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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
3529
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:45:00 -
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As some of you may be aware I am winding down my in-game activities for the time being in order to focus my efforts on RL. Now that said I will also take this opportunity to focus my efforts on finishing out my CPM0 term as well. As this time I have no plans to run for CPM1, but I have a few goals that I will continue to press for moving forward.
First, I will continue to push CCP to be open with you all about future Dust 514 development. With recent discussions I feel that CCP is working actively towards this goal. I will be reserved in my expectations, but I feel that with the right direction CCP can improve not only the Dust experience but use that improved experience to the benefit of Project Legion as well. Even if the bandwidth avail to Dust has been decreased there is so much that can still be accomplished.
Second, in order to bring clarity to the future I will continue working with the community on the #greenlightlegion campaign so that all of the players can have confidence that Duster experience in New Eden will have a future for many years and decades to come. This will also include working with CCP to retrospectively look at the Project Legion announcement, acknowledge the mistakes, and learn where to improve moving forward so that transparency, openness, and a strong relationship with the community can become a mantra that CCP lives by.
Third, I will continue to advocate for the CPM1 elections to be held ASAP. In my opinion this was our primary mandate as CPM-and while the white papers were a great step in that direction I cannot and will not rest until you are able to cast your votes for your representatives. The Dust 514 community is here and deserves a voice and a chance to continue the process of building a working relationship with CCP and the community.
Forth, I had some very important conversations with players like Aeon about the need for the ISD to have a presence in Dust and far into the future. These conversations turned into impromptu face-to-face discussions with CCP Rouge, CCP TIme Runner, and CCP Saberwing that then led to some positive movements in the Sunday summit meeting. I see many areas where ISD or ISD-like institutions can help be a force multiplier for both the community and for CCP. Players have been trying for years to establish an ISD presence in Dust and it's time that their dedication and hard work be taken seriously. I will do what I can to identify any barriers blocking this from moving forward and work with CCP to not only identify solutions but act boldly on those solutions moving forward.
Last, I am committed to advocating for the preservation of Dust 514 players' financial and time investments into New Eden and will continue to press CCP to be open an honest about the transfer process moving forward with Project Legion. My personal feelings are that all aspects of our characters should be preserved as much as possible in a way that doesn't hinder Game Design in realizing the vision of Dust 514 through Project Legion. As part of this future vision I will also continue to advocate strongly that throughout the development process of Project Legion that CCP always consider a future on the PS4.
One of the reasons I decided become CPM was that I fell in love with this community and I wanted to see it have an elected voice. What happened with Legion at FanFest broke my heart, but sticking my head in the sand or telling CCP to shove it does nothing but satisfy base desires for recompense. There is more work to do than ever for the CPM and that will be my focus. Please understand that actions in-game are just that and my task as a CPM councilor is something I approach as a real life task as David. Whether you love me or hate me in-game I will advocate for you as best I can and push forward to continue to make CPM 1 a reality and ensure that the Dust 514 community is heard.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
14992
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:58:00 -
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It was an honor and great experience working with you.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
3532
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:It was an honor and great experience working with you.
You as well. I only wish the community could truly understand the invaluable asset that you have been to the community through CPM as our secretary. 90% of what you have done will never be seen by the community, but I have seen your hard work and will do my best to honor what you have done for us all.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Final Resolution.
1812
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:42:00 -
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Good luck with your real life endeavors mate.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1288
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:56:00 -
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My conversations both Kane both digital and real have always been productive.
RL should always be your main priority big I hope your still around for a while to come o7.
CPM1 Candidate
CEO of DUST University
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Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
1218
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Posted - 2014.05.13 17:07:00 -
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support the #greenlightlegion campaign! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161542
Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ?
twitter.com/dustreports
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
2430
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:24:00 -
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Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?) |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:28:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:(Shots fired?)
