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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

I can't say if I like it or not, as there is often a disparity between how things function in action and how they look on paper. Let us all beta test, so we can give an informed opinion.

But... based on what little I know, I am leaning towards not liking it, as it seems to remove a significant amount of customization and freedom of progression, and it seems to promote waste.

While it seems a reasonable request to "just try it" I would like to remind you that a lack of options on paper isn't going to feel more acceptable when your options are taken away from you for real.

And I would also like to point out that the further CCP gets into this progression tree development, the less likely they are to back out -- even if the entire fanbase is in an uproar over how bad it is. They want to tie equipment consumption, blueprints, even matchmaking to this system. This isn't a thing they can suddenly change when it gets bad feedback. It has to be killed before its born.


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Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 795	Posted - 2014.05.14 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote I can't say if I like it or not, as there is often a disparity between how things function in action and how they look on paper. Let us all beta test, so we can give an informed opinion. But... based on what little I know, I am leaning towards not liking it, as it seems to remove a significant amount of customization and freedom of progression, and it seems to promote waste.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 795	Posted - 2014.05.14 23:25:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I can't say if I like it or not, as there is often a disparity between how things function in action and how they look on paper. Let us all beta test, so we can give an informed opinion. But... based on what little I know, I am leaning towards not liking it, as it seems to remove a significant amount of customization and freedom of progression, and it seems to promote waste. While it seems a reasonable request to "just try it" I would like to remind you that a lack of options on paper isn't going to feel more acceptable when your options are taken away from you for real. And I would also like to point out that the further CCP gets into this progression tree development, the less likely they are to back out -- even if the entire fanbase is in an uproar over how bad it is. They want to tie equipment consumption, blueprints, even matchmaking to this system. This isn't a thing they can suddenly change when it gets bad feedback. It has to be killed before its born. So... CCP will cripple themselves, and not learn from feedback and the entire fustercluck of DUST? All because they are a few measly months into development of a game (which normally take YEARS to develop) AND has not even been greenlit? I don't buy it. Especially now that they are doing this on their home turf. If the game got out of beta with the progression system and all the tie-ins, I'd share your concern. But so far, the game still seems to be in pre-alpha or thereabout. I doubt CCP will shoot themselves in the foot again. Change it now, or don't. Either way, I want something in my hands to feel, to test, and to give informed feedback on. Words on paper (or in this case, pixels on a screen) only go so far.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 796	Posted - 2014.05.15 00:34:00 - [3] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If it makes it to beta, there will already be far too much investment into the system to justify removing it Minotaur. Every other design choice in the game will revolve around it. When the core of the game is so entirely bad that the community outright rejects it, you have the occasional, and very very rare, total reboot. That is what you are getting with Legion. They are not going to reboot a reboot. When Legion's system comes out, thats it. You're not getting another one. Well, it is a good thing Legion is rather far away from beta, as I said. Plenty of time to give feedback and change things before they enter beta. There is time aplenty for on-paper feedback and in-action feedback. And CCP looks to be listening, this time. Or perhaps that's just me, being not-pessimistic.