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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:19:00 -
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I still can't understand why CCP decided to move the game on PC exclusive instead of improving, deleting and remaking or anything else on console. Someone please enlighten me.
The only reason that came up to my mind was the inability to code for Playstation 3, which is a totally avoidable problem considering PS4 is just as dev-friendly as a PC.
Then I thought about Sony QA. But, again, this is a non-problem, considering it would take no more than 7 days. Also, Warframe is a great example of how well MMOs patching works for PS4.
Sales says that Sony is leading the new-gen market with more that 7 mlns PS4 already sold, increasing at a constant rate. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
So, why? |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:20:00 -
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even after two weeks?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:23:00 -
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Why?
Because it wasn't the poor leadership, horrific code, inability to have a transparent communication with the community, or terrible gear/item balancing that caused DUST 514 to fail.
It was obviously a failure because it was on a console with these filthy "console peasants" mucking it up.
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Ducttape Tinker
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:24:00 -
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Their name CCP
CANT CODE PROPERLY
The thingie is, they abadon Dust 514 from two possible reasons.
1.)CEO of CCP know problems around development and gave green for scam us (community money and ideas) for pc port of dust 514, what was renamed like "legion" from legal reasons.
2.)CEO of CCP was missinformed about experience of his team, possibilities of Ps3 and ps3 games and gave green for scam us (community money and ideas) for pc port of dust 514, what was renamed like "legion" from legal reasons.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:26:00 -
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So basically this is going to be the same redundant thread that will populate members the likes Mary Lilac. ResistanceGTA. Alabastor...basically the usual suspects.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:38:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So basically this is going to be the same redundant thread that will populate members the likes Mary Lilac. ResistanceGTA. Alabastor...basically the usual suspects.
No, no, please stay here, I want to know why, with possibly no trolls. Just an unbiased and impartial reason, seriously. |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why? Because it wasn't the poor leadership, horrific code, inability to have a transparent communication with the community, or terrible gear/item balancing that caused DUST 514 to fail. It was obviously a failure because it was on a console with these filthy "console peasants" mucking it up.
Loved the edit. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why? Because it wasn't the poor leadership, horrific code, inability to have a transparent communication with the community, or terrible gear/item balancing that caused DUST 514 to fail. It was obviously a failure because it was on a console with these filthy "console peasants" mucking it up.
That's it........let the smugness flow through you.
Eve Legion FTW!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:58:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote: Loved the edit.
I edited it because it was inflammatory, and non-constructive.
Statements of that nature are not posts that I like to make, as it serves to do nothing but distance the community that both Console and PC users are a part of.
The Gaming Community.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:01:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right?
Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general.
Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right? Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general. Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place.
I have both platforms.
Anyone who is one or the other about either deserves to get rick rolled.
I wouldn't take it so seriously.
Eve Legion FTW!
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right? Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general. Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place.
In fact in another thread I was farming the PC haters tears while you simultaneously farmed console haters tears lol.
Eve Legion FTW!
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:07:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Atiim wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right? Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general. Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place. In fact in another thread I was farming the PC haters tears while you simultaneously farmed console haters tears lol.
And I'd really love if this thread didn't end up like the others.
Also, edited the OP. |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:14:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Atiim wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right? Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general. Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place. In fact in another thread I was farming the PC haters tears while you simultaneously farmed console haters tears lol. And I'd really love if this thread didn't end up like the others. I'd just love if anybody could give me a good reason. For me, it's a nonsense . Even more so, considering we started playing this game on a ps3. Also, edited the OP.
OK.
Eve Legion FTW!
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:25:00 -
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Hilmar Petursson wrote:IGÇÖm getting personally very excited for the PlayStation 4. For all the softballs Microsoft is throwing [Sony's] way, theyGÇÖre knocking them out of the park. ItGÇÖs kind of amazing. The whole thing with the 8GB of GDDR5 memory is you can make pretty amazing games with that memory architecture. I think itGÇÖs going to be important in the future, rather than the CPU and the GPU. It gives you an easy path just to update the graphics just through increasing the texture resolution. I think thatGÇÖs hugely exciting.
When you read these kind of things then...