Shots fired confirmed. Dispatching police LAVs to intercept. (woop woop!)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
9629
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:34:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?) OH SNAP
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Zaria Min Deir
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
653
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:36:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?) OH SNAP Much snap.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2934
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:50:00 -
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CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2380
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:18:00 -
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Just a reminder, this is the Council's Chamber, not the War Room. Please keep such rhetoric and chicanery over there.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2630
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:39:00 -
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Wow. Just wow.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Militia Locus Grenade
Militia BPO's
39
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:43:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
Really poor on your part to call him out publicly. That being said, well done. You confirmed what we all suspected. That Dave the CPM and Kane the player are the same person. |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.05.13 19:46:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
WAS CONVINCED ALL CPM WERE PUSSIES
NOVA IS MY HERO
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Kain Spero
3544
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:15:00 -
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I'm sorry Nova that you took my post in that light. We can continue to discuss your personal issues with me in private. As far as I am concerned councilors are always blue with each other whether at FanFest or anywhere else.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1511
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:32:00 -
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YES!!!! Cutting to the core in a way that only a Nova Knife can.
I love it!
"I've made a huge mistake."
-G.O.B. Bluth
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1671
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:45:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I'm sorry Nova that you took my post in that light. We can continue to discuss your personal issues with me in private. As far as I am concerned councillors are always blue with each other whether at FanFest or anywhere else. Are these "personal issues"? Seems to me like we should know who the people representing us are.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
629
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:01:00 -
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:: Slowly Backs Away ::
How 'bout them Tanks? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2524
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:10:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:How 'bout them Tanks?
Militarization of the police force is a huge concern in society today. Woop woop LAVs are more than enough equipment for the police to do their jobs.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1672
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:21:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote: Militarization of the police force is a huge concern in society today. Woop woop LAVs are more than enough equipment for the police to do their jobs.
Can I request that, should you be elected, you push for LAV variants, one of which being Woop Woop Lav's?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1289
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:47:00 -
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Ok. I know I'm not privy to the internal politics of the CPM but that seemed overly harsh Nova and certainly not something that should be aired publicly without imternal dialogue.
Maybe Kane should've run the wording past the rest of you first but I personally got no great sense of self-aggrandisement from the OP. Merely that someone was stepping down for personall reasons.
Perhaps Kane merits the tongue lashing, maybe he doesn't. I've not worked with on a daily basis as you have Nova. But dragging the talk and tone of The War Room to The Council Chamber isn't really very seemly. Just my opinion you understand.
CPM1 Candidate
CEO of DUST University
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1672
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:59:00 -
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It pains me that I have to take the time to clarify a few things here, but such is necessary in cases like this.
First and foremost I'd like to echo Nova in that Kane's original post is indeed an excellent summary of the focal points of the council's current work. That said, the message Kane delivered should have been delivered as a group statement, rather than a personal one, as it inappropriately carried the implication that Kane was somehow alone in advocating for such things. For this I take personal responsibility. As CPM0 Chair, I should have worked with the group and produced a statement along these lines earlier, instead of allowing one of the council members to take personal credit and warp the message (whether intentional or not).
Secondly, regarding the claim that Kane's proposals were somehow selfish in nature, the same criticism could just as easily be leveled at me for advocating for Faction Warfare fixes given my history with that particular sub-community. The reality is that all proposals that are good for the game as a whole will align with personal interests of council members from time to time, and this both normal and perfectly acceptable.
Lastly, while anyone (including Nova Knife) is entitled to an extremely cynical view of Kane's motivations, there was absolutely nothing constructive or respectful about lashing out at Kane publicly here, except for (ironically) to get an equal amount of kudos from gawkers who delight in controversy.
We're all human of course, and under an immense amount of fatigue and stress. However, both the original statement and the subsequent response here represent poor judgement on behalf of the council as a whole, and for that I take full responsibility as well. I've spoken again to the group about the importance of teamwork especially during tough times, and I can only hope that prospective CPM1 candidates can learn from our mistakes and behave more professionally in the future. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
789
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Posted - 2014.05.13 23:03:00 -
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*popcorn machine explodes*
*RDV flies in a bigger popcorn machine*
Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
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Appia Nappia
687
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Posted - 2014.05.14 00:03:00 -
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I enjoy watching many posts just disappear from this thread.
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
790
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Posted - 2014.05.14 00:15:00 -
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Appia Nappia wrote:I enjoy watching many posts just disappear from this thread.
Was wondering why I ran out of popcorn, the RDV was supposed to bring more.
Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
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CCP Blowout
C C P C C P Alliance
343
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:09:00 -
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And I thought I was the forum troll. |
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Tallen Ellecon
1923
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:33:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll.
I don't even know what you are?
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CCP Blowout
C C P C C P Alliance
343
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:34:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are?
I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads. |
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
751
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:44:00 -
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What I got out of this thread:
1. CPM0 were instrumental in pushing for things that needed pushing, and preventing many things that could have gone badly. 2. Kane is as narcissistic as I suspected 3. Nova was right to call him out, but wrong to do so publicly 4. Hans is still a cool dude and I would have his smooth-talking babies
Dust/Eve transfers
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
6076
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:27:00 -
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When even the dev calls you out on BS..........
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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smartlayer
What The French Red Whines.
136
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Posted - 2014.05.14 08:16:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
Word
And to Kane Spero : go away in silence
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1293
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:33:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are? I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.
It's a job I guess.
CPM1 Candidate
CEO of DUST University
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2650
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:17:00 -
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Best thread is best.
QQ Kane.
This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
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Dalmont Legrand
416
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:19:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
Sometimes saying is just enough.
The best is yet to come
CPM1 Candidate
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Dalmont Legrand
416
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:21:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I'm sorry Nova that you took my post in that light. We can continue to discuss your personal issues with me in private. As far as I am concerned councillors are always blue with each other whether at FanFest or anywhere else. Are these "personal issues"? Seems to me like we should know who the people representing us are.
That is why some debates of candidates are an important part of elections but even there we can fake being what we are in real life and the one who sees the truth in men is the one who really is a man of word. #propstosmartlayer
The best is yet to come
CPM1 Candidate
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
241
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:27:00 -
[37] - Quote
Nova knife is a hero of the people. +9001 to that guy. |
Ric Barlom
419
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Posted - 2014.05.14 16:28:00 -
[38] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?) Oh no you didn't! God dammit! Boomshakalaka!
Who gave out my Monday to Friday phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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843 Epidemic
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
1210
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
Saberwing's face whilst reading this
Ok, that link messed up big time. But I will not alter it. Witness my failure
Brb, sister needs the TV
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TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3352
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:17:00 -
[40] - Quote
About that LSD
Do not try to peel your skin off!
You are not an orange!
You are a real human!
I only just realised how that may seem!
I think I'll leave it actually!
Good luck with that RL stuff!
Eve Legion FTW!
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noobsniper the 2nd
Kestrel Mercenary Group
544
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Posted - 2014.05.14 17:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Kain just got **** on GG no re
CEO of Kestrel Mercenary Group
Recruitment status: open
No scrubs allowed that means you random blueberry
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Fiddlestaxp
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
908
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:13:00 -
[42] - Quote
Cool CPM fight brahs, I too wish to make accusations without being able to back them up with evidence because of an NDA. Does anyone have an NDA I can sign so that I might do so? |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
5110
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:18:00 -
[43] - Quote
QQ Kane
Add me on League! :zMarauder
Psn: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
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lionshead nebula
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
142
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:43:00 -
[44] - Quote
Fiddlestaxp wrote:Cool CPM fight brahs, I too wish to make accusations without being able to back them up with evidence because of an NDA. Does anyone have an NDA I can sign so that I might do so?
I'm at work but I do have one that entitles me to your soul.
It's simple dust needs an overlord and I personally believe in CCP Rogue. Bow to CCP Rogue!!
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5640
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2708
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once.
We need the news that Dust 514 will be shut down, and all focus is on getting us into EVE: Legion pre-alpha before the end of the summer. Everything will turn out to be one of the biggest PR failures in the gaming industry otherwise.
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Kinky Fat Bastard
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:42:00 -
[47] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. We need the news that Dust 514 will be shut down, and all focus is on getting us into EVE: Legion pre-alpha before the end of the summer. Everything will turn out to be one of the biggest PR failures in the gaming industry otherwise.
I'm surprised it hasn't been plastered all over the forums yet.. According to Dust IRC they are pulling the plug in November.
