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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:16:00 -
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looks terrible. i can go buy a battlefield title right now and get the same thing with better development
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
90
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:24:00 -
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Signed. Never liked the look of it and just read the post that talks about respecs o god no plz no.
I would like to point out that watching the ccp keynote there was talk of the whole EVE:universe one character across 3 games having radically different skill systems in each game goes very much ageist this vision in my opinion |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
494
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:26:00 -
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/signed
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
2038
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:28:00 -
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Sure...
Besides the evidently rather biased OP, whats up with this new Progression System besides having everything organized into stupid Classes with ARs in a group with Assault suits?
Because you wanted to be something you're not.
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:31:00 -
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Signed, but I'm hoping he 1. cares about our criticism and 2. comes out with a prototype we can critique reasonably soon.
There is plenty we might be misinterpreting from what he wrote...
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
186
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:32:00 -
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I liked the old skill system in dust, it just needed a work over to be more newbie friendly and to not have so damn many sp sinks.
+1 |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
796
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:34:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:If it makes it to beta, there will already be far too much investment into the system to justify removing it Minotaur. Every other design choice in the game will revolve around it.
When the core of the game is so entirely bad that the community outright rejects it, you have the occasional, and very very rare, total reboot. That is what you are getting with Legion. They are not going to reboot a reboot. When Legion's system comes out, thats it. You're not getting another one.
Well, it is a good thing Legion is rather far away from beta, as I said. Plenty of time to give feedback and change things before they enter beta. There is time aplenty for on-paper feedback and in-action feedback. And CCP looks to be listening, this time.
Or perhaps that's just me, being not-pessimistic.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
2273
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:38:00 -
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The respecs needs to go as well, I agree.
And if I haven't yet, /Signed
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4087
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:11:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Sure...
Besides the evidently rather biased OP, whats up with this new Progression System besides having everything organized into stupid Classes with ARs in a group with Assault suits?
Well, everyone is biased. I'm just honest about it. |
Hyborean Strain
Immortal Guides
87
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:23:00 -
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Character classes have no place in Eve. I would agree to an extended set of tutorials which explain the different roles and even give you skillbooks towards them, but what's been suggested isn't that.
Amarr Victor!
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Samael Artico
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:35:00 -
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/Signed. |
Hammerhead LandSharkX
Liberum Sapiens Xenodochi
18
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:44:00 -
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I don't dislike his progression-but I do not like it 'in place of' the current freedom we have in dust514's progression. Here I posted a way I thought his progression could remain the 'accessible alternative' or guide to dust514's skill tree, without replacing it.
Do I think dust514's skill tree could use some tweaks? Absolutely.
Do I think something could/should be done to make the game and its progression more 'accessible' without loosing it's depth? Sure.
Do I think CCP Z's progression replacing the skill tree is the answer? No, not from what I've seen & understand.
Do I think both a tweaked dust 514 skill tree and CCP Z's progression can co-exist? Absolutely. |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
2812
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:54:00 -
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I would highly recommend you guys to post in the official Progression Discussion thread rather than making "petition threads" signing for something that is still on a very high level design concept. Post your feedback there, and CCP Z will listen. Petitions don't accomplish much, but direct feedback does through reasonable and constructive discussion.
CCP Frame
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:58:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:I would highly recommend you guys to post in the official Progression Discussion thread rather than making "petition threads" signing for something that is still on a very high level design concept. Post your feedback there, and CCP Z will listen. Petitions don't accomplish much, but direct feedback does through reasonable and constructive discussion.
Or apparently you can put his name in your title 
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:27:00 -
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+ 1 Signed
Because respecs,forcing roles and catering for the stupid are bad and not the way of new eden.
Respecs will keep me away from Legion.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4639
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:30:00 -
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I wrote this on my Twitter, but just as an FYI:
"Sigh...petitions on forums. I appreciate the effort but they don't really accomplish much and aren't accurately representative of sentiment."
Seriously, /signing things doesn't accomplish anything. There's literally a dedicated thread for interacting with CCP Z relating to Progression Stickied to the top of this subforum. Check it out, bros!
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1565
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:33:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:I wrote this on my Twitter, but just as an FYI:
"Sigh...petitions on forums. I appreciate the effort but they don't really accomplish much and aren't accurately representative of sentiment."
Seriously, /signing things doesn't accomplish anything. There's literally a dedicated thread for interacting with CCP Z relating to Progression Stickied to the top of this subforum. Check it out, bros!
Are you saying we can't post in both threads? I'm heartbroken, Saberwing.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4105
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:34:00 -
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Well... we kinda did check it out.
There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead."
See, that's where communication breaks down. We said our piece, he said his piece, and the overall impression is he's going to keep going with his plan regardless of whether or not the community wants it. It's pretty difficult to carry on a conversation in that manner.
