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CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4639	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:30:00 - [1] - Quote I wrote this on my Twitter, but just as an FYI: "Sigh...petitions on forums. I appreciate the effort but they don't really accomplish much and aren't accurately representative of sentiment." Seriously, /signing things doesn't accomplish anything. There's literally a dedicated thread for interacting with CCP Z relating to Progression Stickied to the top of this subforum. Check it out, bros! CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4639	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:35:00 - [2] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: I wrote this on my Twitter, but just as an FYI: "Sigh...petitions on forums. I appreciate the effort but they don't really accomplish much and aren't accurately representative of sentiment." Seriously, /signing things doesn't accomplish anything. There's literally a dedicated thread for interacting with CCP Z relating to Progression Stickied to the top of this subforum. Check it out, bros! Are you saying we can't post in both threads? I'm heartbroken, Saberwing. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4639	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:36:00 - [3] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Well... we kinda did check it out. There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead." See, that's where communication breaks down. We said our piece, he said his piece, and the overall impression is he's going to keep going with his plan regardless of whether or not the community wants it. It's pretty difficult to carry on a conversation in that manner. So, this is a grander gesture of rejection. It's not like I wanted to make one of these. Petitions don't accomplish anything because they don't accurately represent any sentiment. It automatically disqualifies people who would disagree with what you're saying, and even then, you're already selecting from a limited sample pool of people! (those that currently play DUST, understand the Progression system, etc). Internet petitionz r bad. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4639	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:38:00 - [4] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Alright, so how would you recommend we deal with a developer who seems disinterested in using any feedback that doesn't agree with his initial vision? He's not disinterested at all - he's still interacting and discussing with you guys? I'd recommend doing it through constructive dialogue with the developer himself rather than creating an arbitrary petition. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4640	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:57:00 - [5] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I truly enjoy the progression system and customization which are currently a part of Dust. Of all the things that I thought Legion was attempting to address, I did not suspect it would be in this area. This is something about Dust that a lot of people like. Why are you pushing for an overhaul? Let's please discuss this in the appropriate thread (stickied here). It is something that current DUST players may find understandable and accesssible, yes. But that doesn't appropriately represent the vast number of people that jump in to the game and are simply overwhelmed, and drop off. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4644	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:29:00 - [6] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Petitions are a perfect way for a community to express their collective interests about a specific subject. It allows people who have the same opinion about a certain issue to acknowledge their view by supporting the view of another. Some people are not into typing elaborate posts that get eventually ignored or trolled. A simple: / Signed show that they support what the petitioner is trying to accomplish. The only reason why they are irreverent are because you CCP devs choose to disregard them. Which is utter bullcrap. If someone else feels the opposite of the petitioner's view they can start their own and see how many people rally behind their point of view. Petitions can be one of the best ways to gauge a community's overall perspective and shared opinions. By saying they don't matter is like saying the opinions of those involved don't matter. Doesn't look like you read my previous posts before replying. I explained why Forum Petitions are not an accurate representation of Community sentiment. They absolutely do not gauge overall perspective and shared opinions by their very nature. It's a self-selecting sample pool (people don't really sign "against" a proposal). Additionally, their very placement on these forums already limits participation to those invested and with an understanding of the Progression system (so much so, that they post on our forums. Forums represent ~10% of any total Community investment. So, we're generally talking the super hardcore. I'm not discounting your personal opinion, but internet petitions aren't serious business and I sigh when I see them. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian


CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4645	Posted - 2014.05.15 06:04:00 - [7] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: Wow, man.... Even is it was 3-4 people who /sign any petition it sure as hell means something to them. What you just said essentially is because the petition doesn't meet your personal standards of community communication that every single person's opinion who made the effort to sign said petition doesn't matter. Not at all. Don't try and misquote me I specifically said this: CCP Saberwing wrote: I'm not discounting your personal opinion What I was expressing is how the medium of internet petitions, particularly on forums, are subject to bias by their very nature. Edit: This is what I meant to post as a reply. Doh! CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

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