DUST Search - Moving Forward: A shift in focus for this CPM Councilor

Cat Merc wrote:

Nova Knife wrote:

Snark.

If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months".

However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However.

The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group.

I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past.

I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good.

Just saying.

(Shots fired?)

OH SNAP

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Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3529	Posted - 2014.05.13 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote As some of you may be aware I am winding down my in-game activities for the time being in order to focus my efforts on RL. Now that said I will also take this opportunity to focus my efforts on finishing out my CPM0 term as well. As this time I have no plans to run for CPM1, but I have a few goals that I will continue to press for moving forward. First, I will continue to push CCP to be open with you all about future Dust 514 development. With recent discussions I feel that CCP is working actively towards this goal. I will be reserved in my expectations, but I feel that with the right direction CCP can improve not only the Dust experience but use that improved experience to the benefit of Project Legion as well. Even if the bandwidth avail to Dust has been decreased there is so much that can still be accomplished. Second, in order to bring clarity to the future I will continue working with the community on the #greenlightlegion campaign so that all of the players can have confidence that Duster experience in New Eden will have a future for many years and decades to come. This will also include working with CCP to retrospectively look at the Project Legion announcement, acknowledge the mistakes, and learn where to improve moving forward so that transparency, openness, and a strong relationship with the community can become a mantra that CCP lives by. Third, I will continue to advocate for the CPM1 elections to be held ASAP. In my opinion this was our primary mandate as CPM-and while the white papers were a great step in that direction I cannot and will not rest until you are able to cast your votes for your representatives. The Dust 514 community is here and deserves a voice and a chance to continue the process of building a working relationship with CCP and the community. Forth, I had some very important conversations with players like Aeon about the need for the ISD to have a presence in Dust and far into the future. These conversations turned into impromptu face-to-face discussions with CCP Rouge, CCP TIme Runner, and CCP Saberwing that then led to some positive movements in the Sunday summit meeting. I see many areas where ISD or ISD-like institutions can help be a force multiplier for both the community and for CCP. Players have been trying for years to establish an ISD presence in Dust and it's time that their dedication and hard work be taken seriously. I will do what I can to identify any barriers blocking this from moving forward and work with CCP to not only identify solutions but act boldly on those solutions moving forward. Last, I am committed to advocating for the preservation of Dust 514 players' financial and time investments into New Eden and will continue to press CCP to be open an honest about the transfer process moving forward with Project Legion. My personal feelings are that all aspects of our characters should be preserved as much as possible in a way that doesn't hinder Game Design in realizing the vision of Dust 514 through Project Legion. As part of this future vision I will also continue to advocate strongly that throughout the development process of Project Legion that CCP always consider a future on the PS4. One of the reasons I decided become CPM was that I fell in love with this community and I wanted to see it have an elected voice. What happened with Legion at FanFest broke my heart, but sticking my head in the sand or telling CCP to shove it does nothing but satisfy base desires for recompense. There is more work to do than ever for the CPM and that will be my focus. Please understand that actions in-game are just that and my task as a CPM councilor is something I approach as a real life task as David. Whether you love me or hate me in-game I will advocate for you as best I can and push forward to continue to make CPM 1 a reality and ensure that the Dust 514 community is heard. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14992	Posted - 2014.05.13 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote It was an honor and great experience working with you. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3532	Posted - 2014.05.13 16:06:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: It was an honor and great experience working with you. You as well. I only wish the community could truly understand the invaluable asset that you have been to the community through CPM as our secretary. 90% of what you have done will never be seen by the community, but I have seen your hard work and will do my best to honor what you have done for us all. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1812	Posted - 2014.05.13 16:42:00 - [4] - Quote Good luck with your real life endeavors mate. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1288	Posted - 2014.05.13 16:56:00 - [5] - Quote My conversations both Kane both digital and real have always been productive. RL should always be your main priority big I hope your still around for a while to come o7. CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1218	Posted - 2014.05.13 17:07:00 - [6] - Quote support the #greenlightlegion campaign! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161542 Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? twitter.com/dustreports
