Snark.

If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".

However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.

The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.

I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.

I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.

Just saying.

(Shots fired?)

I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.

Snark.

If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".

However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.

The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.

I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.

I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.

Just saying.

(Shots fired?)

Are these "personal issues"?
Seems to me like we should know who the people representing us are.

Snark.

If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".

However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.

The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.

I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.

I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.

Just saying.

(Shots fired?)

Cool CPM fight brahs, I too wish to make accusations without being able to back them up with evidence because of an NDA. Does anyone have an NDA I can sign so that I might do so?

So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.

More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.

Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once.

We need the news that Dust 514 will be shut down, and all focus is on getting us into EVE: Legion pre-alpha before the end of the summer. Everything will turn out to be one of the biggest PR failures in the gaming industry otherwise.

I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.

I'm surprised it hasn't been plastered all over the forums yet.. According to Dust IRC they are pulling the plug in November.

And I thought I was the forum troll.

So that's three CPMs down, now, if what I am reading is correct.

More importanntly than anything right now is how bad of a blow this is to the community. CPM0 wasn't even supposed to be in play this long and I think its starting to take its toll on the community, the CPM, and CCP. More than anything, we need good news right now and none of what has transpired since Fanfest is that.

Suppose its true in that it gets worse before it gets better but I really think we all need to focus on something positive for once.

I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.

Good news? Well... there are around 7 or so CPM1 candidates who seem to respect each other and are able to carry on intelligent debates without personalities getting in the way.Now if we could only get them elected...

Much snap.

Yea wait until some of them have to be around each other week after week butting heads... They will fight like brothers & sisters after to long. Honeymoons don't last forever

Lol sorry Fox I just had to poke

Snark.

If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".

However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.

The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.

I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.

I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.

Just saying.

(Shots fired?)