lolwut

shooter on PC = welcome to cheaters

i dont care about PC players, they used to be in this crap

but i dont want play on my ps4 with cheaters on PC

Yeah we don't want PS4 players with built in aimbots in Legion.

Well don't get your hopes up CCP - Single Shard server.
There's a Bon Jovi joke somehwere here.

Better pray for port to ps4 )))

In this case, you're obviously mistaken temple ))

if you, sometime, will release the Legion on ps4

I mean dont do cross-platform gaming PC and ps4 in one room.

We want no cheaters when we play on our consoles. We left PC platform because there is cheaters (not so many of them, but everywhere) everywhere.

All PC's multiplayer games ruined by cheaters of any kind.

You already made big mistake with support mouse+keyboard and gamepads in one time. Dont make bigger mistake.

if it will cross-gaming with PC - i wont play this crap even on ps4

macroses, modded clients, cheaters - its pleasure only for PC players

That's no different from modded controllers and lag switchers that exist in console games. Take a look at CoD and Halo multiplayer and you'll see what I mean.

My point here is that there is no point in trying to demonize PC when the console is infected with cheaters also. They're not the same cheaters, but they are cheaters none the less.

Honestly I hate this animosity between the console crowd and the PC crowd. It's like looking at all the Apple users and Android users bickering over whose phone is the best. Seriously, enough is enough. I hate this whole PC-vs-Console conflict. It's just nothing more than reason for epeen strokers and neckbeards to beat their chests like gorillas.

Their main mistake was trying to go console in the first place.

Yeah, CCP too incompetent to make games on consoles (at least as shootermakers).

But concept of game was great, and sad to see how it died on ps3, and will die on PC.

In fact, on PC in this game will play EVE players only. Other people will choose games with better quality, as it was on ps3. They wont wait while CCP will transform crap to candy.

You console guys really take the cake. Once you learn to spell, then come discuss how or why a game might succeed or fail. Until then, it's like arguing macroeconomics with my five year old niece.

the grammar in this thread is ridiculous............

All of you will alfa and beta testers, and when project will ready - it will released on ps4 (or Xone). And its only way to success for CCP. PC as gaming platform almost dead.

But it will mistake if CCP will make crossgaming PC and console.

They didt balance mouse vs gampad in dust514. I dont believe they will make good balance platform vs platform. Plus problem of cheaters.

What we have in dust514:

1. total broken balance
2. broken netcode
3. blind devs, who dont see 1 and 2 at all

What you will have in Legion?

1. same devs

In total: lets talk about macroeconomic?

p.s. as you can see, all 1,2 and 3 dont depend by platform at all.

First, let me apologize for the spelling comment. I see you've posted that English isn't your native language. I'd like to say that you're doing better than I would in an alternate language.

Now, your logic though, has a long way to go.

As far as your points, only number 2 means anything. Not only that, but number 2 is, absolutely, platform dependent. So, yeah, I think that they can do better on PC than on the outdated PS3. Whether they actually do or not? Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Dude, you need to just quit.

PC gaming almost dead? Here: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ and that's just Steam.
Here's an article about where the money iscurrently coming from: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/

Gaming companies are in the business to make money. They will follow the money, which right now means more emphasis on PC and Mobile than consoles.

Here's the deal regarding the future, no one knows, but there's a reason that Microsoft went all "entertainment console" with the XBone. You want to know why? It's because the console market is currently being squeezed from both sides. If any market is about to implode, it's consoles as dedicated gaming platforms. You have mobile squeezing from the low cost, casual gamer side (the traditional console market BTW) and PC as ever squeezing from the "hardcore" more expensive side. This leaves consoles in the awkward middle with nowhere to go.

This is why you're seeing a resurgence in PC gaming now (at least those of us with PCs are) and a relative stagnation in the console market. The burn hasn't really hit the console market too bad yet, but give it a year or two. Every time you see some company port their game to Android or IPhone, you should be worried. That's your market being eroded in front of your eyes.

ps3 and x360 it is 140 millions units.
ps4 will more popular than ps3

Its fact - gaming companies have aim to consoles and PC is second target. Even Blizzard made console version of Diablo.

Battlefield 3 - consoles players (ps3+x360) was twice more than PC
battlefield 4 - almost x4 more players on consoles, just see current online players on http://bf4stats.com/

So yes, PC gaming has big problems now.

You need to take a step back and reevaluate your own arguments because your logic goes by numbers and if we go by numbers, consoles would be dead too because of the insane numbers of mobile devices like smart phones and tablets.

For current moment mobile devices is not competitor for consoles. Its different type of games, and different people.

For the moment, no, but considering how fast technology moves (look at Nvidia's Tegra K1 for example) it won't be long.

Realize that future generations are not going to play console games, they play on tablets.

if you, sometime, will release the Legion on ps4

I mean dont do cross-platform gaming PC and ps4 in one room.

We want no cheaters when we play on our consoles. We left PC platform because there is cheaters (not so many of them, but everywhere) everywhere.

All PC's multiplayer games ruined by cheaters of any kind.

