So basically this is going to be the same redundant thread that will populate members the likes Mary Lilac. ResistanceGTA. Alabastor...basically the usual suspects.

Why?

Because it wasn't the poor leadership, horrific code, inability to have a transparent communication with the community, or terrible gear/item balancing that caused DUST 514 to fail.

It was obviously a failure because it was on a console with these filthy "console peasants" mucking it up.

In fact in another thread I was farming the PC haters tears while you simultaneously farmed console haters tears lol.

IGÇÖm getting personally very excited for the PlayStation 4. For all the softballs Microsoft is throwing [Sony's] way, theyGÇÖre knocking them out of the park. ItGÇÖs kind of amazing. The whole thing with the 8GB of GDDR5 memory is you can make pretty amazing games with that memory architecture. I think itGÇÖs going to be important in the future, rather than the CPU and the GPU. It gives you an easy path just to update the graphics just through increasing the texture resolution. I think thatGÇÖs hugely exciting.

Legion is just a prototype on PC, it may well release on PS4 when its actually out. Valkyrie started off as just a PC prototype, but when the project got really serious, it got announced for PS4.

They are essentially tripping over a dollar to pick up a penny..

Oh I think they have plenty as well.

Also, where do you think the trainwreck of a development team that developed Incarna went to after that fiasco? IF you guessed Dust I bet you are right.

I believe the whole PC encompasses their vision being better realized on a platform that they started off with in the first place.

I rather CCP be on grounds that are familiar instead of one that is unfamiliar. I want to see the idea of mercenaries on ground that are involved in the New Eden universe materialize into something greater than it is now. If that means it going to PC so that can come into fruition, so be it.

1. They can more easily control what goes into the game and pace of updates if the game is on PC.

2. They can charge subscription fees on PC.


Munch

Playerbase.

PC is friendlier to Eve players, who are their demographic here, and it being a freetoplay...
Well, PC is home of the F2P, in the end.

And, of course, Sony was cutting a lot of red tape in the first place for CCP; I wouldn't be surprised if some of that red tape was part of the reasons for DUST's subpar nature...

I think that should answer you? In the end, though, this is all speculation in my part.

And, of course, Sony was cutting a lot of red tape in the first place for CCP; I wouldn't be surprised if some of that red tape was part of the reasons for DUST's subpar nature...

80M PS3s sold.

I know a couple of guys who are on their third PS3.

One of them doesn't play it anymore.

Saying '80M potential customers xDxDxD' is misleading at best.

Report: Global PC games market bigger, free-to-play still profitable

Just by the numbers on the graph I would say the answer is obvious. CCP wants to break into the F2P market on the PC where there is already a considerable fanbase that is willing to pay to play and wants a chance to stretch their legs rather than power up their spaceships.

Just because I really like seeing the raw data for this year alone I have another link you may find interesting: Computers sold this year worldwide

What too many people are failing to see is that the potential market for PS4/XB1 users is large but the PC market is much more vast, in 2009 the 2 billion mark was passed for PC sales. This year alone when last I checked the number of PCs sold (this year) was well over 107 Million and climbing, many of which have adequate hardware to play Eve.

Now that the numbers are out of the way for computers around the globe, I will add a few more to the mix, 11 years experience in maintaining, creating and balancing their PC game, Eve Online.

Anymore questions about why?

I think that is about it, we have already established that Dust in no way shape or form maxes out the PS3, and that there is an immense amount of optimization that *could* be performed. We have plenty of examples of being able to get more players online, making biger and more detailed maps, running better with more on screen....

We know that EvE has lower minimum requirements than the PS3. So CCP definitely knows how to work within system restraints.

I really think the ONLY plausible scenerio is that CCP honestly believes that the majority of the code-base can just be recycled using a brute-force technique on the PC.

Every time they add anything to Dust, performance suffers some. IF they decide to continue with this horribly optimized code, they will need to be able to continually increase the minimum requirements. This method will only be supported on the PC platform. Of course this just sounds like a completely boneheaded move.

It actually makes tons of sense. CCP submits a new patch to sony, sony then rejects it because it melts PS3s, CCP has to rewrite the code, resubmit, and so on. This is why it took forever for CCP to get content out, why they had to pull the new maps, and why they want to get away from any quality control that Sony has.

You can also see evidence of what decent code monkies can churn out, look at warframe. They can write a patch, submit it to sony and have it out within a week because the code will pass QA.

