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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
981
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:20:00 -
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Sure, why not. Signed.
DUST (Legion?) should be more like EVE, not less.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4644
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:29:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:Petitions are a perfect way for a community to express their collective interests about a specific subject. It allows people who have the same opinion about a certain issue to acknowledge their view by supporting the view of another. Some people are not into typing elaborate posts that get eventually ignored or trolled. A simple:
/ Signed
show that they support what the petitioner is trying to accomplish. The only reason why they are irreverent are because you CCP devs choose to disregard them. Which is utter bullcrap. If someone else feels the opposite of the petitioner's view they can start their own and see how many people rally behind their point of view.
Petitions can be one of the best ways to gauge a community's overall perspective and shared opinions. By saying they don't matter is like saying the opinions of those involved don't matter.
Doesn't look like you read my previous posts before replying.
I explained why Forum Petitions are not an accurate representation of Community sentiment. They absolutely do not gauge overall perspective and shared opinions by their very nature.
It's a self-selecting sample pool (people don't really sign "against" a proposal). Additionally, their very placement on these forums already limits participation to those invested and with an understanding of the Progression system (so much so, that they post on our forums. Forums represent ~10% of any total Community investment. So, we're generally talking the super hardcore.
I'm not discounting your personal opinion, but internet petitions aren't serious business and I sigh when I see them.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1574
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:39:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:but internet petitions aren't serious business and I sigh when I see them.
You know what is serious business? Your playerbase.
I suggest you start paying more attention to it.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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TrueXer0z
DUST University
Ivy League
553
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:58:00 -
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Wow, man....
Even is it was 3-4 people who /sign any petition it sure as hell means something to them. What you just said essentially is because the petition doesn't meet your personal standards of community communication that every single person's opinion who made the effort to sign said petition doesn't matter.
Edit: Oops, Saberwing here. Instead of replying I edited your post. Honest mistake, I tried to paste back as much as I could. Fail!
Director, Dust University
@TrueXer0z
Kevall Longstride - CPM1
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
4645
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:04:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:
Wow, man....
Even is it was 3-4 people who /sign any petition it sure as hell means something to them. What you just said essentially is because the petition doesn't meet your personal standards of community communication that every single person's opinion who made the effort to sign said petition doesn't matter.
Not at all. Don't try and misquote me  I specifically said this:
CCP Saberwing wrote:I'm not discounting your personal opinion
What I was expressing is how the medium of internet petitions, particularly on forums, are subject to bias by their very nature.
Edit: This is what I meant to post as a reply. Doh!
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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TrueXer0z
DUST University
Ivy League
554
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:18:00 -
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Petitions are supposed to be biased. They gather collective interests. They are not meant for debate. People who sign are saying. "I DON'T like the CCP z progression system." They are just expressing it with a /signed. If 500 people signed this thread then what? Would it still be something glanced at but overlooked? Or would you see the cry to be heard by those people as legitimate.
Legitimacy is the real issue here. The venue in which a voice is heard should not let the point that has attempted to be made any less legitimate. The fact alone that any individual post has any type of constructive way of expressing their opinion should never be sighed about or shrugged off. That includes the individuals who simply
/Signed
Director, Dust University
@TrueXer0z
Kevall Longstride - CPM1
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Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:34:00 -
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Instead of forcing us to post in a discussion threadnought and telling us petitions are bad.
How about you guys from CCP doing a poll about it ?
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:37:00 -
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Signed +1
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2699
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:57:00 -
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Signed.
Do not force us into roles.
Do not waste time on revamping the system from scratch. Use that time to design a UI tooltip for the NPE.
And for the love of god, do not ever let item classifications like common/uncommon/rare EVER be mentioned again in the context of New Eden.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2701
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead."
This is exactly what I meant when posting this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158859#post2158859
He doesnt take our concerns into consideration. Why should we even bother giving feedback now?
If you want to listen to us, listen.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1577
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:54:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead."
This is exactly what I meant when posting this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158859#post2158859He doesnt take our concerns into consideration. Why should we even bother giving feedback now? If you want to listen to us, listen.
Chances are, he just wants us to spit out ideas that work well with his vision, take those suggestions, and ignore the rest of the feedback. It's a smart thing to do for a game developer, though I still hate him for it.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2702
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:13:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
There's a lot of "This is what I'm trying to do. I understand what you want, but this is what I'm trying to do instead."