You already made big mistake with support mouse+keyboard and gamepads in one time. Dont make bigger mistake.

ps3 and x360 it is 140 millions units.
ps4 will more popular than ps3

Its fact - gaming companies have aim to consoles and PC is second target. Even Blizzard made console version of Diablo.

Battlefield 3 - consoles players (ps3+x360) was twice more than PC
battlefield 4 - almost x4 more players on consoles, just see current online players on http://bf4stats.com/
Current online of bf4:
PC - 28,860
PS3 - 31,544
360 - 24,568
xbone - 21,671
ps4 - 43,685

So yes, PC gaming has big problems now.

PC vs Console debate needs to stop. Lets all try to collectively make the Legion sub forum a better place than the toxic vitriol that is Dust GD. Please...


To OP: This is simply not going to be able to happen without leaving PS4 out of a big portion of the game unfortunately. The overall goal of this game is to have cross-game play between Legion, Valkyrie, and EVE: Online. In order for this to happen, there can only be a single instance of any game connected to tranquility.

So if you want PS4 players to be separated from PC players, you are essentially asking for PS4 players to not be connected to tranquility. This will lock PS4 players from specialized game modes such as Planetary Conquest, Low-Sec open world gameplay, Null-Sec sovereignty battles, POS boarding, etc. As those assets are only available when the game can be connected to tranquility.

Sorry OP, what you want is just not going to be able to happen. You will be playing cross-platform.

Keep in mind though, the very nature of the game design will deter cheating quite a bit. No one will risk a perman on a toon they have invested a great amount of time and money into. We just need to find a way such that people can't create a million alts and play public matches with veteran players. Going to have to see what kind of solutions they can come up with to help prevent hacking on both a code and game design level.

As a PS4 player you will have some time before a PS4 client is released. I guess just see how bad it is a few months after the PC release and see what they have done about it.

Well, even Dust is server-side authority. This will combat a certain amount of cheating/hacking. There are, of course, plenty of other methods that work well and are industry standards.

Obviously a subscription cost would go a certain way in preventing the alt-spam, but I doubt that CCP wants to make Legion subscription based.

OP - basically says all pc players are cheaters and that pc`s are overflowing with cheaters... (He buys THAT brand of cool-aid)
I just got out of a game of dust today where someone clearly, clearly, had a modded controller with the scrambler rifle.

ok op.

Not all of PC players. But cheaters will ruin fair game. There will always doubts about good players.

And just lol about "modded controller", much more chances it was just mouse with macroses.

Macroses is not cheat of course?

Not all of PC players. But cheaters will ruin fair game. There will always doubts about good players.

And just lol about "modded controller", much more chances it was just mouse with macroses.

Macroses is not cheat of course?

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Almost any popular game have worst sales on PC. Interesting why?

It's probably because console peasants like you exist.

It's probably because console peasants like you exist.

insults is last argument?

Maybe because you are, probably, thief and prefer to use torrents instead fairly buying? Most of PC users do it, so confess, no one will blame you

Progress in Dust/Legion would be completely wiped when cheaters are inevitably caught.

Unlike meaningless frag fests like CoD/BF/Planetside 2, the progress a character makes in Dust/Legion takes substantial time. I doubt many serious players would risk throwing away all that time just to do well in a couple matches.

Because here is economic and ISK can be converted in real money - there will be enough smartasses who will risk.

Second accounts and etc.

Funny thing, console game piracy is actually quite common. Incredibly so.

Also worth mentioning is that if you develop for the PC you take a larger chunk of the revenue, especially on Steam. With consoles you have to pay for licensing fees and other such nonsense. So while the number of customers might be smaller on the PC, the profit earned might be much more comparable.

The flow of assets and ISK can be tracked, and RMT isn't doing well in New Eden with PLEX being available.

Also, the term is "dumbass", not "smartass".

Sales confirm your words. Yes. Absolutely.

Also neat is that you can sell older PC games relatively well, but selling older console games is... not as successful in most cases.

Sales don't mean much when it comes to piracy. Most pirates generally encourage buying a game if you like it. And they often do. Sometimes they don't, but when you like a game of course you'll want to support the developers. The people who don't usually buy things that they pirate, probably weren't going to buy it even if they couldn't pirate it.

They just dont visit this part of forum, because it is PC project.

1. I was referring to the state of PC gaming as a whole.
2. Releasing an old console game on a PC? I can't say I've heard many cases of that.

I came to the forums all the time when Dust 514 was in its console prime.

Wow, an accidental rhyme. Isn't that just sublime?

Well, there's one thing you really can't dispute.

The PC has the best exclusives ever.

I am not so long is console player, so have no arguments to argue.

But Jurassic Wars, Lord of the Realms 2, Heroes 2, Age of Wonders 2, quake 1 and 3, doom, descent - was greates games for that time.

I guess guys who played playstation 1 and 2 - can argue with you. I cant.

Among old games - PC is best. For modern games - situation changed.

I think it's kind of ironic. While you were off being a PC gamer, I was actually a console gamer. I've owned:
And now I'm not really a fan of consoles at all.
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Our roles have reversed, my dear Dalt Ud.

Cheaters exist in every game and system ever.