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/25/ccp-ceo-ps4s-8gb-ddr5-ram-to-be-important-in-the-future-hugely-exciting/ |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:26:00 -
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Legion is just a prototype on PC, it may well release on PS4 when its actually out. Valkyrie started off as just a PC prototype, but when the project got really serious, it got announced for PS4.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:27:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Hilmar Petursson wrote:IGÇÖm getting personally very excited for the PlayStation 4. For all the softballs Microsoft is throwing [Sony's] way, theyGÇÖre knocking them out of the park. ItGÇÖs kind of amazing. The whole thing with the 8GB of GDDR5 memory is you can make pretty amazing games with that memory architecture. I think itGÇÖs going to be important in the future, rather than the CPU and the GPU. It gives you an easy path just to update the graphics just through increasing the texture resolution. I think thatGÇÖs hugely exciting. When you read these kind of things then... http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/25/ccp-ceo-ps4s-8gb-ddr5-ram-to-be-important-in-the-future-hugely-exciting/ That is an awesome quote/series of quotes.
Hilmar has no idea what is happening in/with Dust does he?
This is all like 2 months before Mr. EA came to town.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:33:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Legion is just a prototype on PC, it may well release on PS4 when its actually out. Valkyrie started off as just a PC prototype, but when the project got really serious, it got announced for PS4.
Ok, I understand that, but...why? From what I understand of Economics, and, believe me if I tell you that I do understand Economics, it's a faulty move.
- Tons of other well established MMOFPS on PC - Hundreds of MMOs - Less total audience
- Most important, never mix up someone who can actually cheat / have better input devices with someone who can't in a competitive game.
I do endorse Eve Legion Project, it looks cool and, besides, it's the game that should have been on console, but let's just move on and try to stay on topic. |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:37:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Legion is just a prototype on PC, it may well release on PS4 when its actually out. Valkyrie started off as just a PC prototype, but when the project got really serious, it got announced for PS4. Ok, I understand that, but...why? From what I understand of Economics, and, believe me if I tell you that I do understand Economics, it's a faulty move. - Tons of other well established MMOFPS on PC - Hundreds of MMOs - Less total audience - Most important, never mix up someone who can actually cheat / have better input devices with someone who can't in a competitive game. I do endorse Eve Legion Project, it looks cool and, besides, it's the game that should have been on console, but let's just move on and try to stay on topic. To put it bluntly, CCP knows that they can not code.
CCP is also very cheap.
So they can either pony up the dough to hire proper coders and go to town re-writing all of the junk code they have for the game now, or they can use that junk code they have on a PC (where it was probably developed) and just try to throw horsepower at it.
As I said before, CCP is cheap, they went looking for the cheapest they could possibly make Dust 514, and they got what they paid for.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:46:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny..
I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all. |
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:52:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.. I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all.
Oh I think they have plenty as well.
Also, where do you think the trainwreck of a development team that developed Incarna went to after that fiasco? IF you guessed Dust I bet you are right.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:56:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny.. I do agree on that, but I don't think they don't have enough money. More than 500.000 subscribers are not a joke after all. Oh I think they have plenty as well. Also, where do you think the trainwreck of a development team that developed Incarna went to after that fiasco? IF you guessed Dust I bet you are right.
Oh, didn't know that.
I think that it has something to do with Nvidia partnership. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:14:00 -
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I believe the whole PC encompasses their vision being better realized on a platform that they started off with in the first place. I believe that it will be easier to update and make changes to the game instead of Sony's red tape approval process. I believe that Dust is a large undertaking for a console.
It is very simple to look at when you exclude self and see a bigger picture. This has been repeated in so many ways than one over the span of two weeks. It should be understood that folks didn't like the delivery. But how many times are we going to keep saying that? It should also be understood that some move was upcoming since the PS3 is a last gen console that will be slowly phased out.
It's not difficult to build a PC nor is it build one cheaply. It can be done. I rather CCP be on grounds that are familiar instead of one that is unfamiliar. I want to see the idea of mercenaries on ground that are involved in the New Eden universe materialize into something greater than it is now. If that means it going to PC so that can come into fruition, so be it.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 01:21:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I believe the whole PC encompasses their vision being better realized on a platform that they started off with in the first place.