So, this is a grander gesture of rejection. It's not like I wanted to make one of these. |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4639
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:35:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:I wrote this on my Twitter, but just as an FYI:
"Sigh...petitions on forums. I appreciate the effort but they don't really accomplish much and aren't accurately representative of sentiment."
Seriously, /signing things doesn't accomplish anything. There's literally a dedicated thread for interacting with CCP Z relating to Progression Stickied to the top of this subforum. Check it out, bros! Are you saying we can't post in both threads? I'm heartbroken, Saberwing.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Aoena Rays
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
457
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:36:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's not like I wanted to make one of these.
Yet you did and it didn't help a bit :D
CCP Rouge confirms your stuff will be moved from DUST to LEGION. Stop stupid biomassing.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4639
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:36:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Well... we kinda did check it out.
There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead."
See, that's where communication breaks down. We said our piece, he said his piece, and the overall impression is he's going to keep going with his plan regardless of whether or not the community wants it. It's pretty difficult to carry on a conversation in that manner.
So, this is a grander gesture of rejection. It's not like I wanted to make one of these.
Petitions don't accomplish anything because they don't accurately represent any sentiment. It automatically disqualifies people who would disagree with what you're saying, and even then, you're already selecting from a limited sample pool of people! (those that currently play DUST, understand the Progression system, etc).
Internet petitionz r bad.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4105
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:37:00 -
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Alright, so how would you recommend we deal with a developer who seems disinterested in using any feedback that doesn't agree with his initial vision? |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4639
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:38:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Alright, so how would you recommend we deal with a developer who seems disinterested in using any feedback that doesn't agree with his initial vision?
He's not disinterested at all - he's still interacting and discussing with you guys? I'd recommend doing it through constructive dialogue with the developer himself rather than creating an arbitrary petition.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4108
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:46:00 -
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Well, I'll go back to waiting but I am really not very optimistic from the exchanges ive seen so far. I'll try to be a little more patient with this.
Just saying though, the devs of old would back my petitions in a heartbeat. I guess the new school crowd just doesn't have what it takes to get with the movement... |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1566
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:46:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Alright, so how would you recommend we deal with a developer who seems disinterested in using any feedback that doesn't agree with his initial vision? He's not disinterested at all - he's still interacting and discussing with you guys? I'd recommend doing it through constructive dialogue with the developer himself rather than creating an arbitrary petition.
I'm sure you would say that. We who have been at the receiving end of his stubbornness feel differently.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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SirManBoy
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
570
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:52:00 -
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I truly enjoy the progression system and customization which are currently a part of Dust. Of all the things that I thought Legion was attempting to address, I did not suspect it would be in this area.
This is something about Dust that a lot of people like. Why are you pushing for an overhaul? |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2497
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:54:00 -
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+1 for the current system, tweak the current system don't remove it |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4640
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:57:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:I truly enjoy the progression system and customization which are currently a part of Dust. Of all the things that I thought Legion was attempting to address, I did not suspect it would be in this area.
This is something about Dust that a lot of people like. Why are you pushing for an overhaul?
Let's please discuss this in the appropriate thread (stickied here). It is something that current DUST players may find understandable and accesssible, yes. But that doesn't appropriately represent the vast number of people that jump in to the game and are simply overwhelmed, and drop off.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1569
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:59:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:SirManBoy wrote:I truly enjoy the progression system and customization which are currently a part of Dust. Of all the things that I thought Legion was attempting to address, I did not suspect it would be in this area.
This is something about Dust that a lot of people like. Why are you pushing for an overhaul? Let's please discuss this in the appropriate thread ( stickied here). It is something that current DUST players may find understandable and accesssible, yes. But that doesn't appropriately represent the vast number of people that jump in to the game and are simply overwhelmed, and drop off.
That's not the system's fault. The reason they don't understand it is because it's poorly presented.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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TrueXer0z
DUST University
Ivy League
549
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:13:00 -
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Petitions are a perfect way for a community to express their collective interests about a specific subject. It allows people who have the same opinion about a certain issue to acknowledge their view by supporting the view of another. Some people are not into typing elaborate posts that get eventually ignored or trolled. A simple:
/ Signed
show that they support what the petitioner is trying to accomplish. The only reason why they are irreverent are because you CCP devs choose to disregard them. Which is utter bullcrap. If someone else feels the opposite of the petitioner's view they can start their own and see how many people rally behind their point of view.
Petitions can be one of the best ways to gauge a community's overall perspective and shared opinions. By saying they don't matter is like saying the opinions of those involved don't matter.
Director, Dust University
@TrueXer0z
Kevall Longstride - CPM1
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