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Kinky Fat Bastard
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:43:00 -
[48] - Quote
Kane - go quietly into the night, do not come to Legion, we don't want you. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
1485
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:54:00 -
[49] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are? I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads. While your modified Oppenheimer quote is funny you still lose to CCP Logibro on destroyed threads
(GÿPn+ƒpâ«n+ƒ)GÿP Set a course for intercourse Gÿ£(n+ƒpâ«n+ƒGÿ£)
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University Ivy League
239
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
Kinky Fat Bastard wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. We need the news that Dust 514 will be shut down, and all focus is on getting us into EVE: Legion pre-alpha before the end of the summer. Everything will turn out to be one of the biggest PR failures in the gaming industry otherwise. I'm surprised it hasn't been plastered all over the forums yet.. According to Dust IRC they are pulling the plug in November.
quit playing games with my hart.
GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
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890p
COMPLEXITY CLONES
0
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Posted - 2014.05.15 13:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
Quote (Kane - go quietly into the night, do not come to Legion, we don't want you.)
Noo he should get a proper burial. The one I have in mind now is similar to what jesus got... he should get enough of attention there slowly drying up on the cross ;) Dies for all his and his friends' sins. its a win-win situation |
End is Near
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. You don't have enough likes.............scrub. Here have another. Like generator 514. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3341
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:14:00 -
[53] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once.
Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected...
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
533
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:40:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are? I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads. Are you batman
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
2247
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:46:00 -
[55] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected...
Yea wait until some of them have to be around each other week after week butting heads... They will fight like brothers & sisters after to long. Honeymoons don't last forever
Lol sorry Fox I just had to poke
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D4GG3R
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
255
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:34:00 -
[56] - Quote
Zaria Min Deir wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?) OH SNAP Much snap. Such snap.
Shout out to all my Pre-1.8 scout brothers!
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2538
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
Zion Shad wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected... Yea wait until some of them have to be around each other week after week butting heads... They will fight like brothers & sisters after to long. Honeymoons don't last forever Lol sorry Fox I just had to poke
A lot of us have been communicating for months already. :)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact The East India Co.
3935
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
Post of the f*cking year, run for CPM1 I will elect in a heart beat.
Try EVE for free
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
509
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:43:00 -
[59] - Quote
Kane do you really think we want to know that you are leaving? you made this post for yourself.
leave in silence.
Permanent Beta Tester || MAG Vet, SVER Scrub For Life
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
227
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:03:00 -
[60] - Quote
What precedence has past CSM (Eve Online Council) public criticism on each other have on a Current CPM council public criticism and removal of CPM Member. My question is CCP Logibro actions are they inline with CSM Council discipline. Nova was removed would a current CSM be removed if same posts were posted. Something to think about. |
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
2286
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:05:00 -
[61] - Quote
Nova Knife wrote:Snark.
If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".
However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.
I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.
I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.
Just saying.
(Shots fired?)
Shots fired indeed. Np Master, I got yo back
click me
Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4163
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Posted - 2014.05.15 23:08:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP Blowout wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:CCP Blowout wrote:And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are? I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5643
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:12:00 -
[63] - Quote
Fox Gaden wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected...
There's a lot of candidates. The list of people who -aren't- running for CPM1 is probably smaller than the list of people who are. Unfortunately for many hopefuls, the white paper sort of nyxes a lot of the candidates because many aren't willing to give out real-life, personal information on top of having a passport. So, to say I'm not relieved about that would be lying.
Another thing is that some "candidates" are intending to press their agenda/their corporation/alliances' agenda. This is laughable at worst and insulting at best. Those are the kind of candidates that would do more harm than good for the game, in my opinion. Mostly on the assumption that CCP just wouldn't listen to them but even worse if they actually did.
The candidates I'm most interested in seeing become elected are the players who question CCP, the players who ask "why?" whenever someone comes up with some whack job idea. To be honest, being the sarcastic (expletive deleted) that I am I actually have a fond appreciation of the guys who are brutal on the forums in the way that they express this. There is no better candidate than the man (or woman) who can look at an idea beyond it "being cool" and actually question what functionality it would have in the game. That kind of skepticism is what saves the community -AND- the developers from wasted time, money, and assets.