All of the rest is debatable and/or subject to personal will/preferences, so I'll just take this.
This is not a reason. PS4 is a PC, it's even more dev-friendly, and you only have to optimize once.
Micheal Arck wrote:I rather CCP be on grounds that are familiar instead of one that is unfamiliar. I want to see the idea of mercenaries on ground that are involved in the New Eden universe materialize into something greater than it is now. If that means it going to PC so that can come into fruition, so be it.
The point is, why PC (considering the OP)? |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
907
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:30:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:I still can't understand why CCP decided to move the game on PC exclusive instead of improving, deleting and remaking or anything else on console. Someone please enlighten me.
- On a first thought, the only reason that came up to my mind was the inability to code for Playstation 3, which is a totally avoidable problem considering PS4 is just as dev-friendly as a PC. (even more, actually)
- Then I thought about Sony QA. But, again, this is a non-problem, considering it would take no more than 7 days. Also, Warframe is a great example of how well MMOs patching works for PS4.
- Sales says that Sony is leading the new-gen market with more that 7 mlns PS4 already sold, increasing at a constant rate. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
- A console in general gives you a more competitive gameplay: everyone's on the same system, with the same input. Impossible to use aimbot / hack in online games.
- It cost less. You can actually build a performing PC for a few more, but if you want to exactly replicate a PS4 hardware you'd spend much more.
So, why?
1. They can more easily control what goes into the game and pace of updates if the game is on PC.
2. They can charge subscription fees on PC.
Munch
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.16 03:11:00 -
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As stated CCP is cheap, losing ~$20M on world of darkness over eight years not withstanding.
Looking over the history of EVE is enlightening. At least half of their releases were trash. EVE Online is still not a decent game nor does it have adequate server support, google TiDi aka Time Dilation.
Now add to that our experience with dust and the Cannot Comprehend Programming side team in Shanghai. Releases of prototype information that were unintentional. Bugs that get re-introduced (indicative of bad source control or software management process, typical of mediocre game developers) and that odd fact that every single release has introduced more bugs while the last round of bugs produced by the previous release are still in abundance.
These show clearly that new things are important while bugs are not. I have no idea if the Chinese/Icelandic mentalities add or subtract to the problem but it is a common software development problem. Nobody likes working on the old crap but without it getting fixed the product will never actually get better.
The hard facts are obvious. The number of bugs that are game breaking is high. The number of bugs that derail enjoyment of the game are higher. Low level debugging of whether guns fire, hit targets and do damage correctly is beyond their capabilities. Object oriented programming seems to be beyond their abilities and one worries that moving EVE:VR to Unreal Engine 4 from Unity was a good idea. Granted that project lead is happier but one wonders if the game will suffer from the move as it does require more actual programming expertise than CCP has ever shown in their history.
Now we have Legion. A port (a very loose interpretation of the word) of dust to PC. They wanted to introduce a new group of customers to New Eden. Well, they did. They also taught them that CCP cannot be taken at their word.
And please take off the Sony tin foil hats. SOE has PS2 and a slew of F2P games (H1Z1 soon!). They already work on PC and are of a significant higher quality than dust ever achieved or Legion has any chance of achieving. This is the same development team after all. If Legion on the PC is successful CCP will never spend the funds to move it to PS4. The imbalance will be unsolvable much like the controller versus KB/M problems are in dust currently. Only it will be worse.
I agree that CCP believes that throwing brute PC horsepower will fix their code base. It will not. The target, firing, hit detection and weapons of all sorts not working are endemic to their code base. They have not fixed it and I suspect that without changing their network architecture that they ever can. Thus moving to a more PvE (even co-op) will produce a better product as you reduce the number of clients that have to register hits.
TL:DR Cannot Comprehend Programming is extremely cheap company and not very good at their only job. Game development. Legions await their ham fisted solutions with trepidation.
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:43:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I still can't understand why CCP decided to move the game on PC exclusive instead of improving, deleting and remaking or anything else on console. Someone please enlighten me.