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 2430	Posted - 2014.05.13 18:24:00 - [7] - Quote Snark. If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months". However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However. The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group. I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past. I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good. Just saying. (Shots fired?)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2520	Posted - 2014.05.13 18:28:00 - [8] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: (Shots fired?) Shots fired confirmed. Dispatching police LAVs to intercept. (woop woop!) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9629	Posted - 2014.05.13 18:34:00 - [9] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Snark. If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months". However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However. The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group. I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past. I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good. Just saying. (Shots fired?) OH SNAP Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 653	Posted - 2014.05.13 18:36:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Nova Knife wrote: Snark. If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months". However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However. The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group. I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past. I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good. Just saying. (Shots fired?) OH SNAP Much snap. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2934	Posted - 2014.05.13 18:50:00 - [11] - Quote . CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2380	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:18:00 - [12] - Quote Just a reminder, this is the Council's Chamber, not the War Room. Please keep such rhetoric and chicanery over there. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2630	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:39:00 - [13] - Quote Wow. Just wow. This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
Militia Locus Grenade Militia BPO's 39	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:43:00 - [14] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Snark. If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months". However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However. The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group. I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past. I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good. Just saying. (Shots fired?) Really poor on your part to call him out publicly. That being said, well done. You confirmed what we all suspected. That Dave the CPM and Kane the player are the same person.
Trial Mix Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:46:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Snark. If you're taking a break or winding down, there's no need for some grandiose speech. People take breaks, Everyone on the CPM has had to take one at some point or another during these last "3 months". However, I cannot excuse the tone of this post, and I need to call Bull when I see it, whether it is from CCP or one of my fellow councilbros (and I expect them to do the same for me. This post is basically summed up as "Look at all the great **** that Kane is doing and wants to do" and makes it seem like he's the only one pushing for any of this or having any of these conversations. This post is a great summary of everything the entire CPM did at fanfest and are doing now, However. The CPM is a team sport. Self-serving, "champion of the people" acts are ill-suited for the position. The unfortunate truth is that the when the real truth is being hidden by the NDA, the only public truth is the one that is spoken. This makes posts like Kane's OP dangerous as it skews the and diminishes (intentionally or not) the efforts and actions of his fellow Councilbros by drawing singular attention to himself and tying these actions to himself, not the whole group. I wish I could echo IWS' sentiments, and while it is true that during Fanfest and Councilbro meetings everyone is blue.. The rest of the time, that is pretty much null and void. Kane is completely dependant on public attention (good or bad) and at best he could be described as a mindless parrot regurgitating the opinions of those he speaks to who are much more intelligent than he is... even if he doesn't fully understand those opinions. This has led to him rapidly changing position on key issues throughout the year, to the point where he even argues against his own points when one turns around and switches perspectives. Many people have accused him of being self-serving and using internal knowledge to benefit himself. These accusations are entirely false. (At least to my knowledge, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise) That being said, I would be lying if I said we as a council have not had to smack down some pretty selfish proposals in the past. I won't say he hasn't done good stuff as a councilbro, as working together we have all done some excellent stuff. But I will not sit by and let him try to sell himself as a hero of the people when he has been anything but. If he spent less time looking for gratification and trying to seem space-important, he'd be able to do a lot more good. Just saying. (Shots fired?) WAS CONVINCED ALL CPM WERE PUSSIES NOVA IS MY HERO NOVA FOR CPM1!
Kain Spero 3544	Posted - 2014.05.13 21:15:00 - [16] - Quote I'm sorry Nova that you took my post in that light. We can continue to discuss your personal issues with me in private. As far as I am concerned councilors are always blue with each other whether at FanFest or anywhere else. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1511	Posted - 2014.05.13 21:32:00 - [17] - Quote YES!!!! Cutting to the core in a way that only a Nova Knife can. I love it! "I've made a huge mistake." -G.O.B. Bluth