I do intend to run myself, but not for the same reasons as your typical candidate. Mostly because their reasons generally amuse me and in some cases, frustrate me. The "candidates" who say that they will "represent everybody" and will "tell CCP like it is" make a mockery of anyone who's called themselves a representative. Beyond it being an outright lie (you can't represent everyone, not with the amorphous amount of personalities and directions in the community) it's certainly not in the interest of the game's health. A lot of things that are necessary for the game's meaningful progression and health are contrary to the community's interests. To elaborate with a terrible example, we all generally want to be powerful (god mode invincibility) in a game but it's generally not a good idea.
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J0LLY R0G3R
Legion Alpha Tester
818
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Posted - 2014.05.16 02:47:00 -
[64] - Quote
^XD if and when elected. I shall do everything opposite of him^
PS4 psn = J0LLYxR0G3R
Underscore before and after the x
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Patoman Radiant
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2014.05.16 03:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
If someone is a leader of a major corp and stepping down, and saying they won't run in future CPM that is noteworthy. So I am not sure why it wouldn't be mentioned unless someone wanted to sneak away in the night.
Of course nova knife stabbed himself in the foot, if he had a issue about Kane taking too much credit he could have taken more credit himself in the current cmp and in the future one. Though now who knows.
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French Red Whines.
2296
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Posted - 2014.05.16 07:36:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote: there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks
I need to call Bull when I see it. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do"
The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position.
Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is.
Just saying.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP !
Ah if only i still gave a crap about any of this, would have been a fun time pitching in.
He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
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Captain-Awesome
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:21:00 -
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I'm only here to say hi to Cazaderon, stupid frenchman never comes to IRC anymore! WHAT DID I DO TO SEND YOU AWAY!
> Registered: March 2011
>Role: Logistics
Waiting for dust to go on PS4
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Dalmont Legrand
425
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:32:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.
More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.
Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once. Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected... Yea wait until some of them have to be around each other week after week butting heads... They will fight like brothers & sisters after to long. Honeymoons don't last forever Lol sorry Fox I just had to poke A lot of us have been communicating for months already. :)
And then appears guy like me and tells truth about everyone just to grab some popcorn later one and watch it all happening on a big screen.
The best is yet to come
CPM1 Candidate
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Tesfa Alem
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:46:00 -
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Please do nothing of the sort. Resign. Do not focus on Legion, don't concentrate on whats left of DUST 514. Resign. You embarrased yourself enough at fanfest. Resign. You played a major role in locking the community out of PC, laundered money from eve into dust, and have the gall to "permit" the community to play in PC with out any interferece from you. Resign. You were appointed by CCP, and rejected by the players. Resign. You don't represent us, and i think its horrible that CCP think you do. Resign.
I do have hopes in legion a new project; but if you are a part of developing it as a stayover from the OLD project. well i, and many others, may be forced to reconsider. Resign.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Smoky Fingers
Red Star. EoN.
397
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:07:00 -
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Oops . Sorry, bumped wrong thread. Good read tho..
R.I.P. CPM Nova Knife
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2659
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Posted - 2014.06.06 06:44:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Oops . Sorry, bumped wrong thread. Good read tho..
If you want to convince people you accidentally bumped the wrong thread with your reply, be sure to post it, and then edit it. The lack of an edited tag is a sure sign you're a troll. ;)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
3353
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Posted - 2014.06.06 07:42:00 -
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Actually for future reference it's quite possible to edit a post seconds after posting it and not trigger the edited designation.
Edit: I can take a video if you wish.
CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1
Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14129
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Posted - 2014.06.06 08:20:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Actually for future reference it's quite possible to edit a post seconds after posting it and not trigger the edited designation.
Edit: I can take a video if you wish.
This is true.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2661
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Posted - 2014.06.06 13:25:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Actually for future reference it's quite possible to edit a post seconds after posting it and not trigger the edited designation.
Edit: I can take a video if you wish.
I'll take your word for it. Even the forums have exploits, I guess. :/
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Smoky Fingers
Red Star. EoN.
398
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:25:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote:Oops . Sorry, bumped wrong thread. Good read tho.. If you want to convince people you accidentally bumped the wrong thread with your reply, be sure to post it, and then edit it. The lack of an edited tag is a sure sign you're a troll. ;)
i already knew. Im not that stupid sheeesh.
R.I.P. CPM Nova Knife
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