This is exactly what I meant when posting this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158859#post2158859He doesnt take our concerns into consideration. Why should we even bother giving feedback now? If you want to listen to us, listen. Chances are, he just wants us to spit out ideas that work well with his vision, take those suggestions, and ignore the rest of the feedback. It's a smart thing to do for a game developer, though I still hate him for it.
Its a strategy CCP uses consistently when developing Dust 514, why would they change for EVE: Legion?
And no, I am not tinfoiling here. There has been to many examples of this happening earlier.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2095
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:04:00 -
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signed
PSN: RationalSpark
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2095
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:13:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:signed
Our current system needs some love: pruning/modifying the dead 'unlock' skills, making basic frames viable, especially for new players.
Couple that relatively small bit of work with a training overlay and we've got a system that works for everybody, regardless of their involvement, intelligence or their unfamiliarity with New Eden. It also satisfies and rewards experienced players. Win-win.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1227
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:39:00 -
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Good thing that CCP is keeping DUST 514 running, so that when the abomination that is Legion dies in a couple of years they still got the DUST 514 code-base to which to port the non-derpy parts. |
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
580
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Posted - 2014.05.15 10:07:00 -
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lol
Part man, part Internet.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1584
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Posted - 2014.05.15 10:22:00 -
[77] - Quote
Because even developers need to make unproductive posts on occasion.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3360
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:17:00 -
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Signed yes.
Eve Legion FTW!
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3360
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:19:00 -
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I think that skills 2 and 4 should always contribute and not be a sink as well.
Eve Legion FTW!
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3360
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:22:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:To be clear, I do give CCP Z credit for trying to do something new for the game. This is definitely not an attack on his efforts, it just isn't a good fit for this game at all.
Unlocking stuff and it being infinite because magic does not appeal to me in the slightest and would take a whole other dimension out of the game.
Eve Legion FTW!
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gbh08
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:46:00 -
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aye skill tree dont sound that great, as already said, I dont want to waste sp unlocking suits that im not going to use just to get to the gun I want  |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
512
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:51:00 -
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The current skill tree fits very well with how I look for new skills and check on my current ones. This is something that should definitely be improved through evolution rather than revolution. |
Tweaksz
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
100
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:00:00 -
[83] - Quote
+1 and Signed
Pill Popping Madness!
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
988
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:40:00 -
[84] - Quote
C'mon, OP. Edit your post with a list of the names of people who have /signed. Saberwing says it doesn't matter, but do it just for giggles.
DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
507
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:02:00 -
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He needs to actually consider how significant a PC move will be, and not just arrogantly ask for 'high level non-specific feedback' and dismiss it outright. We get it, things need to change in a major way.
Everything I have seen so far is a recipe for failure. Less customizable, more SP sinks, and prototype BPOs for all! *facepalm
Luk Manag - is in favor of change, but not CCP Z's changes. He needs help.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Karl Koekwaus
227
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:03:00 -
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/signed
doing stuff that like that gives the game WOW like gear grind stuff :(
also, lol respecs so bad.
Micheal Jackson died for my sins
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2097
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:02:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:/signed
doing stuff that like that gives the game WOW like gear grind stuff :(
also, lol respecs so bad.
The truly bone-chilling implication of all this is that DUST 514 may very well end up being the best shooter that New Eden ever had.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Raydeus Christin
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:20:00 -
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+1 Signed.
Sorry, I may be very excited about Legion and really like the concept, but the one thing that sets EVE and Dust apart (and better) is the way progression is handled.
I understand what they are trying to accomplish, and it would make perfect sense for another IP. But it makes absolutely no sense for a game set in the EVE universe.
I'm not really interest in playing World of Legioncraft. |
Selinate deux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
186
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:36:00 -
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He posted a thread about this topic already. It's not even set in stone and is barely even drawn in the sand. Just post in the thread and try and tell him directly what you want. This thread is completely useless. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
467
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:37:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:He posted a thread about this topic already. It's not even set in stone and is barely even drawn in the sand. Just post in the thread and try and tell him directly what you want. This thread is completely useless.
Agreed. But stubborn kids here will never stop "signing petitions" :D
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