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1671	Posted - 2014.05.13 21:45:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I'm sorry Nova that you took my post in that light. We can continue to discuss your personal issues with me in private. As far as I am concerned councillors are always blue with each other whether at FanFest or anywhere else. Are these "personal issues"? Seems to me like we should know who the people representing us are. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 629	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:01:00 - [19] - Quote :: Slowly Backs Away :: How 'bout them Tanks?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2524	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:10:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: How 'bout them Tanks? Militarization of the police force is a huge concern in society today. Woop woop LAVs are more than enough equipment for the police to do their jobs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1672	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:21:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Militarization of the police force is a huge concern in society today. Woop woop LAVs are more than enough equipment for the police to do their jobs. Can I request that, should you be elected, you push for LAV variants, one of which being Woop Woop Lav's? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1289	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:47:00 - [22] - Quote Ok. I know I'm not privy to the internal politics of the CPM but that seemed overly harsh Nova and certainly not something that should be aired publicly without imternal dialogue. Maybe Kane should've run the wording past the rest of you first but I personally got no great sense of self-aggrandisement from the OP. Merely that someone was stepping down for personall reasons. Perhaps Kane merits the tongue lashing, maybe he doesn't. I've not worked with on a daily basis as you have Nova. But dragging the talk and tone of The War Room to The Council Chamber isn't really very seemly. Just my opinion you understand. CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1672	Posted - 2014.05.13 22:59:00 - [23] - Quote It pains me that I have to take the time to clarify a few things here, but such is necessary in cases like this. First and foremost I'd like to echo Nova in that Kane's original post is indeed an excellent summary of the focal points of the council's current work. That said, the message Kane delivered should have been delivered as a group statement, rather than a personal one, as it inappropriately carried the implication that Kane was somehow alone in advocating for such things. For this I take personal responsibility. As CPM0 Chair, I should have worked with the group and produced a statement along these lines earlier, instead of allowing one of the council members to take personal credit and warp the message (whether intentional or not). Secondly, regarding the claim that Kane's proposals were somehow selfish in nature, the same criticism could just as easily be leveled at me for advocating for Faction Warfare fixes given my history with that particular sub-community. The reality is that all proposals that are good for the game as a whole will align with personal interests of council members from time to time, and this both normal and perfectly acceptable. Lastly, while anyone (including Nova Knife) is entitled to an extremely cynical view of Kane's motivations, there was absolutely nothing constructive or respectful about lashing out at Kane publicly here, except for (ironically) to get an equal amount of kudos from gawkers who delight in controversy. We're all human of course, and under an immense amount of fatigue and stress. However, both the original statement and the subsequent response here represent poor judgement on behalf of the council as a whole, and for that I take full responsibility as well. I've spoken again to the group about the importance of teamwork especially during tough times, and I can only hope that prospective CPM1 candidates can learn from our mistakes and behave more professionally in the future.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 789	Posted - 2014.05.13 23:03:00 - [24] - Quote popcorn machine explodes RDV flies in a bigger popcorn machine Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
Appia Nappia 687	Posted - 2014.05.14 00:03:00 - [25] - Quote I enjoy watching many posts just disappear from this thread. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 790	Posted - 2014.05.14 00:15:00 - [26] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: I enjoy watching many posts just disappear from this thread. Was wondering why I ran out of popcorn, the RDV was supposed to bring more. Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.

CCP Blowout C C P C C P Alliance 343	Posted - 2014.05.14 06:09:00 - [27] - Quote And I thought I was the forum troll.

Tallen Ellecon 1923	Posted - 2014.05.14 06:33:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Blowout wrote: And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are?

CCP Blowout C C P C C P Alliance 343	Posted - 2014.05.14 06:34:00 - [29] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: CCP Blowout wrote: And I thought I was the forum troll. I don't even know what you are? I am the forum made conscious of itself. I am become death, the destroyer of threads.

SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 751	Posted - 2014.05.14 06:44:00 - [30] - Quote What I got out of this thread: 1. CPM0 were instrumental in pushing for things that needed pushing, and preventing many things that could have gone badly. 2. Kane is as narcissistic as I suspected 3. Nova was right to call him out, but wrong to do so publicly 4. Hans is still a cool dude and I would have his smooth-talking babies Dust/Eve transfers



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