much heavier RAM-wise

Ender: From the PS4 memory, citations will vary, but most accounts range the OS usage on the PS4 around 1/3 because its reserved for other applications. While on the PC, besides the low memory consumption (it alone will use about 1gb or less), you can have more that 8gb of ram. Most normal PC builds nowadays will have 16gb.

My old trash has 4gb, I have W7, EVE, Chrome with 10 tabs, voice coms chat and text chat applications running with 3gb of ram.

So, windows wont hog your ram that much, and W8 seems to be lighter on resources.

- Better community tools: on PC its easier for players to get together thru a pleathora of 3rd party tools and the web. On the PS things like that takes more work. Like, its way easier to place Legion + EVE players under the same comms than with PC + PS3/4.

Well, it's simply not.We all use the same voice chat. If I'm not wrong we all already use vivox servers for Eve/dust Dust/Dust etc. But, yes, maybe third party tools are definitely much easier to build on PC.

Ender: i wasnt aware of vivox, its cool that it exists and is cross platform. But what if the alliance on EVE uses Mumble or Teamspeak or other app, can you install it on the PS3? While having an app, dosent sound theres much freeedom of choice.

- Generation independancy: CCP wont have to make a new game when the PS5 comes out. On PC games can be continue without much hastle. With a PS5 in the future, there might be all the headackes of migration of the player base.

Which will always happen with PCs. It can easily be done the same way on consoles. Download a client on PS4 and the same client with "pumped up" graphics and gameplay on PS5, for example. That was the plan when they started it for PS3.

Ender: that dosent happen with the PC. You can change your PC, but the game stays the same. Theres no need to migrate the playerbase or wory about people being in 2 different platforms (like PS3 vs PS4, or PS4 vs PS5 in the future) or developing an entire new game thats basically the same as the actual game. One system may be radically diferent from the other. The new system may use functionality that isnt present on the older system. In the process, you loose players that wont migrate to the newer platform.

So, while yeah, you can download the new client and people can buy the new console of in the even they might care for maintaining the 2 systems active in parallel, the operation is much more seamless in the PC, as the platform and the game "never changes", only trully evolves. The maximum that can happen in the long run is to setup your graphics at a lower level.

- Better graphics: the actual generation of PC's already excel the PS4 graphical capabilities, wich are "simplified" in orther to cut back on power consumption;

This might be true but unprecise: it's way too soon to spectate the real power of next gen consoles (considering that all the titles use at best 1/4 of PS4 graphical capabilities), we always should keep in mind that a Gaming PC is one thing, with its costs and its needs, a PC is another.

Man, theres no hiddeen performance to be unveiled, its not the same scenario of PS3 launch. It uses a HD 7870. Which is a mid-level gpu, and the "nest-gen" to it is already old news in the PC world.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

- Better revenue: theres no Sony taking its cut on sales;

True that, but also less audience.

Ender: thats to be seen. base installed is good, but what will speak in the end is total players playing. If Legion can catch more people, it wont matter whats the size of the total player base of the platform.

- Better Staff experience(maybe): while the PS4 is technicaly a PC, it has other OS, so if your staff yhas more expertise in programing for the PC, making it over windows / DX10-11 may be easier than developing for the PS4 to an extent.

Maybe that's one focal point, yes.

If I'm not mistaken, Warframe already has a test server on PS4,and so does BF4 on PS4.

You can also see evidence of what decent code monkies can churn out, look at warframe. They can write a patch, submit it to sony and have it out within a week because the code will pass QA.

TLDR: CCP cannot write code that will pass Sony QA without getting kicked back a few times, something the majority of other developers can do.

IF the platform holders (Sony & Microsoft) allow us to update the code and data without restrictions and odious time consuming [quality control] procedures, IF they allow our community to openly interact with each other across platforms then I would CONSIDER supporting them.[...] As for which platform we would consider Sony has been the most outright in encouraging us to test dev kits.

The only thing I can think of then is that they want their game on the PC first. They are PC game developers after all... so its not a big stretch to conclude that.

This Article is why CCP is losing a great opportunity: they're developing something new, that people would definitely try out. Sony would reach its best in terms of PS4 sold in Christmas time, when the price would drop a little bit.

If the proportion is still the same (7/3) there would be 21 millions PS3 and 9 millions Xone, Even if I think that the proportion would change a bit (whoever studied/studies statistical analysis knows that).

An analysis of any of the many Economists at CCP would be gladly appreciated.

On 27 June 2007 CCP announced that an economist had been employed[16] to assist in the development of the economic side of the game. Dr. Eyj+¦lfur Gu+¦mundsson is responsible for compiling quarterly economic reports for the community and providing ongoing analysis of the economic facets of Eve, along with coordinating research with other interested parties.[17][18] Information from Dr. Gu+¦mundsson's reports has been used to make some development decisions regarding the economy. For example, in his second dev blog post[19] he observed that availability of shuttles for a fixed price from NPC merchants, which could then be recycled into tritanium (a saleable mineral), placed an artificial cap on the price of tritanium, indirectly impacting the price of every good manufactured using tritanium (which is almost all of them). This eventually led to a decision to remove NPC sell orders for shuttles.[20]

This Article is why CCP is losing a great opportunity: they're developing something new, that people would definitely try out. Sony would reach its best in terms of PS4 sold in Christmas time, when the price would drop a little bit.

I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all.

Doesn't matter how much income they make, it's about profit margins. Being cheap = a better profit margin, which is what CEO's are hired for