TLDR: CCP cannot write code that will pass Sony QA without getting kicked back a few times, something the majority of other developers can do.

The whole thing with the 8GB of GDDR5 memory is you can make pretty amazing games with that memory architecture. I think itGÇÖs going to be important in the future, rather than the CPU and the GPU. It gives you an easy path just to update the graphics just through increasing the texture resolution. I think thatGÇÖs hugely exciting.

One can only conclude that none of you understand business or statistics.

Why take Tech seriously....? He is like Sprk

Because the console doesnt have a nice big population of fanboys to pat their heads and tell them everything they are doing is ok

even after 2 weeks you still haven't figured out that PC is a far superior platform compared to the PS3?

Why PC?

Test server

Can you imagine how many problems could have been avoided if we could have tested new patches in a live environment prior to release?

I would say, yes... its worth it. I would suspect that CCP feels that way as well.

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This requires having to do a submission to Sony qa every test build this also means that CCP must pay Sony for store shelf of two games now Dust 514 and Dust 514 Test. and possibly more if more than one thing needs testing; currently eve online juggles singularity; multiplicity; and duality as test servers each running on different hamster wheels. So that's 4 clients I don't think the community can be bothered to work with. True we can stick to one to being logical but testing still takes it own qa and may just lag up the development to content delivery times even further.

In theory yes you can have a test server on a console environment. Is it practical? According to warframe so far; no and they use the pc as the test client and still mess things up on the ps4 side which can take a week to clear up.

Overall though CCP should monitor Warframe's patching strategy as warframe builds closer to lockstepping both of their clients. It suchs thier ps4 version is a month behind on many things and warframe is now providing Sony with the new level of mmo headaches and growing pains as dust 514 is no longer leading the charge on that.

If you don't understand by now you never will. That's part of the problem - the myopic console community.

We can speculate that all day. The reality is, CCP looks at its assets and its dev team and decided that the PC was a better choice for them at this time. That's pretty much the end of it.

We don't know everything about the development of Dust 514 or Legion, and any speculation you really want to make remains grossly uninformed at best.

Wait, Dust is being ripped away from the PS3?

1. True.

2. I guess they can lol all the way to the bank?


Munch

I'm willing to bet sony would refuse a test server... Even if it was viable.

CCP has pretty much admitted failure with Dust only thing they can do is release the EXACT same game on PC with minor differences and hopefully trick the community into giving more $$$ for a year or two if CCP is lucky.

IF the platform holders (Sony & Microsoft) allow us to update the code and data without restrictions and odious time consuming [quality control] procedures, IF they allow our community to openly interact with each other across platforms then I would CONSIDER supporting them.[...] As for which platform we would consider Sony has been the most outright in encouraging us to test dev kits.

The only thing I can think of then is that they want their game on the PC first. They are PC game developers after all... so its not a big stretch to conclude that.

They explained: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585

Why PC first? For a few different reasons... It's a scalable platform. We can go high spec for the most demanding players in terms of Gfx, but we can also scale down to low/mid spec to get critical mass. It's also a good platform for the early stage of a project like ours. You can test and balance the game and the economy quite easily with fast turn-arounds. We can set people up in testing environments easily (eg. ISD in EVE). If you've seen the "CCP Presents" presentation on Saturday at Fanfest, there was a talk about CCP refocusing on its core tech competency, which is PC. It allows in the future the creation of a "universe" of products on the same platform.

Many EVE players thought that CCP jumped ship to consoles first and they welcome the return. The fact of a small company developing games on multiple platforms just adds work without necessarily adding profits. The PS3 is a small underpowered console and the video card of many modern PCs contain more memory than the entire PS3. The PS4 is turning out to be more expensive to develop for (as is the X1) and that would be a huge negative for the decision. At least it would to me.

I find it VERY HARD to beleive that CCP has 500k subscribers 'right now'...... NOT POSSIBLE!!!!
That is the total number EVER subscribed.
MAX 30,000 eve players any given time. (average) those numbers have been FALLING!
As a side note, I created FREE accounts to troll EVE. You can get FREE time trials online.
Don't believe a word out of CCP's mouth. LIES LIES LIES!
If you want to look at the REAL numbers, CCP financial statements are also on line.
These clowns dropped a LOT OF LOOT into WOD......
LMAO.......EPIC FAIL