- On a first thought, the only reason that came up to my mind was the inability to code for Playstation 3, which is a totally avoidable problem considering PS4 is just as dev-friendly as a PC. (even more, actually)
- Then I thought about Sony QA. But, again, this is a non-problem, considering it would take no more than 7 days. Also, Warframe is a great example of how well MMOs patching works for PS4.
- Sales says that Sony is leading the new-gen market with more that 7 mlns PS4 already sold, increasing at a constant rate. (http://www.vgchartz.com)
- A console in general gives you a more competitive gameplay: everyone's on the same system, with the same input. Impossible to use aimbot / hack in online games.
- It cost less. You can actually build a performing PC for a few more, but if you want to exactly replicate a PS4 hardware you'd spend much more.
So, why? 1. They can more easily control what goes into the game and pace of updates if the game is on PC. 2. They can charge subscription fees on PC. Munch
1. Sony's not strict on updates anymore, they can easily do the same on PS4
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed.
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:38:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Legion is just a prototype on PC, it may well release on PS4 when its actually out. Valkyrie started off as just a PC prototype, but when the project got really serious, it got announced for PS4. I can understand why they are swapping Valkyrie for Dust and why should console players , play Valkyrie if Dust couldn't work on a console ... I mean , how does this makes any sense and it seems like something else that's going on here and the console community is just not being informed .
What's going to make Valkyrie work where Dust wouldn't ???
You already have the fan base for Dust .
Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.16 12:42:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Atiim wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's it........let the smugness flow through you. You do realize that I'm being sarcastic right? Only a misguided fool would think that their gaming preference makes them superior to another. The same could be said about personal preferences in general. Not to mention, everyone on these forums is a "console peasant" (apologies for the derogative), otherwise you wouldn't be able to post here in the first place. In fact in another thread I was farming the PC haters tears while you simultaneously farmed console haters tears lol. And I'd really love if this thread didn't end up like the others. I'd just love if anybody could give me a good reason. For me, it's a nonsense . Even more so, considering we started playing this game on a ps3. Also, edited the OP.
Playerbase.
PC is friendlier to Eve players, who are their demographic here, and it being a freetoplay... Well, PC is home of the F2P, in the end.
And, of course, Sony was cutting a lot of red tape in the first place for CCP; I wouldn't be surprised if some of that red tape was part of the reasons for DUST's subpar nature...
I think that should answer you? In the end, though, this is all speculation in my part.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.16 13:04:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Playerbase.
PC is friendlier to Eve players, who are their demographic here, and it being a freetoplay... Well, PC is home of the F2P, in the end.
And, of course, Sony was cutting a lot of red tape in the first place for CCP; I wouldn't be surprised if some of that red tape was part of the reasons for DUST's subpar nature...
I think that should answer you? In the end, though, this is all speculation in my part.
I think that the 80 millions ps3 plan was not a bad plan after all. It would have been the first free to play MMOFPS on console. People tried it, did not like it and left. If they did a better job, even only on advertisement, fun and balancing, the player base would be the usual fps player base for a console, let's say it could easily be the initial Mag's 7000 players at any given hour. That's the player base they should have aimed for in my opinion, not eve players on another platform.
They're simply repeating history: making a more "user-friendly" skill tree, where weapons, equipments etc are locked for any class, and considering that any weapon, drop suit etc will be a BPO, they're actually making it a mag's / BF's clone, skill tree wise. In other words, it's yet another free to play MMOFPS with some sandbox elements, yet another FPS on a hugely inflated platform. By the time it comes out, they'll probably have to deal with some colossus like Star Citizen, No Man's Sky and Everquest Next, just to name a few. That's not my point of view, it's actually the truth: moving to PC, for this reason is totally wrong.
Quote:And, of course, Sony was cutting a lot of red tape in the first place for CCP; I wouldn't be surprised if some of that red tape was part of the reasons for DUST's subpar nature...
If Sony has to guarantee at least the playability of a product, we all should be graceful to Sony. Even if it was true, it's not even Sony's fault if the patches and stuff didn't work well on PS3. |
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